All About Charlton - BBC Radio London tonight 7pm - exclusive interview with Thomas Sandgaard
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AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
Care to elaborate, please AFKA.0 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
Care to elaborate, please AFKA.2 -
ken_shabby said:CL_Phantom said:ken_shabby said:Saulc23 said:Personally I just think it’s bad timing for the interview. If we’d won the last 5 there would be none of the negativity.Im not sure I agree with all his points, but let’s try and treat it without having the current form at the forefront of the mind?
Do you have 8 million?
in my experience in business, it is much better to keep promises low, and try to overachieve, than promise the moon and fail utterly. I put last seasons promises down to over enthusiasm and a possible hope of other investors coming in which failse dto materialise. But I wasn't expecting to hear it again so quickly. That is just daft.
Stop hounding the man.
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At this point I should probably add a whoooosh disclaimer.1
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EveshamAddick said:Gribbo said:Henry Irving said:Covered End said:AFKABartram said:Personally I think people are being v harsh. If he was saying this with us in the play off position then people would probably be agreeing with him. There needs to be a long term shift change to make football clubs more financially viable.
Key thing for me is his enthusiasm and approach for next season seems high, talk of increasing budget further and at a competitive level for promotion, seems there’s a fair strategy think already in place for next year, that Jacko is clearly in plan for next season etc
Perhaps I misread it all
He said he/we have lost £8M this season.
He is going to increase the budget next season.
He wants to break even.
Where is the extra £8M+ coming from?
He seems as deluded as Roland to me, albeit a nice egotist.
I can't see how that fills the £8m gap on it's own but it does fit in with other rumours about expenditure to increase advertising revenue.2 -
player fees must surely be part of break-even in League 1, literally not possible otherwise0
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bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:balham red said:blackpool72 said:Absolute car crash of an interview.
Football is just common sense and I don't need football people telling me what to do.
My son knows lot's about football.
Don't need to spend money on an expensive CEO.
says the man who is aiming for Europe and finds himself 16th in league one.
Next season will be the same as this until he realises he can't do it without getting the right people to advise him.
This is just the latest thing that people want to lobby Thomas for, as he has acquiessed to almost all the fan demands so far.
So all those people that point to the lack of a CEO for being the reason we are shit at the moment, lets have a breakdown of what we would be wanting a full time CEO to do?
- Sack Tony Keohane
- Oversee recruitment
Anything else?
I can't think of a single club that does not have a CEO.
Sandgaard admits he knows very little about football yet is determined to run the club without a CEO or whatever to give him advice on a whole raft of things.
If he thinks that he can achieve what he wants to without proper guidance he is mistaken.
The role of a CEO in football is to run the operation, the commercial side of things, and perhaps get involved in contract negotiations (with lawyers) with player ins and outs. They are generally also the point of contact for the press. The CEO does not (or should not) get involved in the playing side.
But we don't have a CEO so all the things you are saying that a CEO does plus there is much more are not getting done are they.1 -
blackpool72 said:bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:balham red said:blackpool72 said:Absolute car crash of an interview.
Football is just common sense and I don't need football people telling me what to do.
My son knows lot's about football.
Don't need to spend money on an expensive CEO.
says the man who is aiming for Europe and finds himself 16th in league one.
Next season will be the same as this until he realises he can't do it without getting the right people to advise him.
This is just the latest thing that people want to lobby Thomas for, as he has acquiessed to almost all the fan demands so far.
So all those people that point to the lack of a CEO for being the reason we are shit at the moment, lets have a breakdown of what we would be wanting a full time CEO to do?
- Sack Tony Keohane
- Oversee recruitment
Anything else?
I can't think of a single club that does not have a CEO.
Sandgaard admits he knows very little about football yet is determined to run the club without a CEO or whatever to give him advice on a whole raft of things.
If he thinks that he can achieve what he wants to without proper guidance he is mistaken.
The role of a CEO in football is to run the operation, the commercial side of things, and perhaps get involved in contract negotiations (with lawyers) with player ins and outs. They are generally also the point of contact for the press. The CEO does not (or should not) get involved in the playing side.
But we don't have a CEO so all the things you are saying that a CEO does plus there is much more are not getting done are they.
Most of the angst against TS though is related to results on the pitch.3 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
Care to elaborate, please AFKA.The general consensus though is that he does a pretty good job and has a very good relationship with our chairman and management team.Personally I’m very happy with who we’ve got running our club at the moment. Could be a lot worse, and for that most of our fans are grateful.7 -
Love the U-turn some people have compared to a few years ago.
Making the comments that Roland apologists used to.
'He's bankrolling the club'
'It's his money he can do what he wants'
'He is rich so he must have a clue what he's doing'.
I understand some people are sick of having misguided owners, but if it walks like a duck....0 - Sponsored links:
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SELR_addicks said:Love the U-turn some people have compared to a few years ago.
Making the comments that Roland apologists used to.
'He's bankrolling the club'
'It's his money he can do what he wants'
'He is rich so he must have a clue what he's doing'.
I understand some people are sick of having misguided owners, but if it walks like a duck....
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bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:balham red said:blackpool72 said:Absolute car crash of an interview.
Football is just common sense and I don't need football people telling me what to do.
My son knows lot's about football.
Don't need to spend money on an expensive CEO.
says the man who is aiming for Europe and finds himself 16th in league one.
Next season will be the same as this until he realises he can't do it without getting the right people to advise him.
This is just the latest thing that people want to lobby Thomas for, as he has acquiessed to almost all the fan demands so far.
So all those people that point to the lack of a CEO for being the reason we are shit at the moment, lets have a breakdown of what we would be wanting a full time CEO to do?
- Sack Tony Keohane
- Oversee recruitment
Anything else?
I can't think of a single club that does not have a CEO.
Sandgaard admits he knows very little about football yet is determined to run the club without a CEO or whatever to give him advice on a whole raft of things.
If he thinks that he can achieve what he wants to without proper guidance he is mistaken.
The role of a CEO in football is to run the operation, the commercial side of things, and perhaps get involved in contract negotiations (with lawyers) with player ins and outs. They are generally also the point of contact for the press. The CEO does not (or should not) get involved in the playing side.
But we don't have a CEO so all the things you are saying that a CEO does plus there is much more are not getting done are they.
Most of the angst against TS though is related to results on the pitch.Essentially TS probably feels very let down by the playing side given the investment in contracts / fees. His lesson learnt will probably be not moving out Adkins sooner and was potentially a hard thing for him to do until he had to do it. JJ could be the victim of that football lesson early next season.Unless there are genuine reasons to believe players are being forced upon JJ and in some way he can’t operate as he reasonably wants to it’s just a very bad season.1 -
AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
A very vocal minorty of the chests out brigade will always have issues with things that go against their world-view and set in stone 'ways', but the vast maority appreciate the job he does.
A bit like you lot with Tony Keohane4 -
Somebody is going to need to spell it out for me what makes TS and RD so similar.
Because in the case of TS, I see someone who has put very decent money into the playing squad and tried his best to build a connection with fans. Whereas, with RD, we had someone who wanted to bring in network players and managers through a revolving door whilst being universally despised to the point we had to protest before, during and after games.
If the only link people can find is “he likes to do things his own way”, then that’s pretty tenuous.6 -
Big_Bad_World said:AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
A very vocal minorty of the chests out brigade will always have issues with things that go against their world-view and set in stone 'ways', but the vast maority appreciate the job he does.
A bit like you lot with Tony Keohane1 -
bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:bobmunro said:blackpool72 said:balham red said:blackpool72 said:Absolute car crash of an interview.
Football is just common sense and I don't need football people telling me what to do.
My son knows lot's about football.
Don't need to spend money on an expensive CEO.
says the man who is aiming for Europe and finds himself 16th in league one.
Next season will be the same as this until he realises he can't do it without getting the right people to advise him.
This is just the latest thing that people want to lobby Thomas for, as he has acquiessed to almost all the fan demands so far.
So all those people that point to the lack of a CEO for being the reason we are shit at the moment, lets have a breakdown of what we would be wanting a full time CEO to do?
- Sack Tony Keohane
- Oversee recruitment
Anything else?
I can't think of a single club that does not have a CEO.
Sandgaard admits he knows very little about football yet is determined to run the club without a CEO or whatever to give him advice on a whole raft of things.
If he thinks that he can achieve what he wants to without proper guidance he is mistaken.
The role of a CEO in football is to run the operation, the commercial side of things, and perhaps get involved in contract negotiations (with lawyers) with player ins and outs. They are generally also the point of contact for the press. The CEO does not (or should not) get involved in the playing side.
But we don't have a CEO so all the things you are saying that a CEO does plus there is much more are not getting done are they.
Most of the angst against TS though is related to results on the pitch.0 -
Hey, Thomas. I took the liberdy of writing a recruitment ad for your 'Fill The Valley' campaign. It may look a liddle familiar.
Maybe I can work with Marden or any other trusted remaining member of staff?The Charlton mission is to improve the life-quality of fans suffering from debilitating pain. We are seeking: Self-confident, self-starting, resourceful, assertive, and persuasive individuals who will promote the on-field product and generate Stadium revenue from the matchday experience. You must be able to build loyalty with potential new fans developing your soccer-football-based stream of business. Able to demonstrate influencing and sales skills, and you must possess the drive and discipline to accomplish goals on a weekly basis. Previous sales experience is a plus, but you may qualify based on a strong desire to be the best. Requirements: Must have reliable transportation, valid driver’s license, and mobile phone. We offer training, a generous base salary, uncapped commissions, benefits, with a Club shop discount sign-on bonus, pizza Friday and management support for your success.
Territory: The World, baby.
If you are ready to join a professional team dedicated to helping fans every day, please submit your resume. Listed on the EFL. We were just named #3 on the League 1 budget list.
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cafctom said:Somebody is going to need to spell it out for me what makes TS and RD so similar.
Because in the case of TS, I see someone who has put very decent money into the playing squad and tried his best to build a connection with fans. Whereas, with RD, we had someone who wanted to bring in network players and managers through a revolving door whilst being universally despised to the point we had to protest before, during and after games.
If the only link people can find is “he likes to do things his own way”, then that’s pretty tenuous.
I think because....
RD - Business plan was to take a second division football club that was struggling financially due to the previous owners and run it as a break even business, he aimed to do this by:
Developing and selling players using the clubs academy
Keeping running costs to a minimum
Investing just enough into the playing squad to have a decent starting 11
Play the transfer market by using his network of clubs and youth set up to plug gaps in the playing squad
Increasing and promoting the clubs commercial activity with a "match day experience"
This task was mainly left to his inexperienced CEO to carry out, he had a plan and wasnt going to budge on it for anyone or anything, he listened to very specific people and that was that.
General feeling is, he failed, he didnt invest enough into the squad, which was usually too thin to make it through a whole season, running costs became slashed which had an affect on general morale, his CEO was often made to look a fool due to the inexperience where personal vendettas then came about, there was a massive void in comms from the club throughout his time and as a result of all this the ownership were hounded out the club.
TS - Business plan is to take a third division football club that was struggling financially due to the mish mash of previous "owners" and run it as a break even business, he aims to do this by:
Developing and selling players using the clubs academy
Developing and selling players using the transfer market
Play the transfer market by looking for bargains and using contacts in the gameInvesting into a strong starting 11 and using the youth set up to plug gaps in the playing squad.
increasing and promoting the clubs commercial activity by getting more fans in.
*running costs have been rumoured to have not changed much.
This task is left to himself and his own admitted, lack of experience, the football industry isnt complicated, he has his plan and common sense will get us there.
General feeling is, excitement! football needs a shake up and TS is the man to do it!3 -
cafctom said:Somebody is going to need to spell it out for me what makes TS and RD so similar.
Because in the case of TS, I see someone who has put very decent money into the playing squad and tried his best to build a connection with fans. Whereas, with RD, we had someone who wanted to bring in network players and managers through a revolving door whilst being universally despised to the point we had to protest before, during and after games.
If the only link people can find is “he likes to do things his own way”, then that’s pretty tenuous.
The question is ....if Roland never existed and the 2014-2019 time frame also didn't exist, and TS purchased Charlton directly from a standard Norwegian average Joe who attended roughly 45 games and had a character of minimal whinge...
Then, would TS be criticized still just like he is now? Would alarm bells be ringing based on anything little mistake he makes or any thing he says?
I'm not sure.
Charlton athletic football club has suffered emotional abuse. We have been used for money, greed and personal gain.
Usually, a victim of abuse become magnetic attractions for a further list of nobheads. Southall enjoyed being a prat, because he thought he could get away with it, like a fool.
Richard Murray betrayed the club and he stabbed it in the back.
The natural bond with the club has perhaps decreased.
It doesn't quite feel the same.
It currently now feels purely like more of a business...that has Twitter, a guitar, a scarf with normal shoes followed by increased dignity and self awareness.
We are going to be in league one for at least the next 2-3 years. Do not make the mistake of believing the championship is where we belong. It no longer is.
We have to prove ourselves.
I don't want Roland to make money from selling sparrows lane and the valley. I hope he lives in a retirement home soon and his kids sell his assets for him.
The rebuilding of the club is all going to take a lot of time.1 -
JJ on Sangaard’s expectations of a top two finish.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/johnnie-jackson-on-the-right-time-to-judge-him-as-charlton-athletic-manager/
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I Am really surprised people are going for Thomas over the interview. I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. When he says running a football club is easy, I believe what he means is it’s no different to running a theatre , a rugby ground, county cricket, music venue etc. it’s a business, I do not believe he’s comments were related to the actual team. An in that I am tending to agree with him.
we are in the shit….. an that is down to the Manager JJ, his coaching staff, the medical staff and the playing squad.
Judge me after the next window says JJ. Well let’s see, the jury is out. But, personally I don’t think he will be here next October.1 -
Scoham said:JJ on Sangaard’s expectations of a top two finish.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/johnnie-jackson-on-the-right-time-to-judge-him-as-charlton-athletic-manager/
Good luck with that, Johnnie.
Choose your two signings wisely.0 -
cafctom said:Somebody is going to need to spell it out for me what makes TS and RD so similar.
Because in the case of TS, I see someone who has put very decent money into the playing squad and tried his best to build a connection with fans. Whereas, with RD, we had someone who wanted to bring in network players and managers through a revolving door whilst being universally despised to the point we had to protest before, during and after games.
If the only link people can find is “he likes to do things his own way”, then that’s pretty tenuous.
They couldn't be more different in their approach other than that.1 -
bobmunro said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...
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RaplhMilne said:I Am really surprised people are going for Thomas over the interview. I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. When he says running a football club is easy, I believe what he means is it’s no different to running a theatre , a rugby ground, county cricket, music venue etc. it’s a business, I do not believe he’s comments were related to the actual team. An in that I am tending to agree with him.
we are in the shit….. an that is down to the Manager JJ, his coaching staff, the medical staff and the playing squad.
Judge me after the next window says JJ. Well let’s see, the jury is out. But, personally I don’t think he will be here next October.But my interpretation was that he was trying to say it was just like everything else; where things can be analysed to potentially deliver improvements (that was essentially the easy bit), but the difference with football is that it gets confused by emotional engagement and emotional responses. That it is easier if you ensure you strip out the emotional aspects when decision making.
Be interesting if having read that someone revisited that 30 secs of interview and see if that’s fair that you could interpret it that way.0 -
AFKABartram said:Airman Brown said:SteveKielyCambridge said:balham red said:
Most of those are fair points, unless you mean the morale and motivation of the playing squad and management.
None of others would be affecting our current league position. So all this clamour for a CEO is unrelated to the team losing then...2 -
AFKABartram said:RaplhMilne said:I Am really surprised people are going for Thomas over the interview. I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. When he says running a football club is easy, I believe what he means is it’s no different to running a theatre , a rugby ground, county cricket, music venue etc. it’s a business, I do not believe he’s comments were related to the actual team. An in that I am tending to agree with him.
we are in the shit….. an that is down to the Manager JJ, his coaching staff, the medical staff and the playing squad.
Judge me after the next window says JJ. Well let’s see, the jury is out. But, personally I don’t think he will be here next October.But my interpretation was that he was trying to say it was just like everything else; where things can be analysed to potentially deliver improvements (that was essentially the easy bit), but the difference with football is that it gets confused by emotional engagement and emotional responses. That it is easier if you ensure you strip out the emotional aspects when decision making.
Be interesting if having read that someone revisited that 30 secs of interview and see if that’s fair that you could interpret it that way.
The sports fan is a unique kind of 'customer' and in this country and for a good number of football clubs in particular the expectation level is through the roof0 -
“If and when we start improving on the football side, it’s all going to click.“If…IF…????????
.…brilliant…2 -
EugenesAxe said:“If and when we start improving on the football side, it’s all going to click.“If…IF…????????
.…brilliant…
Jesus wept, the knives are out
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AFKABartram said:RaplhMilne said:I Am really surprised people are going for Thomas over the interview. I honestly didn’t think it was that bad. When he says running a football club is easy, I believe what he means is it’s no different to running a theatre , a rugby ground, county cricket, music venue etc. it’s a business, I do not believe he’s comments were related to the actual team. An in that I am tending to agree with him.
we are in the shit….. an that is down to the Manager JJ, his coaching staff, the medical staff and the playing squad.
Judge me after the next window says JJ. Well let’s see, the jury is out. But, personally I don’t think he will be here next October.But my interpretation was that he was trying to say it was just like everything else; where things can be analysed to potentially deliver improvements (that was essentially the easy bit), but the difference with football is that it gets confused by emotional engagement and emotional responses. That it is easier if you ensure you strip out the emotional aspects when decision making.
Be interesting if having read that someone revisited that 30 secs of interview and see if that’s fair that you could interpret it that way.
There can be a lot of confusion when people talk about Football as a business.
Of course, there is a business side and this needs to be managed and dealt with appropriately.
But the bit that's special to Football is that the 'product' (ie the team on the pitch that fans want to see) is a fragile thing. It is made up of the technical component parts (the players and the coaches), but heavily laced with personality/ego/confidence/form/ etc etc. Add to that the power of team spirit and fans' support (and I won't even mention the impact of injuries) and you have a mixture that is hard to analyse and to define. There is also no single 'correct' way of building a successful team ... although certain principles do apply.
In that respect, Science and Analytics can only take you so far (and I say that as someone who worked in that field for many years).
This is where Sandgaard's business experience leaves him short.
He is trying to build a fragile product without understanding the essential (but nebulous) bits that are necessary. He is not even clear what the product looks like.
He is a robot trying to write love songs.6