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He hasn't got either manager 'badly' wrong. There was a bounce after Adkins was sacked (we won 0-6 away at Plymouth!) and finished the season strongly.
Similarly, he hired Jackson after a brilliant run of results and under pressure from the fanbase. In fact, he was criticised for not appointing Jackson sooner. Jackson did a decent job imo and I think he would have kicked on next season.
But a decision has been made - one I do understand. I just don't want a has-been manager like Ferguson, Warburton or Appleton turning up whose careers are on a downward trajectory.10 -
Do you really think they were the root cause of our problems? Or just maybe if you ask Ronnie O'Sullivan to play snooker with a cricket bat on a wonky table with one pocket he might not fair too well either!Dave Rudd said:One last try ...
Sandgaard, you have now got it badly wrong twice.
Adkins.
Jackson.
The scientific interpretation would be that your process is wrong.
So ... before you get it wrong a third time (and just think of the cost that would involve) ... get your process right.
You do not have the background, or experience or the vision to make the right call.
One last try ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
Not your son (despite his hard shot).
Not Ron Dangerfield (despite his bushy beard).
Not De Souza (despite his misspelled PowerPoint slides).
Ignore this at your peril. But I will not bother again. If you are that ignorant, and that arrogant ... well. I'll leave it there.
Apart from ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT.
We'll never know whether either of those two could have done better, because both were hamstrung by the owners insistence in meddling, recruitment, employing his son, blah blah blah. Sadly even if he does employ football people, he still has to listen to them!
Wake up and smell the coffee people, the problem isn't inherently the manager/s, but the tools the managers is given, both on and off the field. Thats not changing anytime soon!4 -
Would like Warburton but not convinced he would drop to L1. Beale seems the most likely from the list to me.0
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Well, you are kind of re-enforcing the point, aren't you?Rob7Lee said:
Do you really think they were the root cause of our problems? Or just maybe if you ask Ronnie O'Sullivan to play snooker with a cricket bat on a wonky table with one pocket he might not fair too well either!Dave Rudd said:One last try ...
Sandgaard, you have now got it badly wrong twice.
Adkins.
Jackson.
The scientific interpretation would be that your process is wrong.
So ... before you get it wrong a third time (and just think of the cost that would involve) ... get your process right.
You do not have the background, or experience or the vision to make the right call.
One last try ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
Not your son (despite his hard shot).
Not Ron Dangerfield (despite his bushy beard).
Not De Souza (despite his misspelled PowerPoint slides).
Ignore this at your peril. But I will not bother again. If you are that ignorant, and that arrogant ... well. I'll leave it there.
Apart from ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT.
We'll never know whether either of those two could have done better, because both were hamstrung by the owners insistence in meddling, recruitment, employing his son, blah blah blah. Sadly even if he does employ football people, he still has to listen to them!
Wake up and smell the coffee people, the problem isn't inherently the manager/s, but the tools the managers is given, both on and off the field. Thats not changing anytime soon!
Let's assume that Adkins and Jackson are/were wonderful. That makes Sandgaard's judgement even worse. He sacks the (wonderful) managers while the problem is the squad etc.
Same solution, Thomas.
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
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I'm going for Warburton.0
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And that’s exactly why some compare him to RD. Although very different they’re two owners determined to do things their own way and appoint people that no one else in football would.Dave Rudd said:
I have no idea.Scoham said:
Do you trust him to find the right people within football to get advice from?Dave Rudd said:One last try ...
Sandgaard, you have now got it badly wrong twice.
Adkins.
Jackson.
The scientific interpretation would be that your process is wrong.
So ... before you get it wrong a third time (and just think of the cost that would involve) ... get your process right.
You do not have the background, or experience or the vision to make the right call.
One last try ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
Not your son (despite his hard shot).
Not Ron Dangerfield (despite his bushy beard).
Not De Souza (despite his misspelled PowerPoint slides).
Ignore this at your peril. But I will not bother again. If you are that ignorant, and that arrogant ... well. I'll leave it there.
Apart from ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT.
But Step 1 would be for Sandgaard to realise the problem, and then to speak to others who might help him.
The problem is arrogance, not contacts.
Wigan on the other hand appointed a CEO with plenty of football experience and although they took a gamble on a young manager they put together a very strong squad which gave him the opportunity to succeed.
I can understand Jackson being replaced but am concerned about who will replace him and our recruitment this summer.
I get the feeling this is his last roll of the dice, I can’t see him putting £5-10m in every year to stay in League 1 if we keep failing.4 -
Beale’s gone from 12s to 5s0
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Another ex-Brentford which probably appeals to TS.Covered End said:I'm going for Warburton.2 -
Whilst I agree about footballing people, there's no point employing them unless you follow their advice and let them get on with it, neither of which I've seen any evidence of. Instead we have the owners son......... who apparently has a cracking shot.Dave Rudd said:
Well, you are kind of re-enforcing the point, aren't you?Rob7Lee said:
Do you really think they were the root cause of our problems? Or just maybe if you ask Ronnie O'Sullivan to play snooker with a cricket bat on a wonky table with one pocket he might not fair too well either!Dave Rudd said:One last try ...
Sandgaard, you have now got it badly wrong twice.
Adkins.
Jackson.
The scientific interpretation would be that your process is wrong.
So ... before you get it wrong a third time (and just think of the cost that would involve) ... get your process right.
You do not have the background, or experience or the vision to make the right call.
One last try ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
Not your son (despite his hard shot).
Not Ron Dangerfield (despite his bushy beard).
Not De Souza (despite his misspelled PowerPoint slides).
Ignore this at your peril. But I will not bother again. If you are that ignorant, and that arrogant ... well. I'll leave it there.
Apart from ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT.
We'll never know whether either of those two could have done better, because both were hamstrung by the owners insistence in meddling, recruitment, employing his son, blah blah blah. Sadly even if he does employ football people, he still has to listen to them!
Wake up and smell the coffee people, the problem isn't inherently the manager/s, but the tools the managers is given, both on and off the field. Thats not changing anytime soon!
Let's assume that Adkins and Jackson are/were wonderful. That makes Sandgaard's judgement even worse. He sacks the (wonderful) managers while the problem is the squad etc.
Same solution, Thomas.
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
So far we've had Adkins who from what we know had little to no input on the squad recruited, when it didn't work on the pitch he fell by the sword.
Jackson inherited said squad, results didn't come so he falls by the sword.
I'll reiterate the problem isn't the managers, it's the tools they are given, unless that changes then whoever he employs next as manager/coach is largely irrelevant!7 -
In the interest of balance I don't think it's right to rule out Hovis or Allied at this stage.Covered End said:I'm going for Warburton.3 - Sponsored links:
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No no no no no no no no….Greenie said:Neil Lennon10 -
I’d like Warburton as well. However he left Brentford because he disagreed with the board’s statistical modelling approach to transfers and recruitment. Im not sure he’d be too keen on the way TS works either.8
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I’ve heard he’s a painCovered End said:I'm going for Warburton.1 -
Hughtons a good shout.0
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Neil Harris. Gave a brutally honest assessment of Gillingham's season on Quest at the weekend. Not happy.
Or Rowett.
Or Jackett. Any of those most likely for me. Each way bet?0 -
Schoolboy error, @Scoham.Scoham said:
And that’s exactly why some compare him to RD. Although very different they’re two owners determined to do things their own way and appoint people that no one else in football would.Dave Rudd said:
I have no idea.Scoham said:
Do you trust him to find the right people within football to get advice from?Dave Rudd said:One last try ...
Sandgaard, you have now got it badly wrong twice.
Adkins.
Jackson.
The scientific interpretation would be that your process is wrong.
So ... before you get it wrong a third time (and just think of the cost that would involve) ... get your process right.
You do not have the background, or experience or the vision to make the right call.
One last try ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL.
Not your son (despite his hard shot).
Not Ron Dangerfield (despite his bushy beard).
Not De Souza (despite his misspelled PowerPoint slides).
Ignore this at your peril. But I will not bother again. If you are that ignorant, and that arrogant ... well. I'll leave it there.
Apart from ...
GET SOME PEOPLE AROUND YOU WHO KNOW FOOTBALL. BECAUSE YOU DO NOT.
But Step 1 would be for Sandgaard to realise the problem, and then to speak to others who might help him.
The problem is arrogance, not contacts.
Wigan on the other hand appointed a CEO with plenty of football experience and although they took a gamble on a young manager they put together a very strong squad which gave him the opportunity to succeed.
I can understand Jackson being replaced but am concerned about who will replace him and our recruitment this summer.
I get the feeling this is his last roll of the dice, I can’t see him putting £5-10m in every year to stay in League 1 if we keep failing.
Just like Roland, Sandgaard 'doesn't do failure'.
He managed to buy us due to his determination and is going to be here for 100 years.
Source?Sandgaard spoke to Jim White and Natalie Sawyer on TalkSport this lunchtime and here is what he had to say when he was quizzed on his long-term ambitions and how long he thinks he will be at the club for.
“Let’s put a big round number on it and call it 100 years, after the stability is in place, I hope we can do a Leicester, where we can blow everybody’s minds and get to play some European football, but it will take a while”.
That comment alone made Charlton fans smile and think about what the future could hold. We do need actions more than words, but so far the words are enjoyable enough to think about Charlton being in the Champions League, but I do remember Sandgaard saying somewhere that he believes in “actions speak louder than words” so let’s hope that’s true too.
@JamesSeed check : Pinch of salt?1 -
Beale or Duff for me.0
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Would be keen to have Warburton here but I just don't think I could endure the bread-based puns EVERY week!3
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If management team was based on who you would like as manager rather than if they would actually be any good I'd have Mark Kinsella with Brownie as his assistant.
Back in reality ...I'd simply go for a proven manager that has shown they can get the most out of moderate talent and knows this division inside out. To that end ...Karl Robinson seems to keep popping up.4 -
Karl could nt get out quick enough.Even with a different owner ,we would have to drag him backValleyOfTears said:If management team was based on who you would like as manager rather than if they would actually be any good I'd have Mark Kinsella with Brownie as his assistant.
Back in reality ...I'd simply go for a proven manager that has shown they can get the most out of moderate talent and knows this division inside out. To that end ...Karl Robinson seems to keep popping up.0 - Sponsored links:
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After what he did this season at forest and seeing the turn around they had under a very good manager, I’d steer clear of Houghtoncarly burn said:Hughtons a good shout.10 -
Michael Beale is by far and away my No1 candidate , young progressive tactically clever coach who seems incredibly switched on.
Honestly find a lot of those names on the odds list quite uninspired but someone like Michael Carrick at 20s would be an interesting move and probably fits the mould for what TS is after.2 -
There is a limit then?ValleyGary said:
No no no no no no no no….Greenie said:Neil Lennon1 -
As in grand-a-week if he took the job?SheedyCAFC said:Beale’s gone from 12s to 5s5 -
Actions always speak louder than words.0
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I want someone with no connections to Charlton.2
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More driven by fans putting bets on rather than inside I expect, but the sort of appointment I’d like to see.SheedyCAFC said:Beale’s gone from 12s to 5s2 -
Du Vin?EastTerrace said:
I’ve heard he’s a painCovered End said:I'm going for Warburton.0 -
I'd be happy with Ferguson, Warburton or Beale.
I'd not be happy with Lee Johnson, and if it's Millwall legend Harris then i'd imagine a lot of fans will not bother going.0 -
Agree with Beale. I reckon we’d get some good villa and rangers youngsters on loan too. Carrick-On the other hand we might as well kept Jackson as manager.MarcusH26 said:Michael Beale is by far and away my No1 candidate , young progressive tactically clever coach who seems incredibly switched on.
Honestly find a lot of those names on the odds list quite uninspired but someone like Michael Carrick at 20s would be an interesting move and probably fits the mould for what TS is after.0
