Excuse me for my presumptiousness and irritability, but I'm going to repeat what I posted just a few posts above. It's a direct quote from the Methven interview. If you still want to argue that Miles would be sold in this window, please first read this quote again and then tell me, on what planet any offer of less than £10m fits with what he has stated there as the new ownership's approach to young players. (and if you want to challenge me on the £10m, well I've got my benchmark. Lookman, plus inflation of transfer fees since we sold him.
“So if you think about the selling of young players who have broken through into the first team, you know, we all know that they really need to be sold at the optimal moment. Unfortunately, if a club is cash constrained, they often don’t get sold the optimum, they get sold the earliest moment, and the club concern loses out on the crucial delta, which comes from that player playing an extra season or two, and already proving that he is going to be a Premier League player. So if you think about, you know how Peterborough managed Ivan Toney, they held on to him until the point at which everyone could see that he was going to be a top player. And if they sold him a year earlier, they would have got half less than half as much.”
If Leaburn doesn't sign a contract soon, he will more than likely be sold in January, for a fraction of his true value.
Charlie Methven's words aren't worth relying on.
I'm not "relying on" them. I am arguingthat what he says is good business sense, and I've waited 20 years (since the Parker saga) for an ownership that comes out and says it. In fact, what he says often makes a lot of sense. The question is always whether he delivers on what he says.
The reason I'm pushing this is that instead of defeatist comments such as we see all over this thread we should be standing up and reminding Charlie of his words and ensuring he knows that he'll be held to account if he goes this window.
The contract extension is the problem of course, but Charlie Methven knows that perfectly well. Personally I think it's doable thanks to Miles family - after all it ought not to be so difficult to swing a "do the right think by Charlton" argument to at least give both sides space to make it to season-end and see where we are. The role model there, at least on the pitch, would be Darren Bent in our final doomed FAPL season.
Why is it defeatist speculating that he will go? To be brutally honest, based on our last few years, it is realistic.
Most of us don’t want him to go, but my thought that he might do so is based upon the way the club has acted for some time.
I virtually always have a positive outlook but I do not, absolutely do not, trust the SMT.
Furthermore, I very much doubt that even if the whole Valley was ‘standing up and reminding Charlie of his words’, it would make the slightest difference to their actions. I’m all for protest but Methven is far too thick skinned to care.
Having dealt with him, getting that interview done, I'm not sure I agree with that. He can be the opposite. What's more when he talks about what's right and wrong with the way English football is run, his position is often far more aligned with activist fans than FAPL owners. He wants to be seen as a serious player in English football, and to show that he has learnt from his time at Sunderland which is imprinted on so many memories.
In fact to test how thick-skinned he is you could ask him how he would respond to the following eight word combination: "January Window- Josh Maja- Will Grigg- Wembley Playoffs".
Excuse me for my presumptiousness and irritability, but I'm going to repeat what I posted just a few posts above. It's a direct quote from the Methven interview. If you still want to argue that Miles would be sold in this window, please first read this quote again and then tell me, on what planet any offer of less than £10m fits with what he has stated there as the new ownership's approach to young players. (and if you want to challenge me on the £10m, well I've got my benchmark. Lookman, plus inflation of transfer fees since we sold him.
“So if you think about the selling of young players who have broken through into the first team, you know, we all know that they really need to be sold at the optimal moment. Unfortunately, if a club is cash constrained, they often don’t get sold the optimum, they get sold the earliest moment, and the club concern loses out on the crucial delta, which comes from that player playing an extra season or two, and already proving that he is going to be a Premier League player. So if you think about, you know how Peterborough managed Ivan Toney, they held on to him until the point at which everyone could see that he was going to be a top player. And if they sold him a year earlier, they would have got half less than half as much.”
If Leaburn doesn't sign a contract soon, he will more than likely be sold in January, for a fraction of his true value.
Charlie Methven's words aren't worth relying on.
I'm not "relying on" them. I am arguingthat what he says is good business sense, and I've waited 20 years (since the Parker saga) for an ownership that comes out and says it. In fact, what he says often makes a lot of sense. The question is always whether he delivers on what he says.
The reason I'm pushing this is that instead of defeatist comments such as we see all over this thread we should be standing up and reminding Charlie of his words and ensuring he knows that he'll be held to account if he goes this window.
The contract extension is the problem of course, but Charlie Methven knows that perfectly well. Personally I think it's doable thanks to Miles family - after all it ought not to be so difficult to swing a "do the right think by Charlton" argument to at least give both sides space to make it to season-end and see where we are. The role model there, at least on the pitch, would be Darren Bent in our final doomed FAPL season.
Why is it defeatist speculating that he will go? To be brutally honest, based on our last few years, it is realistic.
Most of us don’t want him to go, but my thought that he might do so is based upon the way the club has acted for some time.
I virtually always have a positive outlook but I do not, absolutely do not, trust the SMT.
Furthermore, I very much doubt that even if the whole Valley was ‘standing up and reminding Charlie of his words’, it would make the slightest difference to their actions. I’m all for protest but Methven is far too thick skinned to care.
Having dealt with him, getting that interview done, I'm not sure I agree with that. He can be the opposite. What's more when he talks about what's right and wrong with the way English football is run, his position is often far more aligned with activist fans than FAPL owners. He wants to be seen as a serious player in English football, and to show that he has learnt from his time at Sunderland which is imprinted on so many memories.
In fact to test how thick-skinned he is you could ask him how he would respond to the following eight word combination: "January Window- Josh Maja- Will Grigg- Wembley Playoffs".
The only question I would ask is if Miles is staying … we will know within 32 days.
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
All three of those players were transferred between Premier League clubs. If we get offered £3M I reckon we’d take it (I don’t think we should, I just think we would).
I don't think you can underestimate the influence his parents will have on any decision he takes regarding moving on. Both are football people and both are Charlton through and through.
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and not even being able to get into their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Look at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
I don't think you can underestimate the influence his parents will have on any decision he takes regarding moving on. Both are football people and both are Charlton through and through.
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and no even being able to get I to their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Loom at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
That’s an incredibly Charlton Fan centric perspective. His parents might be Charlton through and through, but first and foremost they are his parents and they’ll advocate for what is best for him above anything else. Trying to look at this objectively, if Charlton accept an offer for him from a Premier League he’d be mad not to go.
You and I might think “he’ll just rot in the development side or go out on loan a hundred times” if he moves to a big side, but professional athletes have an almost pathological sense of of self confidence. It’s one of the things (aside from actual talent) that separates them from the likes of you and I.
Have any of our players in the last 20 years turned down the Premier League offer when it’s come in? I think the answer is universally “no”, don’t get your hopes up that this time will be any different.
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
All three of those players were transferred between Premier League clubs. If we get offered £3M I reckon we’d take it (I don’t think we should, I just think we would).
Sure, which is why I discounted the fee we should look for to £8M. Leaburn has played far far more first team football and just absolutely dominated Chelsea's U23 team in a cup game. If we accept £3M then we are as badly run as we have ever been.
I don't think you can underestimate the influence his parents will have on any decision he takes regarding moving on. Both are football people and both are Charlton through and through.
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and no even being able to get I to their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Loom at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
That’s an incredibly Charlton Fan centric perspective. His parents might be Charlton through and through, but first and foremost they are his parents and they’ll advocate for what is best for him above anything else. Trying to look at this objectively, if Charlton accept an offer for him from a Premier League he’d be mad not to go.
You and I might think “he’ll just rot in the development side or go out on loan a hundred times” if he moves to a big side, but professional athletes have an almost pathological sense of of self confidence. It’s one of the things (aside from actual talent) that separates them from the likes of you and I.
Have any of our players in the last 20 years turned down the Premier League offer when it’s come in? I think the answer is universally “no”, don’t get your hopes up that this time will be any different.
That's true, but with the exception of Parker, the club was also more than ready to accept the offer, because to use CM's words, it was "cash constrained". In Duchatelet's case, deliberately so. ( (applies to Gomez, Konsa, Lookman, Grant) although I think we did surprisingly well with Lookman's fee). In Shelvey's case, I believe Parky shares some of the blame as he could not find a way to get the best from him in the run-in. If we'd made it up that season with him playing regularly, then at the least we might have got a lot more for him, and maybe kept him for one season in the Champ.
If he’s smart, he realize that if he gets this stage of his development right, he can go on to start games regularly in the Premier League and earn far far more than $10k a week for years to come. Make the jump to a premier league academy too soon and he could easily get lost in the numbers and stagnate/go backwards.
But he's not going to stagnate or go backwards. He's shown today that fully fit and committed he can play at a much higher level.
Sure he needs to pick his PL club carefully. Chelsea and Man City, for example, would probably see him struggle to hold down a place in the first team squad. But go somewhere like Brentford or, God forbid, Palace and that would quickly see him around the matchday 18 man squad.
Just enjoy him while we can.
Yeah? Ask JRS what he thinks about that.
If you want to enjoy him while we can, it would be better if people didnt post defeatist nonsense after one game where he captures the headlines, and instead remind Charlie Methven of what he said on the record to the Charlton Dossier in May 2023:
“So if you think about the selling of young players who have broken through into the first team, you know, we all know that they really need to be sold at the optimal moment. Unfortunately, if a club is cash constrained, they often don’t get sold the optimum, they get sold the earliest moment, and the club concern loses out on the crucial delta, which comes from that player playing an extra season or two, and already proving that he is going to be a Premier League player. So if you think about, you know how Peterborough managed Ivan Toney, they held on to him until the point at which everyone could see that he was going to be a top player. And if they sold him a year earlier, they would have got half less than half as much.”
Of course what Charlie boy says would be best for the club. I don't dispute that at all. But you know as well as I do, that the power in modern football rests largely with the player. And when Leaburn goes won't be down solely to the club.
Without going over old ground again, if you were Miles Leaburn waking up this morning would you rather stay here and play at grounds like Burton on a cold Tuesday night in front of 1300 people or quadruple (or maybe even more) your wages and be at a PL team if only on the fringes for the time being?
So if an offer comes in that Leaburn likes the sound off, what are we going to do? Say you can't go and totally p**s him off? End up with a Scott Parker scenario where he refuses to play (although hopefully his family allegiance to the club might stop that). Even if we keep him, will he be totally committed or merely wanting to stay clear of injury so he doesn't muck up his eventual big move?
Of course I don't want Leaburn to go. I hope he stays not only to the end of this season but to the end of next. I hope the club offers him a 5 year deal on the sort of wages Chelsea would pay and he signs it. But facing up to the reality of modern football is far from "defeatist nonsense". It's just an acceptance of the way football is now.
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
All three of those players were transferred between Premier League clubs. If we get offered £3M I reckon we’d take it (I don’t think we should, I just think we would).
Sure, which is why I discounted the fee we should look for to £8M. Leaburn has played far far more first team football and just absolutely dominated Chelsea's U23 team in a cup game. If we accept £3M then we are as badly run as we have ever been.
That's what we got for Lookman 7 years ago, since then the FAPL has received further big piles of wonga.
I don't think you can underestimate the influence his parents will have on any decision he takes regarding moving on. Both are football people and both are Charlton through and through.
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and no even being able to get I to their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Loom at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
That’s an incredibly Charlton Fan centric perspective. His parents might be Charlton through and through, but first and foremost they are his parents and they’ll advocate for what is best for him above anything else. Trying to look at this objectively, if Charlton accept an offer for him from a Premier League he’d be mad not to go.
You and I might think “he’ll just rot in the development side or go out on loan a hundred times” if he moves to a big side, but professional athletes have an almost pathological sense of of self confidence. It’s one of the things (aside from actual talent) that separates them from the likes of you and I.
Have any of our players in the last 20 years turned down the Premier League offer when it’s come in? I think the answer is universally “no”, don’t get your hopes up that this time will be any different.
That's true, but with the exception of Parker, the club was also more than ready to accept the offer, because to use CM's words, it was "cash constrained". In Duchatelet's case, deliberately so. ( (applies to Gomez, Konsa, Lookman, Grant) although I think we did surprisingly well with Lookman's fee). In Shelvey's case, I believe Parky shares some of the blame as he could not find a way to get the best from him in the run-in. If we'd made it up that season with him playing regularly, then at the least we might have got a lot more for him, and maybe kept him for one season in the Champ.
You’re relying on one comment from Methven in one interview, I’m setting my expectations based on the logic of the evidence of history. We’ll see how it turns out.
If he played for Peterborough we’d all be guessing they’d get £5m as a minimum.
If he stays fit I see him surprising some with how far he goes. Injuries and our average team have limited what he’s done so far, and he still has a good scoring record for a striker of his age. He could achieve so much in a team who create a lot of chances, not just goals but assists too.
Anything close to 5 million going to be tough to turndown.
I find that insane, honestly anything under £10m is insulting. Show me similar commodities for less than 10m in our division or higher. We always undersell our best assests.
10 million would be the highest amount ever paid for an outgoing league one player. It is just not realistic of what the market would be for Miles. While his pace and size would be enticing, his injury history and some inconsistent runs of form the last couple of years would certainly lower that significantly. Ivan Toney who was a much more polished product went for just over 5 million.
Not putting the lad down at all but the figures some are quoting on here is madness. Yes he has potential but that’s what it is ! Potential. I can see a bigger club taking a punt ( maybe Brighton ) but not for anything like the sums being mentioned. Kone the guy yesterday is the same age and attracting interest the same as Miles but not being touted for the money being mentioned on here
You’d hope for how much investment and time we have spent on miles, he would repay us with signing a contract so the club can benefit from it as they deserve
You’d hope for how much investment and time we have spent on miles, he would repay us with signing a contract so the club can benefit from it as they deserve
The reality for a club our size is that the investment we have made in Miles' development was to sell him on for a return on that investment.
Besides that, players have maybe a 10 year career where they can maximise earnings. Miles has to think about his financial future above any loyalty to us, and I wouldn't hold that against him.
If he’s smart, he realize that if he gets this stage of his development right, he can go on to start games regularly in the Premier League and earn far far more than $10k a week for years to come. Make the jump to a premier league academy too soon and he could easily get lost in the numbers and stagnate/go backwards.
But he's not going to stagnate or go backwards. He's shown today that fully fit and committed he can play at a much higher level.
Sure he needs to pick his PL club carefully. Chelsea and Man City, for example, would probably see him struggle to hold down a place in the first team squad. But go somewhere like Brentford or, God forbid, Palace and that would quickly see him around the matchday 18 man squad.
Just enjoy him while we can.
Yeah? Ask JRS what he thinks about that.
If you want to enjoy him while we can, it would be better if people didnt post defeatist nonsense after one game where he captures the headlines, and instead remind Charlie Methven of what he said on the record to the Charlton Dossier in May 2023:
“So if you think about the selling of young players who have broken through into the first team, you know, we all know that they really need to be sold at the optimal moment. Unfortunately, if a club is cash constrained, they often don’t get sold the optimum, they get sold the earliest moment, and the club concern loses out on the crucial delta, which comes from that player playing an extra season or two, and already proving that he is going to be a Premier League player. So if you think about, you know how Peterborough managed Ivan Toney, they held on to him until the point at which everyone could see that he was going to be a top player. And if they sold him a year earlier, they would have got half less than half as much.”
Of course what Charlie boy says would be best for the club. I don't dispute that at all. But you know as well as I do, that the power in modern football rests largely with the player. And when Leaburn goes won't be down solely to the club.
Without going over old ground again, if you were Miles Leaburn waking up this morning would you rather stay here and play at grounds like Burton on a cold Tuesday night in front of 1300 people or quadruple (or maybe even more) your wages and be at a PL team if only on the fringes for the time being?
So if an offer comes in that Leaburn likes the sound off, what are we going to do? Say you can't go and totally p**s him off? End up with a Scott Parker scenario where he refuses to play (although hopefully his family allegiance to the club might stop that). Even if we keep him, will he be totally committed or merely wanting to stay clear of injury so he doesn't muck up his eventual big move?
Of course I don't want Leaburn to go. I hope he stays not only to the end of this season but to the end of next. I hope the club offers him a 5 year deal on the sort of wages Chelsea would pay and he signs it. But facing up to the reality of modern football is far from "defeatist nonsense". It's just an acceptance of the way football is now.
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
All three of those players were transferred between Premier League clubs. If we get offered £3M I reckon we’d take it (I don’t think we should, I just think we would).
Weren't a lot of those prem transfers done for creative accounting purposes. Dodgy but a lot of youngsters were changing between clubs for silly amounts as selling a homegrown player for a fee gives more room to spend under ffp.
I'd be surprised if Leaburn fetches anywhere near £8m even if his form continues. I'd expect £5m to be the max
Think he goes in the summer unless we go up and even then I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go. It would be negligent to let him leave on a free when we could potentially get multi millions for him and the summer is the last chance to cash in
I'm probably a lone voice but I don't think he's that good. Decent League 1 striker but anything higher.....nah. Wouldn't get into double figures in the Championship. Certainly not just yet. Who knows in a few years time but anyone buying him now is taking a big punt.
I think a more realistic projection is somewhere in the middle, Do i think he can have a career at a higher level ? yes, certainly championship. Is he ready for it now ? I don't believe so.
He has some good aspects to his game, his physicality and technique is above league 1 level. However he does make the wrong decisions and i do think their are question marks over his fitness.
Not putting the lad down at all but the figures some are quoting on here is madness. Yes he has potential but that’s what it is ! Potential. I can see a bigger club taking a punt ( maybe Brighton ) but not for anything like the sums being mentioned. Kone the guy yesterday is the same age and attracting interest the same as Miles but not being touted for the money being mentioned on here
Kone has had one good half season, is not English so won't attract the same premium as a home grown player, doesn't have the same physique and didn't come through an academy. I think he will go on to big things and the above could have been said for Lookman when we sold him but Kone is more of a risk than Leaburn at this point imo.
Brighton would be perfect for Leaburn and Charlton (IE he would have a chance to play and they would sell him meaning we would benefit from any sell on). However they have Evan Ferguson who is too similar.
Not putting the lad down at all but the figures some are quoting on here is madness. Yes he has potential but that’s what it is ! Potential. I can see a bigger club taking a punt ( maybe Brighton ) but not for anything like the sums being mentioned. Kone the guy yesterday is the same age and attracting interest the same as Miles but not being touted for the money being mentioned on here
Kone has had one good half season, is not English so won't attract the same premium as a home grown player, doesn't have the same physique and didn't come through an academy. I think he will go on to big things and the above could have been said for Lookman when we sold him but Kone is more of a risk than Leaburn at this point imo.
Brighton would be perfect for Leaburn and Charlton (IE he would have a chance to play and they would sell him meaning we would benefit from any sell on). However they have Evan Ferguson who is too similar.
Leaburn’s injuries make him more of a risk. I think Leaburn has the higher ceiling though so should cost more
Miles isn’t going anywhere in January. He has re-established himself as Charltons no.9, he’s producing ridiculous numbers again and (fingers crossed) he avoids another injury + he continues in this form, he will be able to pick his option between an internal offer and external offers in the summer.
If we want Miles in Charlton red next season we’ll need to be in the Championship!
The fee is only part of the equation. The opportunity for the player will be another part. We have been here many times before.
The club would also need to consider what selling Leaburn in January would do to the team’s immediate prospects (and what they are). A scenario in which we go on a losing run and fall further off the play-offs is very different from one in which we win the next three league games and find ourselves in the top six.
Personally, I think selling Leaburn in January would be extremely damaging, to the club and to the board. If you snuff out hope every time it surfaces don’t be surprised if more people give up on you.
Probably the best post on this subject IMO.
This will be the first big test of this ownership / SMT when it comes to selling a player. Because we will lose him. It’s just a matter of when and for how much.
January feels too soon, especially given the recent run of results. Give him until the end of the season, let him (hopefully) bag another 10-15 goals and his value would skyrocket.
I’d like to think we could negotiate a strong deal in the summer with a Premier League side who need to fill homegrown quotas etc.
I don't think you can underestimate the influence his parents will have on any decision he takes regarding moving on. Both are football people and both are Charlton through and through.
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and no even being able to get I to their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Loom at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
That’s an incredibly Charlton Fan centric perspective. His parents might be Charlton through and through, but first and foremost they are his parents and they’ll advocate for what is best for him above anything else. Trying to look at this objectively, if Charlton accept an offer for him from a Premier League he’d be mad not to go.
You and I might think “he’ll just rot in the development side or go out on loan a hundred times” if he moves to a big side, but professional athletes have an almost pathological sense of of self confidence. It’s one of the things (aside from actual talent) that separates them from the likes of you and I.
Have any of our players in the last 20 years turned down the Premier League offer when it’s come in? I think the answer is universally “no”, don’t get your hopes up that this time will be any different.
That's true, but with the exception of Parker, the club was also more than ready to accept the offer, because to use CM's words, it was "cash constrained". In Duchatelet's case, deliberately so. ( (applies to Gomez, Konsa, Lookman, Grant) although I think we did surprisingly well with Lookman's fee). In Shelvey's case, I believe Parky shares some of the blame as he could not find a way to get the best from him in the run-in. If we'd made it up that season with him playing regularly, then at the least we might have got a lot more for him, and maybe kept him for one season in the Champ.
You’re relying on one comment from Methven in one interview, I’m setting my expectations based on the logic of the evidence of history. We’ll see how it turns out.
Again, I'm not relying on anything in the sense that I might believe that everything he says will happen. However that interview was his 'manifesto' and it was aimed at this forum in particular. Of course he's not an elected politician, we can't vote him out if he doesn't deliver on his "manifesto". But we can use it to hold him/the regime he currently fronts to account. If he goes in the window, we have every right to ask why the regime did the exact opposite of what he said in his manifesto, and instead did what all the other failures did, as you refer to.
BTW another part of his manifesto, but which he strangely wanted to keep off the record, was the fitness/medical upgrade. Despite the recent problems, one of which (Chuks) is probably unsolvable, he might well claim to be delivering on that already especially if Ramsey comes back by early Feb.
The fee is only part of the equation. The opportunity for the player will be another part. We have been here many times before.
The club would also need to consider what selling Leaburn in January would do to the team’s immediate prospects (and what they are). A scenario in which we go on a losing run and fall further off the play-offs is very different from one in which we win the next three league games and find ourselves in the top six.
Personally, I think selling Leaburn in January would be extremely damaging, to the club and to the board. If you snuff out hope every time it surfaces don’t be surprised if more people give up on you.
Probably the best post on this subject IMO.
This will be the first big test of this ownership / SMT when it comes to selling a player. Because we will lose him. It’s just a matter of when and for how much.
January feels too soon, especially given the recent run of results. Give him until the end of the season, let him (hopefully) bag another 10-15 goals and his value would skyrocket.
I’d like to think we could negotiate a strong deal in the summer with a Premier League side who need to fill homegrown quotas etc.
You could argue that test came last January with CBT and Dobson. They sold one and tried to sell the other. Those two were both out of contract in the following summer and we weren't pushing for the play-offs, so it wasn't apples to apples with the Leaburn situation. With Leaburn, you could probably argue, another injury aside, there is more long term financial upside to be realised by hanging onto him for a bit longer (plus the, limited, protection of a development fee even if he moves out of contract) vs. losing all value in CBT and Dobson if we hadn't sold (at least the one we did) in January. However, our perilous flirtation with relegation was possibly an even bigger concern for us last January than derailing a potential promotion push would be next month.
I don't think he will be sold in January, but the precedents, even with this ownership (who I think are more genuine about their ambitions than some other recent regimes), are not good.
Sure that’s fair. Loved CBT and Dobbo but neither of them will get close to the level Miles is capable of. Both of them could’ve been kept with the right offer but neither of them were worth more than 500k last January.
There is zero chance of Miles staying long term regardless (outside of the stupidly remote possibility of back to back promotions to the Premier League) so the test is in a completely different category. This situation is about playing the right cards to maximise the compensation we do get at the moment that makes the most sense.
There is of course an injury risk but holding Leaburn to the summer and him having a good 6 months, maybe scoring 10-12 more goals and a few assists and his value will soar as teams will see he has recovered from his injury to a good level and his stats will be crazy good (they already are).
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M Lewis Dobbin £10M Omary Kellyman £19M
Dobbin, Kellyman and Irogurnam (sp) all felt like FFP overpays to get teams compliant. Dobbin had a fairly average loan spell at Derby and hasn't done anything at West Brom this season.
I'd be disappointed if Leaburn went for under £5m tbh.
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In fact to test how thick-skinned he is you could ask him how he would respond to the following eight word combination: "January Window- Josh Maja- Will Grigg- Wembley Playoffs".
He will still have a year on his contract and I can't see a huge difference in value from 18 months left to 12 months.
So, unless Leaburn demands a move then we would be mad to let him go in Jan.
Value in Jan I would say is prob £3-4M. In the summer if he continues to perform I reckon £8M+.
I have said it many times but he is young, English, a striker, tall, quick, powerful and skillful. These types of strikers are as rare as hens teeth. I would expect there to be interest in signing him from across most PL and Bundesleague teams.
Just some of the transfer fees paid for barely tested young lads in the summer...
Tim Iroegbunam £10M
Lewis Dobbin £10M
Omary Kellyman £19M
They will be well aware that he is one injury away from his career being over and that chasing a big day might make sense. Equally both will know how well the club treated him in respect of his rehab from the hamstring injury and the dangers of him moving to a Chelsea, Arsenal etc and not even being able to get into their U21 side.
For what it's worth, I don't think he will go this window (unless a crazy 6/7m+ offer comes in) and even if he does I think we will see a loan back and possibly a season long loan next year.
Miles himself will surely understand he is far better learning his trade and occasionally bossing games with us than rotting in a development side or being shunted around a variety of loan clubs.
Look at Burstow (although TBF Leaburn is a far better player) he jumped ship and has really done nothing since he left.
Sure, which is why I discounted the fee we should look for to £8M. Leaburn has played far far more first team football and just absolutely dominated Chelsea's U23 team in a cup game.
If we accept £3M then we are as badly run as we have ever been.
Without going over old ground again, if you were Miles Leaburn waking up this morning would you rather stay here and play at grounds like Burton on a cold Tuesday night in front of 1300 people or quadruple (or maybe even more) your wages and be at a PL team if only on the fringes for the time being?
So if an offer comes in that Leaburn likes the sound off, what are we going to do? Say you can't go and totally p**s him off? End up with a Scott Parker scenario where he refuses to play (although hopefully his family allegiance to the club might stop that). Even if we keep him, will he be totally committed or merely wanting to stay clear of injury so he doesn't muck up his eventual big move?
Of course I don't want Leaburn to go. I hope he stays not only to the end of this season but to the end of next. I hope the club offers him a 5 year deal on the sort of wages Chelsea would pay and he signs it. But facing up to the reality of modern football is far from "defeatist nonsense". It's just an acceptance of the way football is now.
If he stays fit I see him surprising some with how far he goes. Injuries and our average team have limited what he’s done so far, and he still has a good scoring record for a striker of his age. He could achieve so much in a team who create a lot of chances, not just goals but assists too.
I'd be surprised if Leaburn fetches anywhere near £8m even if his form continues. I'd expect £5m to be the max
He has some good aspects to his game, his physicality and technique is above league 1 level. However he does make the wrong decisions and i do think their are question marks over his fitness.
Brighton would be perfect for Leaburn and Charlton (IE he would have a chance to play and they would sell him meaning we would benefit from any sell on). However they have Evan Ferguson who is too similar.
If we want Miles in Charlton red next season we’ll need to be in the Championship!
Probably the best post on this subject IMO.
This will be the first big test of this ownership / SMT when it comes to selling a player. Because we will lose him. It’s just a matter of when and for how much.
January feels too soon, especially given the recent run of results. Give him until the end of the season, let him (hopefully) bag another 10-15 goals and his value would skyrocket.
BTW another part of his manifesto, but which he strangely wanted to keep off the record, was the fitness/medical upgrade. Despite the recent problems, one of which (Chuks) is probably unsolvable, he might well claim to be delivering on that already especially if Ramsey comes back by early Feb.
I don't think he will be sold in January, but the precedents, even with this ownership (who I think are more genuine about their ambitions than some other recent regimes), are not good.
I'd be disappointed if Leaburn went for under £5m tbh.