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Daniel Kanu - season long loan to Walsall (p21)
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Your gift was probably just a month, might have run out? Any articles from Richard will be emailed to you so you can just read them in your inbox, nice and simplejose said:I was gifted a sub stack and joined.
But trying to read the article was impossible because it said you needed a paid subscription.
Eh?
The sub stack world seems confusing and impossible for me to navigate, for example there was a piece about buying groceries in America.
Sorry Richard, I rate you but until access is simplified I won’t be reading you.1 -
Yes it was a month, which I got this week.fenaddick said:
Your gift was probably just a month, might have run out? Any articles from Richard will be emailed to you so you can just read them in your inbox, nice and simplejose said:I was gifted a sub stack and joined.
But trying to read the article was impossible because it said you needed a paid subscription.
Eh?
The sub stack world seems confusing and impossible for me to navigate, for example there was a piece about buying groceries in America.
Sorry Richard, I rate you but until access is simplified I won’t be reading you.
I have tried to use the gift but gave up, I was even sent a verification code, put the numbers in little circular windows, but then it asked for a paid subscription.
At that point I have given up, but the whole sub stack site looks to me like a hugely American focused ball of confusion.
I am the wrong generation for this sort of thing.0 -
Kanu is just one behind Cheek and three behind the divisional top scorer, with only thee players ahead of him.Addick Addict said:
In which case it's still a bit of a head scratcher as it why he remains do under the bookies' radar. Only BetVictor have re-priced their book but they have him now at 25/1 (1/4 odds 1-4). They have Cheek at 3/1.fenaddick said:
Yes it’s possible he comes back here but it’s unlikely. It’s what Walsall fans are concerned about after what happened with Stoke last yearAddick Addict said:I want him to see out the season because I think that it will do him so much good in the way it did Grant at Crawley (but also, selfishly, for the bets I've had on him).
Is there one scenario, though, where he could leave Walsall in January? One where at the turn of the year we are struggling to find the net and/or Godden and another striker is out injured and we feel we need him to become part of our match day squad. He also offers us something a bit different to the others we have on the books. Clarification re the possibility of that happening would be handy.
Cheek's record at that level is there for all to see. However, at the same stage, after Walsall's 9th league games last season Nathan Lowe had 2 goals whereas Cheek had 6 goals. Cheek would probably have been 3/1 again and Lowe probably 50/1 - Cheek finished with 25 goals whereas at the time Lowe left, following Walsall's game on 11th January, he had 15 goals in 22 games with Walsall still having another 22 matches to play.
There are a couple of advantages that Kanu has over Lowe too. Kanu is a year older and has more experience of playing and scoring goals whereas Lowe had just 2 league goals to his name when he arrived at Walsall last season.
Weight of money does also have a factor but the fact remains that Kanu is a single goal behind Cheek and is more than 8 times the price. If you had £20 at 3/1 on Cheek and £10 EW at 25/1 on Kanu, you will get almost as good a return for Kanu finishing 4th as you will for Cheek winning it. Betting is all about doing so at the right price and recognising when the traders have it wrong. They don't do it often and will rarely do so on a Premier League market because so much information is out there. The lower you go, the less they know. I have already been in twice at 50/1 but will wait to see what the others now offer once they've re-opened their books.2 -
I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that1
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If Kanu came back he’d probably compete with TC.Radostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Mbick comes back he’d be competing for the main striker spot.3 -
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 2
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What possible evidence could you have to say Leaburn would be the player in league 2? Awards are just peoples opinions, he had a few food games and got player of the month apart from that he was pretty average.NabySarr said:
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 2
He looked decent as a young man just coming in to the team but he has had some injuries which im sure dont help and he looks apprehensive now.0 -
Should be absolutely no chance of recalling either Kanu or Mbick just because they look good in League 2 bullying carthorse CBs that can't handle pace. Give them the whole season , let them score 15+ and see where they are at next season. I've still got faith in Miles working out , just needs to get a full season in without injuries.NabySarr said:
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 23 -
Well Kanu and Mbick are 2 of the best and I think Leaburn is still better than them. Don’t think that’s a controversial view at allRadostanradical said:
What possible evidence could you have to say Leaburn would be the player in league 2? Awards are just peoples opinions, he had a few food games and got player of the month apart from that he was pretty average.NabySarr said:
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 2
He looked decent as a young man just coming in to the team but he has had some injuries which im sure dont help and he looks apprehensive now.
Anytime Leaburn stayed fit and got a good run of games in league 1 he was pretty good. The problem was the constant injuries and then getting back up to speed. He's a good striker for that level and would be way too good for league 2
Even this season against Stevenage in the cup, Leaburn looked a level above and they are top 2 in league 12 -
Rumarn Burell scored 11 in L1 last season for burton last season, year before was playing Scottish League 1 which is probably equivalent of L2/NL and he’s currently on more goal contributions than Oloafe/Leaburn/Kelman/TC this year combined.Can’t rule out there is a chance Kanu and Mbick could offer more than what our current frontline offer and definitely have attributes that suit a Nathan Jones system0
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You’re leaning on the Stevenage game like it’s a thesis; it wasn’t — it was a highlight reel. Yes, Leaburn looked excellent that day and yes, he’s shown he can be a handful when fully fit. That’s the entire point: when fully fit. Availability is not a footnote in squad building — it’s the headline. A striker who can’t string together League One minutes is a luxury, not a solution.NabySarr said:
Well Kanu and Mbick are 2 of the best and I think Leaburn is still better than them. Don’t think that’s a controversial view at allRadostanradical said:
What possible evidence could you have to say Leaburn would be the player in league 2? Awards are just peoples opinions, he had a few food games and got player of the month apart from that he was pretty average.NabySarr said:
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 2
He looked decent as a young man just coming in to the team but he has had some injuries which im sure dont help and he looks apprehensive now.
Anytime Leaburn stayed fit and got a good run of games in league 1 he was pretty good. The problem was the constant injuries and then getting back up to speed. He's a good striker for that level and would be way too good for league 2
Even this season against Stevenage in the cup, Leaburn looked a level above and they are top 2 in league 1You admit the injury problem yourself. That’s not an aesthetic criticism, it’s a practical one. Managers don’t pick players for Instagram moments; they pick them for 90 minutes on Tuesday and Saturday. Kanu and Mbick have offered sustained minutes, loan returns and goal contributions that managers can plan around.Finally, claiming “he’d be way too good for League Two” is cute but speculative.0 -
Suspect he'll be back in Jan if this interview with the Walsall boss is anything to go by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cwygnp6zwwpt
Kanu has 5 in 5 and scored a belter on Saturday2 -
The edge that Kanu and Mbick have over Leaburn is they are both practising scoring goals and Leaburn is practising missing chances.MarcusH26 said:
Should be absolutely no chance of recalling either Kanu or Mbick just because they look good in League 2 bullying carthorse CBs that can't handle pace. Give them the whole season , let them score 15+ and see where they are at next season. I've still got faith in Miles working out , just needs to get a full season in without injuries.NabySarr said:
We know how shit league 1 is, imagine how shit league 2 is. Both Kanu and Mbick should be left exactly where they areRadostanradical said:I said last year he was ahead of Leaburn and I still stand by that
If Leaburn was in league 2 he’d be the best striker in the league by far. He was in league 1 at one point for a short period last season when he hit form and won player of the month. Kanu has never shown that level of performance even in league 2. The championship is just way way tougher than both league 1 and league 20 -
In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.10
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Would he sit on the bench though? With Godden and Kelman out we don’t have someone like them on the squad, I’d bring him back at the beginning of January to assess how he does in those few games then injury dependent loan him to a L1 side that are fighting for playoffshoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.0 -
It seems like we need him now, but if he comes back in Jan, when Godden & Kelman are probably going to be back, then he's not going to play.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.0 -
Leave him where he is and let him continue to develop.
We will reap the benefits in the long run.10 -
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.Chunes said:
It seems like we need him now, but if he comes back in Jan, when Godden & Kelman are probably going to be back, then he's not going to play.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.
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Two hands in the bush and you're questioning whether there is a reason your new partner is so accommodating.2
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didnt watcha lot of games last year. What was kanu like for us in league one?
Altho regardless, sometimes young players just need a run of games in the football league to get the spark going0 -
It’s so tempting to bring a player back, that has been scoring goals for fun.
However, it’s 2 levels below us currently.
If Dan did come back, and didn’t hit the ground running scoring, then people will say he’s not yet ready for this level, he should have stayed out on loan, learning his trade.
Let him get a promotion under his belt, rather than a relegation struggle.
Would prefer us to sign someone with experience of this division in January, or above, to keep us in this division.3 -
I don't think he can play for anyone else. The only option would be to return him to WalsallAberystwythAddick said:
Would he sit on the bench though? With Godden and Kelman out we don’t have someone like them on the squad, I’d bring him back at the beginning of January to assess how he does in those few games then injury dependent loan him to a L1 side that are fighting for playoffshoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.3 -
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Get a striker on loan in January and leave Kanu where he is IMO.
No good bringing him back to play two levels above where he is now, with no guarantee that he will start games. Could totally wipe out the progress he's making and his confidence.4 -
As Fen has mentioned in the past, the difficulty with doing that, is Walsall will understandably look for a replacement for Kanu themselves - If we recall him in January solely to use him for a few weeks, and then Walsall don't want him back, because they've got a replacement... It could hinder Kanu's development.SantaClaus said:
I don't think he can play for anyone else. The only option would be to return him to WalsallAberystwythAddick said:
Would he sit on the bench though? With Godden and Kelman out we don’t have someone like them on the squad, I’d bring him back at the beginning of January to assess how he does in those few games then injury dependent loan him to a L1 side that are fighting for playoffshoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.
The rules are stupid, only allowing a player to represent two clubs in a season, I think if its a case like us, where we'd need to recall him temporarily because of injuries (I mean we've got evidence given Kelman and Godden's absense) then he should be allowed to play for a third club if need be... If its a repeat of say; Chelsea playing Gallagher themselves, giving him to us, and then recalling him, simply so he can play for a "better" team, then that is a piss take0 -
My head says Kanu should stay on loan at Walsall. My heart says Kanu should stay on loan at Walsall. My pocket says there's absolutely no reason to bring Kanu back and that outweighs all other considerations.
In reality, we probably aren't in a position to judge right now. We have another six weeks to weigh up on whether Kelman will be fit next week as intimated elsewhere and whether he that will help our situation and also whether Godden becomes available. We don't have to make that decision on 1st January but if it transpires that Kelman and Godden aren't going to help us then short of signing someone who we can rely on to do that job (which isn't going to be easy) then, sadly, we probably have to recall him.2 -
Yep. One EFL Cup game means he can only come back home, when a League One loan for the second half of the season would have been ideal. Same issue for Micah. Feels like a mistake playing them both in that game and limiting our/their options to progress more.SantaClaus said:
I don't think he can play for anyone else. The only option would be to return him to WalsallAberystwythAddick said:
Would he sit on the bench though? With Godden and Kelman out we don’t have someone like them on the squad, I’d bring him back at the beginning of January to assess how he does in those few games then injury dependent loan him to a L1 side that are fighting for playoffshoof_it_up_to_benty said:In terms of his development he's better to stay where he is. Bringing him back to sit on the bench would be a mistake.1 -
The point of recalling him, is that he would be someone who can return to us on the 2nd January and fit straight into the squad, whereas a new loan signing striker might not happen until later in the month, and might struggle to fit in initially.
If he helps us win at Blackburn on the 4th January, that could be crucial for our season.0 -
NJ's comments suggest to me Kelman will be back before January, at that point it's best to just leave Kanu where he is5
https://youtu.be/T7YlKe09kf4?si=30Y6-vW3JgbUkUaC
