Daniel Kanu - season long loan to Walsall (p21)
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We are looking after (Kanu) well and they are very, very pleased with how we are looking after him.
We give everything to loan players when they come to the club and we are a good destination for them.
We’ve got a great relationship with Charlton - everyone is doing their best by their football clubs and we’ll continue to the best by ours.
Mat Sadler after yesterday’s game v Shrewsbury7 -
Bring him back . I know it’s a higher level but just one or two goals could make all the difference to us staying up . He’s high on confidence and certainly knows where the net is better than Leaburn. No brainer0
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That was a seriously good goal from DK yesterday, not just the shot but the turn too.
Didn't know that he had that sort of strike in his armoury.
Looks like a player full of confidence to take a shot like that from where he was.4 -
You would be gambling on a player who has already been injured once this season after around 13-14 games (?) lasting out to the end of the season (20+ games) without getting injured again.fenaddick said:NJ's comments suggest to me Kelman will be back before January, at that point it's best to just leave Kanu where he is
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A fit and confident striker who is available will be as rare as rocket horse shit in the January transfer window and nearly all deals go to the last day so if it falls through we are stuffed . We have to recall DK . Leave M’Bick at Colchester .Addick_and_Chips said:Get a striker on loan in January and leave Kanu where he is IMO.
No good bringing him back to play two levels above where he is now, with no guarantee that he will start games. Could totally wipe out the progress he's making and his confidence.0 -
Bring them both back and play two strikersBedsaddick said:
A fit and confident striker who is available will be as rare as rocket horse shit in the January transfer window and nearly all deals go to the last day so if it falls through we are stuffed . We have to recall DK . Leave M’Bick at Colchester .Addick_and_Chips said:Get a striker on loan in January and leave Kanu where he is IMO.
No good bringing him back to play two levels above where he is now, with no guarantee that he will start games. Could totally wipe out the progress he's making and his confidence.0 -
Perhaps we will look at the Chelsea guy again …0
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Last season, Walsall had Nathan Lowe on loan from Stoke.
He was doing incredibly well, scoring 15 in 22 league appearances - better than Kanu (9 in 16 so far).
In January, Stoke looked a bit shaky and needed goals. They felt they had to bring Lowe back because “at least he knew where the net was”.
Lowe actually did grab a goal for Stoke in first game back for them, in a draw at West Brom. Afterwards though, he went on a run of multiple games (10 apps total) without scoring and was back in their U21 team before the end of the season when he was on track for 30 goals season in League Two.10 -
The argument is if neither kelman or godden get fit then we need another option other than miles1
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Leave him there Kelman back in the next 7 to 10 days so what’s the point of bringing him back to sit on the bench behind Oloafe and Leaburn2
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He was pretty good alongside May in Jones' first season with an absolute dog of a team behind him. Pressed everything and made life difficult for defenders. He didn't play much at the start of the next season then started alongside Godden against Birmingham at The Valley and was superb in a win. It felt like those two were going to be the new partnership, and he immediately got injured. Couldn't find his way back after that and by the end of the season Mbick was preferred ahead of him off the bench. I think if he'd not got injured when he did he might have had a more successful season2121 said:didnt watcha lot of games last year. What was kanu like for us in league one?
Altho regardless, sometimes young players just need a run of games in the football league to get the spark going5 -
The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
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If either get called back, they could end up spending most of the second half of the season sitting on the bench.Dazzler21 said:The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
But 1 goal from either of them could result in valuable points that resulted in us staying up.
A lot depends on the progress of Kelman and Godden.
Could possibly see one of them being recalled as cover.0 -
Leaburn was better than Kanu in league 1. Maybe this spell has improved Kanu a lot but I doubt he’s now championship level. I guess confidence is good so it might make sense but I think we should be looking at signing a striker on loan rather than calling one back. Which then doesn’t block the pathway for Mbick and Kanu to come into the squad in the summer if they impress in pre-season
The player I’d be considering calling back is Asiimwe. We are desperately short at wing back and he can play both sides8 -
You've saved me a lengthy post.Dazzler21 said:The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
This is bang on the money.
What would happen if Godden & Kelman break down (or T Campbell & Leaburn) and we get relegated whilst Kanu & Mbick both score more than 20 on loan?2 -
Recalls make sense but we have only part of the picture
We don't know who, if anyone, is lined up for us to sign or loan in January.
I suspect we have eyes, if not done deals, on players we need to strenghten.
Meanwhile, we have five key players (not including Onel) out injured and vague timelines for their return.
So there are a lot of variables.
My guess is that we'll recall DK and NA and maybe MB early January and re-assess over the month and if, big if, we sign the players we want and the injured return they will be returned to their loan clubs
If we don't make those signings, the walking wounded don't return or if DK etc impress then some or all will stay.
Interesting times.4 -
I am not convinced that Kanu would make any sort of difference in the Championship this year as he was pretty ineffective in league 1 the last two years. The best thing for him would be to continue to develop on loan. That being said, if we don’t bring a new striker in during the January window, we have two strikers coming off injury and Miles who has a significant injury history, we may need to recall him2
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From what Jones has hinted at, Kelman is really close, and if so, I think that takes the pressure off getting Kanu back
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The only issue with that is usually the recall clause has to be activated in the first 2 weeks of the window. That’s the standard practice as it then allows Walsall to find a replacement themselves. If we recall him, it will be early in the window as past a certain date it’s likely we won’t be able toDazzler21 said:The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
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Have you seen the loan agreement and the recall clause?NabySarr said:
The only issue with that is usually the recall clause has to be activated in the first 2 weeks of the window. That’s the standard practice as it then allows Walsall to find a replacement themselves. If we recall him, it will be early in the window as past a certain date it’s likely we won’t be able toDazzler21 said:The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
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No, but most loans work this way so I can’t see why this would be any differentOff_it said:
Have you seen the loan agreement and the recall clause?NabySarr said:
The only issue with that is usually the recall clause has to be activated in the first 2 weeks of the window. That’s the standard practice as it then allows Walsall to find a replacement themselves. If we recall him, it will be early in the window as past a certain date it’s likely we won’t be able toDazzler21 said:The decision on whether to recall Kanu or Mbick in January is anything but straightforward.
If Kelman or Godden suffer a setback and Kanu’s still at Walsall, we risk leaving ourselves short-handed. On the flip side, if we can’t recruit someone at least at Kanu’s level and still leave him out on loan, we’ve effectively wasted a signing and lost a viable back-up option.
Recall him too early, though, and we could stall a loan spell that’s actually doing him good, yet he might end up being more important to us than expected.
It’s a proper headache for Jones to untangle.
Personally, I’d be lining up an honest conversation with Kanu, with the expectation that he could be recalled towards the end of January if needed. It’s a tricky message to sell as it risks sounding like “we’ll come back to you if we can’t find anyone better”, but the reality is also that any recall would be about squad needs, not undermining his development.
The same goes for Mbick. I genuinely don't think we've had two promising strikers of their levels coming through at the same time in a very long time.
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Agreed.Henry Irving said:Recalls make sense but we have only part of the picture
We don't know who, if anyone, is lined up for us to sign or loan in January.
I suspect we have eyes, if not done deals, on players we need to strenghten.
Meanwhile, we have five key players (not including Onel) out injured and vague timelines for their return.
So there are a lot of variables.
My guess is that we'll recall DK and NA and maybe MB early January and re-assess over the month and if, big if, we sign the players we want and the injured return they will be returned to their loan clubs
If we don't make those signings, the walking wounded don't return or if DK etc impress then some or all will stay.
Interesting times.0 -
So was Godden at the end of September.Rothko said:From what Jones has hinted at, Kelman is really close, and if so, I think that takes the pressure off getting Kanu back
The last time we were relegated it was most likely because we kind of had a Charlton player available/not available who would quite likely have scored the goal or two needed.
I hope we don't let history repeat itself so soon.1 -
Just saw his finish from Saturday. Wow, absolutely the kind of killer instinct we’re missing. Let him keep scoring for the rest of the season and have him firing on all cylinders for next season.1
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I dont think we recall both and tbh id be more inclined to call back DK.1
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He’s done brilliant much better than I anticipated keep going DK
and that was a crisp finish when previously I’ve always felt he didn’t have a proper ping strike on him0
