Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
That Sir, is the most eloquent “f*** *f” I have ever read. I hope the target gets the message on behalf of us all.
I don't think you speak for all Charlton fans. We all love our club and support it through thick and thin. We have that much in common. Whether we disagree on non-footballing matters is something else.
Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
That Sir, is the most eloquent “f*** *f” I have ever read. I hope the target gets the message on behalf of us all.
I don't think you speak for all Charlton fans. We all love our club and support it through thick and thin. We have that much in common. Whether we disagree on non-footballing matters is something else.
And so back to the cat, zouma and Souey...
I think he speaks for everyone on CL. Take your religion and politics elsewhere. We don't want to hear it.
Sorry, your persistence in defending a nonsensical position is to be admired, albeit dull, and it has nothing to do with the OP and has no real place in this thread or for that matter, this forum - but you could I guess start a new thread headed - Faith, a Dystopian Future? The fact you refuse to say which “faith” or god to which you refer, for many of us who believe in science and in the ultimate good in people, the exclusion of a non existent being is not the measure of success for discussions of the day. Indeed the concepts you have clearly alluded to previously - anti antifa, women’s rights, same sex love, equality, your no comment on Trump and evangelists, the horrors inflicted on the world by the warped interpretation of fairy tails, “leftists” etc etc. - are disgusting and problematic to any forward movement and positive future. Your concept of an anti science “belief system” with the amount of intolerance leaking though your posts, having any part in such discussions is, put simply, abhorrent. Nobody wants an extreme right wing interpretation of any God or any book, and your diatribes lack any sense of love, understanding, turning cheeks or humility.
I find your position untenable, some of your statements really do highlight exactly what and who you are, from the drivel about antifa to your description of abortions, and that extremism is self evidently alive and well in heavily faith based countries such as Philippines and Turkey and since Trump, supported by the evangelical vote, the rise of anti democracy, racism and intolerance. These are not futures I want for my children and grandchildren.
We will never agree and I would refer you to your comment regarding trolling. You have regularly responded to posts disagreeing with your posts, increasingly revealing an inability to consider anything being said, starting with a post that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP. It is the very definition of trolling
We agreed to disagree, so let’s do that. I am not engaging further.
That Sir, is the most eloquent “f*** *f” I have ever read. I hope the target gets the message on behalf of us all.
I don't think you speak for all Charlton fans. We all love our club and support it through thick and thin. We have that much in common. Whether we disagree on non-footballing matters is something else.
“For me, looking at the video, the cat hadn’t done anything wrong”
Bizarre comment from Souness (unsurprising, he’s a twat) - would he have been ok with the video if the cat was blocking the tv or shat on the floor?
That's certainly a hot take. Misses the point entirely but there we go.
No he would not have been okay with it bit he's making the point that it wasn't Zouma losing his rag or having a bad day - he set out to do it because he thought it would be funny.
Abuse would never be the right response but there's a difference between a moment of madness and what Zouma did.
Rachel Johnson is the sister of Boris Johnson, and the environmentalist father she mentions said that the Irish would always shoot each other. I suppose if you’re related to liars and racists, you would suggest the world moves on from what you wish to describe as ‘one little mistake’, in order to establish a culture that would let your relatives off the hook.
Rachel Johnson is the sister of Boris Johnson, and the environmentalist father she mentions said that the Irish would always shoot each other. I suppose if you’re related to liars and racists, you would suggest the world moves on from what you wish to describe as ‘one little mistake’, in order to establish a culture that would let your relatives off the hook.
Why do the worst type of people always end up in power?
It's funny, it's always these sorts of people who talk about 'cancelling' as if it's a real thing. They tend to often be the ones who talk about free speech and how people should be able to express themselves however they want. That's all that's happening with Zouma; people are disgusted by his actions and they're feeling very free to tell him that. Companies no longer want to work with him because he's bad for their brand and football fans, who get upset about haircuts and goal celebrations, are telling him what they think of him. He's still got his job, he's still free to earn £100,000 a week for many, many misguided kicks over 90 minutes, he just might have to hear people telling him what they think of his actions, which ws already happening to every footballer anyway. Those fans are free to express themselves as long as they're not crosing the line into illegal abusive territory. Cancelling is just like 'woke', a simple word that's been taken by old people and twisted into an emergency that doesn't exist.
"Misguided"????? The word you are looking for is cruel, or sadistic, or inhuman. If that is how he treats his pet, I wonder what his attitude to wildlife is.
I believe that in the USA 'Johnson' is slang for cock. I don't embrace everything that country does with the english language, but that one I'd say they've got bang on
Rachel Johnson is the sister of Boris Johnson, and the environmentalist father she mentions said that the Irish would always shoot each other. I suppose if you’re related to liars and racists, you would suggest the world moves on from what you wish to describe as ‘one little mistake’, in order to establish a culture that would let your relatives off the hook.
It's funny, it's always these sorts of people who talk about 'cancelling' as if it's a real thing. They tend to often be the ones who talk about free speech and how people should be able to express themselves however they want. That's all that's happening with Zouma; people are disgusted by his actions and they're feeling very free to tell him that. Companies no longer want to work with him because he's bad for their brand and football fans, who get upset about haircuts and goal celebrations, are telling him what they think of him. He's still got his job, he's still free to earn £100,000 a week for many, many misguided kicks over 90 minutes, he just might have to hear people telling him what they think of his actions, which ws already happening to every footballer anyway. Those fans are free to express themselves as long as they're not crosing the line into illegal abusive territory. Cancelling is just like 'woke', a simple word that's been taken by old people and twisted into an emergency that doesn't exist.
Seems like one or more Man Utd players don't agree with Greenwood being unavailable for selection even though he's still only out on police bail.
Can't imagine that's true. A lot of players are thick as shit but i can't really see how anyone would have the hump at the manager/club suspending a player on bail for rape, assault and threats to kill.
Would perhaps be more believable if he was their main man, top scorer etc, but it's not like they're doing shit because he isn't there.
It's funny, it's always these sorts of people who talk about 'cancelling' as if it's a real thing. They tend to often be the ones who talk about free speech and how people should be able to express themselves however they want. That's all that's happening with Zouma; people are disgusted by his actions and they're feeling very free to tell him that. Companies no longer want to work with him because he's bad for their brand and football fans, who get upset about haircuts and goal celebrations, are telling him what they think of him. He's still got his job, he's still free to earn £100,000 a week for many, many misguided kicks over 90 minutes, he just might have to hear people telling him what they think of his actions, which ws already happening to every footballer anyway. Those fans are free to express themselves as long as they're not crosing the line into illegal abusive territory. Cancelling is just like 'woke', a simple word that's been taken by old people and twisted into an emergency that doesn't exist.
It is and it does.
What examples make you feel like cancel culture is a real and serious thing? And why do you think it's an emergency?
I know a lot of people feel this way so curious to understand why a bit better.
I believe that in the USA 'Johnson' is slang for cock. I don't embrace everything that country does with the english language, but that one I'd say they've got bang on
Utter shithouse of the highest order, complete coward and a bully. Football will do what it does though, it will forgive, he won't get sacked because a club with a lower sense of morality will sign him up.
Begs the question "What are the rules in this post-Christian 21st Century morality?"
It seems noone really knows.
I like to think noone on these pages would ever do things the likes of Mendy, Zouma, Greenwood et al do/done/did. And seem to laugh at too.
But these things don't START with torturing animals, beating up and sexually assaulting young women.
These are outward behaviours (and probably regular behaviours too) reflecting their inner distorted thoughts that they believe are normal and acceptable.
We kid ourselves if we think by outlawing racist words from the terraces we have defeated hatred. If we prohibit the use of anti-LGBT expressions we have defeated hatred. And if we no longer condone any offensive terms towards women we suddenly create a loving ordered society where men and women can attain their highest most noble selves and we have relegated mysoginy to the history books.
It's utter rubbish. We merely eject those from the ground who openly reveal the contents of their hearts in song. What about the many people who also share their expressions but are "wise enough" to keep quiet? Aka "clever enough to go undetected". What therefore has changed?
We have merely reminded people there are things we are not allowed to say in public anymore. But that doesn't change anyone.
By all means do all these polite expressions and yes, courtesy is a dying art in this age but don't expect it to actually stop the Mendys, Zoumas, Greenwoods from causing absolute misery to others. (And to animals)
This new morality is not morality at all. It is a la carte Morality where we pick this issue and choose that moral issue but it isn't morality..It leaves plenty of room and acceptable room for people to be completely immoral. Evil in fact! And Mendy, Zouma and Greenwood have found that loophole in our fake new morality.
Post-Christian morality? When the Catholic Church has abused more young children than any other organisation on the planet.
Of course things are changing for the better, whilst some may keep their own evil agenda hidden, many others are coming round to a more progressive way of thinking, which can clearly be seen in almost all statistics relating to crime, violent or otherwise.
But that's just it. Your "progressive utopia" is neither bringing evil (greenwood, Mendy, Zouma) out into the light or keeping evil hidden.
While I agree great evils have taken place in Church organisations (the atheist media do all they can to highlight these evils of course too) it is not the teaching of Truth that is the cause but the failure to live by that Truth that is.
In our desperate attempt to bury Christianity for a post Christian society we haven't eradicated the evil of abuse (it's everywhere now!) but we have erased the teaching, the community of prayer and worship and the hope that these essential aspects of faith give to people.
Do me a favour. Christianity and its adherents have been responsible for more atrocities than every other religion combined over the centuries. Media by definition isn't 'atheist' - it's 'agnostic'. Exposure of the thousands of scandals globally affecting millions of people is not some 'atheist agenda', any more than reporting on climate change is a 'green agenda' or on abuse of womens' rights in Islamic states is 'an anti-Muslim agenda'. It's called 'reporting'.
Nice and convenient way for you to blame people for the ills of the world, rather than religion. "It's not the rules that are wrong, it's that people won't use them". How does that square with the numerous inconsistencies, atrocities and downright fucking meanness in the bible then? If this shit wasn't written down in a book somewhere for cretins to follow, they wouldn't have something to point to and say 'a magic man in the sky made me do it' - they'd have to justify their actions themselves. Might make it a bit harder, if they didn't have a 'sacred text' to hide behind, and thus more difficult to justify to the rest of the world...
All 'faith' ever gave to people was a reason to explain why their life was so shitty. It's *literally* why religion was invented - a convenient way to keep the masses compliant, and a set of guidelines to live by when they weren't educated enough to realise that eating raw meat could kill you.
I agree. With the sentiment of personal responsibility. 100% And not blaming others. That is all good and right. I also don't believe that people should hide behind an ideology or "sacred text" to justify evil. Just one look at the state of America burning at the hands of the animals of antifa all through 2020/21 was a perfect example of what can happen when people erroneously believe that by waving flags with "anti-hate" on them, they can er hate and destroy anyone with impunity.
You are absolutely correct in asserting that great evils have occurred throughout history by those "calling themselves" this religion or that religion. Terrible things in fact. This still doesn't mean that faith itself has to be derided and binned and "cancelled" from the public square. . It just means that some people, who probably never had it, committed terrible crimes in its name. The common denominator is ...people without faith and without putting it into practice do seriously evil stuff.
The one thing always missing in these exchanges, is the bit, and significant bit at that, that reveals the great many good things that come from faith.
I fear it's THAT that many people take the greatest umbrage with in reality. The good that comes from faith. Because one knows instinctively that they have rejected this good and tried inventing their own versions of good and bad. It cannot be done. And the disintegration of the once powerful West is testament to this in this woke age. It will end terribly for its adherents.
So by your logic any terrible atrocities committed in the name of religion were done by those who didn't really have faith and therefore it had nothing to do with the religion.
This is very reassuring. By this logic we can ignore goals the other teams scores because they were mistakes.
So we beat Bolton 0 - 1 on Tuesday and there must be a few other wins we weren't aware of this season.
We are going up!
I do hope you are feeling better soon. Simply applying the phrase "By this logic ..." Apropos nothing anyone has said, and then restating your non sequiters again and again do not follow logic or indeed any kind of coherent argument.
I get that you loathe people who have a faith. You have a free will. I get that you cannot find a single positive thing to say about faith. (I feel your pain) And I realise that the only way you can comfort yourself in your denial, is to unearth extreme stories of those who never had faith who have caused misery and suffering for others. That doesn't actually tell anyone anything about genuine people of faith that follow their faith and are transformed and transform those around them.
Surely you can acknowledge that a violent and wicked individual can infiltrate ANY group they wish and bring disgrace upon it? It doesn't require too much logic. Unsurprisingly for an atheist ~ is to THOSE individuals and ONLY those individuals you wish to refer as "people of faith". Surely you can do better.
"Comfort yourself in your denial"? LOL. Who needs comfort, those with confidence in the science and logic, or those governed by fear of the unknown and the finality of death? And hey, why not blame the historic atrocities of the church on "infiltrators"? That's a classic.
I've been on oncology wards and can tell you which blokes entered death with peace and which ones were absolutely terrified and realised they were about to give an account for their wasted faithless life
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Someone who lives in the real world. It was needed.
there’s always something
And so back to the cat, zouma and Souey...
Take your religion and politics elsewhere.
We don't want to hear it.
No he would not have been okay with it bit he's making the point that it wasn't Zouma losing his rag or having a bad day - he set out to do it because he thought it would be funny.
Abuse would never be the right response but there's a difference between a moment of madness and what Zouma did.
Time to move on?
I suppose if you’re related to liars and racists, you would suggest the world moves on from what you wish to describe as ‘one little mistake’, in order to establish a culture that would let your relatives off the hook.
Seems like one or more Man Utd players don't agree with Greenwood being unavailable for selection even though he's still only out on police bail.
The word you are looking for is cruel, or sadistic, or inhuman.
If that is how he treats his pet, I wonder what his attitude to wildlife is.
Would perhaps be more believable if he was their main man, top scorer etc, but it's not like they're doing shit because he isn't there.
I know a lot of people feel this way so curious to understand why a bit better.