Also the hilarious "I've been on an oncology ward" comment thrown in to give some pretence of being a medical professional but not actually saying why he was there or for how long.
But he could read the inner thoughts of all the other patients.
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
That's YOUR logic. Not mine. If you care to read what people actually write you may be able to spare everyone the repeat of comments you have already made again and again.
I've read what you said and desperately tried to make sense of it - I finally thought I'd understood it but I haven't. Perhaps only people who have faith understand you.
She hangs around Manor House Gardens and scrounges from park goers and terrifies all the creatures there from great big huskies being walked, to all the other dogs, squirrels, pigeons, moorhens, mallard, tufted ducks, coots and Canada Geese. The creatures she is at peace with are the swans, herons, and humans…plus the visiting cormorant.
She hangs around Manor House Gardens and scrounges from park goers and terrifies all the creatures there from great big huskies being walked, to all the other dogs, squirrels, pigeons, moorhens, mallard, tufted ducks, coots and Canada Geese. The creatures she is at peace with are the swans, herons, and humans…plus the visiting cormorant.
Awwww Sadie 😻 I read a Twitter thread yesterday that started after someone put a photo up of a cat in their bath………they don’t own a cat 😳 What followed were loads of photos of people where a cat has just rocked up to their home & never left. These are my people. Zouma can get in the sea & take all of WHU with him!!!!!
She hangs around Manor House Gardens and scrounges from park goers and terrifies all the creatures there from great big huskies being walked, to all the other dogs, squirrels, pigeons, moorhens, mallard, tufted ducks, coots and Canada Geese. The creatures she is at peace with are the swans, herons, and humans…plus the visiting cormorant.
That’s a terrific cat, grew up with a tabby who was 20 when he died, brings back fond memories but also makes think again Zouma wtf was you doing and how on earth.
She hangs around Manor House Gardens and scrounges from park goers and terrifies all the creatures there from great big huskies being walked, to all the other dogs, squirrels, pigeons, moorhens, mallard, tufted ducks, coots and Canada Geese. The creatures she is at peace with are the swans, herons, and humans…plus the visiting cormorant.
taken just before you dropped kicked it into the river whilst shouting "have some of that you furry tosser!"
Henry Irving - don’t feed the troll. A few months ago when he was posting some racist things on here, I thought he was just some extremist crazy. I took the bait and debated what he was saying. His posts have gotten even more bizarre to the point it is almost a caricature of the far right. I am really beginning to think he is just here to wind up people so can we just ignore him.
Exactly. There's nothing to be gained by engaging with overt trolls like that, they take pleasure in seeing a response to their post and there's nothing you can say to win them round because they're just saying controversial stuff to get a reaction, they don't actually care. Just ignore and then they'll either ramp it up into more extreme territory that gets them banned or they'll go away. Easy
It’s the religious fanaticism being interspersed with pictures of cats and the occasional reference to Kurt Zouma which is why I find this website one of the best out there
Thanks, not seen his racist posts but it fits the profile.
You are both correct and I won't be engaging with him anymore.
A religious nut job who is a fascist (anti-anti-fascist), who hates communism/socialism because presumably the only utopian ideal is heaven (religion is of course, in the words of Marx, 'the opium of the people') and who claims woke'ism is an evil religion but bites back when his beliefs of some big bloke in the sky (lmfao) are questioned - surely if he is against woke then he must accept everyone's right to call him out as the twisted twat that he is. Turn the other cheek? - my arse!
To be honest, the only reason I've engaged him was to try and bait him into lashing out against the naysayers of his warped version of reality - woke is bad as long as it protects both evil and fantasy beliefs. He took the bait hook, line and sinker.
Mission accomplished - I also will not waste my breath (or fingers) on him anymore.
Henry Irving - don’t feed the troll. A few months ago when he was posting some racist things on here, I thought he was just some extremist crazy. I took the bait and debated what he was saying. His posts have gotten even more bizarre to the point it is almost a caricature of the far right. I am really beginning to think he is just here to wind up people so can we just ignore him.
BA:
Firstly I am a Charlton fan of many years, hence I take a great interest in my club in person, online etc Secondly, as stated in previous thread, this is the ONLY forum that I read/contribute to (there really aren't enough hours in the day to go beyond this). So to be called a "troll" ~ which would suggest someone whose whole raison d'etre is to go on endless forums and create drama/conflict for the sake of it ~ is simply not true. Thirdly, I have not posted "racist things" here on the one forum I have ever contributed to, or held such views in my day to day life.
I will leave you with your very misleading character assassinations.
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
I don't post serious stuff anywhere on social media and this forum and linked in are where my interest and involvement in social media begin and end, but I can’t sit on my hands and let your posts go unchallenged.
You can’t separate faith from religion and then separate people with faith from people who did bad things in the name of faith. Man has corrupted and adjusted faith and religion since time immemorial. It is without doubt the single biggest cause of violent death throughout the ages.
that aside, you reference Antifa, we are all or should be anti fascist, that would be a good thing, but as they are neither an organisation nor a movement your comments about the US are just ignorant. Most if not all the damage and looting was infiltration by the proud boys and other right wing extremists, who later tried to overturn the elections here. Ill advised and incorrect characterizations like this mimic the Trump messaging, which should be contrary to all right minded people. He is a racist, mysoginistic, egomaniacal sociopathic delusional narcissist, with a track record of adultery, fraud and very credible allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. This icon of virtue and faith protecting the white supremacists and racists while trying to demonize those who oppose such rabid hatred, lead to people like you wrongly attributing the “US burning”to “Antifa” - not a thing. I live here and we are stressed by the empowerment and rise of Trump supporting, anti democratic, racist, extreme right wing trying to overthrow democracy, removing women’s rights and taking us back to the bad old days you seem to so longingly crave. Nothing to do with woke, everything to do with violence.
This Orange Gonk had the full support and votes of the Evangelists (the extremists of faith/religion) in the US. Bash the Bible, shout about faith and support a man and a following that is the antithesis of the teachings of whatever god you profess to support/have faith in
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
I don't post serious stuff anywhere on social media and this forum and linked in are where my interest and involvement in social media begin and end, but I can’t sit on my hands and let your posts go unchallenged.
You can’t separate faith from religion and then separate people with faith from people who did bad things in the name of faith. Man has corrupted and adjusted faith and religion since time immemorial. It is without doubt the single biggest cause of violent death throughout the ages.
that aside, you reference Antifa, we are all or should be anti fascist, that would be a good thing, but as they are neither an organisation nor a movement your comments about the US are just ignorant. Most if not all the damage and looting was infiltration by the proud boys and other right wing extremists, who later tried to overturn the elections here. Ill advised and incorrect characterizations like this mimic the Trump messaging, which should be contrary to all right minded people. He is a racist, mysoginistic, egomaniacal sociopathic delusional narcissist, with a track record of adultery, fraud and very credible allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. This icon of virtue and faith protecting the white supremacists and racists while trying to demonize those who oppose such rabid hatred, lead to people like you wrongly attributing the “US burning”to “Antifa” - not a thing. I live here and we are stressed by the empowerment and rise of Trump supporting, anti democratic, racist, extreme right wing trying to overthrow democracy, removing women’s rights and taking us back to the bad old days you seem to so longingly crave. Nothing to do with woke, everything to do with violence.
This Orange Gonk had the full support and votes of the Evangelists (the extremists of faith/religion) in the US. Bash the Bible, shout about faith and support a man and a following that is the antithesis of the teachings of whatever god you profess to support/have faith in
RRNY:
I have no desire to take anyone "back to the bad old days" ~ Stalin, Mao & Hitler killed more people in the 20th C than all the people in all the wars in history combined. I really don't want to go back there. No, not at all.
I am committed to a bright future. And hope for this not just for my friends and family but for all people ~ yes. ~ even for woke people!
Let us just concede we have different (v different ) approaches to attaining this bright future ~ assuming atvl you want a bright future also.
Clearly. As long as we can all agree that people with faith can be evil, and therefore erase the whole point of this irrelevant discourse. Being with or without faith is irrelevant to kicking a cat or being “evil”, so your continued defence of “bits of your posts” and not all of your statements - most specifically the nonsense about the US when both the non existent Antifa and the very real and necessary US BLM movement are not “burning” anything down - is hard to justify. As for relying on the largest mass killers of the 20th century and world wars to obviate the self evident huge death count in the name of Religion/Faith and the untold misery and damage done to millions in its name, whether it’s women’s rights, contraception, child abuse or torture, it is hard for those of us who don’t need a crutch (or an excuse to be “good”), to listen to your pontifications on faith and the apparent failings of those of us who don’t need or want it. As the tale goes - pick the beam, mate, pick the beam, then you will see clearly to remove the mote from your brother’s eye
Happy to end this and definitely agree to disagree, particularly if the agreement makes you think twice about posting these diatribes, as surely there is a more suitable and welcoming outlet on the interweb for your views?
Clearly. As long as we can all agree that people with faith can be evil, and therefore erase the whole point of this irrelevant discourse. Being with or without faith is irrelevant to kicking a cat or being “evil”, so your continued defence of “bits of your posts” and not all of your statements - most specifically the nonsense about the US when both the non existent Antifa and the very real and necessary US BLM movement are not “burning” anything down - is hard to justify. As for relying on the largest mass killers of the 20th century and world wars to obviate the self evident huge death count in the name of Religion/Faith and the untold misery and damage done to millions in its name, whether it’s women’s rights, contraception, child abuse or torture, it is hard for those of us who don’t need a crutch (or an excuse to be “good”), to listen to your pontifications on faith and the apparent failings of those of us who don’t need or want it. As the tale goes - pick the beam, mate, pick the beam, then you will see clearly to remove the mote from your brother’s eye
Happy to end this and definitely agree to disagree, particularly if the agreement makes you think twice about posting these diatribes, as surely there is a more suitable and welcoming outlet on the interweb for your views?
RRNY:
I can certainly agree that fundamentalists, be it ones who hide under a religious banner or an anarchist flag are big trouble. For themselves and anyone forced to live under their influence. Neither group represent people of goodwill/people of genuine faith.
I believe we are at an exciting point in history. And we can either participate in the process fully or it will pass us by.
While the conversation many are having regarding race, gender, sexuality, etc are absolutely necessary and I am really glad these issues are 'on the table' as it were, if it is a conversation that excludes God and is merely a secular endeavour ~ it will be pointless in the long run and won't actually change the person (which is what this world desperately needs now ~ us all being open to changing fully) If it's just a one-sided leftist conversation it will merely place a different group (the one leftists hate the most of course) at the bottom to be pulverised just as women, ethnic minorities and the same sex attracted have been pulverised in the past ergo ~ man will not have changed a bit. Surely we can aim higher than this?
But if it is a worthwhile discussion then there is hope for us all. And who knows ~ even multimillionaire footballers may even begin to start respecting cats! Now THATS asking a lot!
Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
That Sir, is the most eloquent “f*** *f” I have ever read. I hope the target gets the message on behalf of us all.
Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
That Sir, is the most eloquent “f*** *f” I have ever read. I hope the target gets the message on behalf of us all.
I second this. One person is constantly spoiling it for the majority. It was suggested earlier that this one person should be banned and that is clearly not going to happen so can I suggest we all stop replying to this one individual and hope that will then discontinue his utter nonsense.
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But he could read the inner thoughts of all the other patients.
You have to laugh.
I'm sorry I don't understand.
Lovely.
The creatures she is at peace with are the swans, herons, and humans…plus the visiting cormorant.
I wonder if we get a choice of which God to give an account to?
I read a Twitter thread yesterday that started after someone put a photo up of a cat in their bath………they don’t own a cat 😳
What followed were loads of photos of people where a cat has just rocked up to their home & never left.
These are my people.
Zouma can get in the sea & take all of WHU with him!!!!!
Funny if god is a cat.
Thanks, not seen his racist posts but it fits the profile.
You are both correct and I won't be engaging with him anymore.
Firstly I am a Charlton fan of many years, hence I take a great interest in my club in person, online etc
Secondly, as stated in previous thread, this is the ONLY forum that I read/contribute to (there really aren't enough hours in the day to go beyond this). So to be called a "troll" ~ which would suggest someone whose whole raison d'etre is to go on endless forums and create drama/conflict for the sake of it ~ is simply not true.
Thirdly, I have not posted "racist things" here on the one forum I have ever contributed to, or held such views in my day to day life.
I will leave you with your very misleading character assassinations.
Would be amusing.
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You can’t separate faith from religion and then separate people with faith from people who did bad things in the name of faith. Man has corrupted and adjusted faith and religion since time immemorial. It is without doubt the single biggest cause of violent death throughout the ages.
that aside, you reference Antifa, we are all or should be anti fascist, that would be a good thing, but as they are neither an organisation nor a movement your comments about the US are just ignorant. Most if not all the damage and looting was infiltration by the proud boys and other right wing extremists, who later tried to overturn the elections here. Ill advised and incorrect characterizations like this mimic the Trump messaging, which should be contrary to all right minded people. He is a racist, mysoginistic, egomaniacal sociopathic delusional narcissist, with a track record of adultery, fraud and very credible allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. This icon of virtue and faith protecting the white supremacists and racists while trying to demonize those who oppose such rabid hatred, lead to people like you wrongly attributing the “US burning”to “Antifa” - not a thing. I live here and we are stressed by the empowerment and rise of Trump supporting, anti democratic, racist, extreme right wing trying to overthrow democracy, removing women’s rights and taking us back to the bad old days you seem to so longingly crave. Nothing to do with woke, everything to do with violence.
This Orange Gonk had the full support and votes of the Evangelists (the extremists of faith/religion) in the US. Bash the Bible, shout about faith and support a man and a following that is the antithesis of the teachings of whatever god you profess to support/have faith in
I have no desire to take anyone "back to the bad old days" ~ Stalin, Mao & Hitler killed more people in the 20th C than all the people in all the wars in history combined. I really don't want to go back there. No, not at all.
I am committed to a bright future. And hope for this not just for my friends and family but for all people ~ yes. ~ even for woke people!
Let us just concede we have different (v different ) approaches to attaining this bright future ~ assuming atvl you want a bright future also.
Happy to end this and definitely agree to disagree, particularly if the agreement makes you think twice about posting these diatribes, as surely there is a more suitable and welcoming outlet on the interweb for your views?
I can certainly agree that fundamentalists, be it ones who hide under a religious banner or an anarchist flag are big trouble. For themselves and anyone forced to live under their influence. Neither group represent people of goodwill/people of genuine faith.
I believe we are at an exciting point in history. And we can either participate in the process fully or it will pass us by.
While the conversation many are having regarding race, gender, sexuality, etc are absolutely necessary and I am really glad these issues are 'on the table' as it were, if it is a conversation that excludes God and is merely a secular endeavour ~ it will be pointless in the long run and won't actually change the person (which is what this world desperately needs now ~ us all being open to changing fully) If it's just a one-sided leftist conversation it will merely place a different group (the one leftists hate the most of course) at the bottom to be pulverised just as women, ethnic minorities and the same sex attracted have been pulverised in the past ergo ~ man will not have changed a bit. Surely we can aim higher than this?
But if it is a worthwhile discussion then there is hope for us all. And who knows ~ even multimillionaire footballers may even begin to start respecting cats! Now THATS asking a lot!
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.