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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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You could play both and Kelman takes Alli’s place.ct_addick said:NJ please play Kelman off the shoulder of Leaburn…please don’t play Grant2 -
How about something like "successful unarmed ground level pneumatic sphere interventions".fenaddick said:
Out of interest what word or phrase would you pick?Exiled_Addick said:
Fair enough, still a wanky way to describe it (not your fault, or course), but I'm getting old and in a grumpy mood today so I'll not wang on about it.Chunes said:
Tackles has its own stat. A duel is apparently classed as: "Any direct, one-on-one physical contest between two opposing players to gain or retain control of the ball."Exiled_Addick said:
Or "tackles", as they used to be known before football decided it needed to sound more like an American boardroom. Non-aerial duels, honestly...Chunes said:
Won 61.4% of his aerial duels. Puts him in the top 9% of the league.shine166 said:
Yeah you'd hope hes winning a lot in the air, with our style of play. Id be interested to know what % of aerial duels hes winning.Leuth said:The bigger story in that list is how wedded we truly are to the hoof
Interestingly, he is top of the entire league for non-aerial Duels Won.1 -
For a less facetious suggestion, something like "contested possession won" would be planer English, imo, but I'm already starting to lose the will to live with even my own argument, so I probably should have just left the original thought in my head and never started typing it out. Life's full of regrets.fenaddick said:
Out of interest what word or phrase would you pick?Exiled_Addick said:
Fair enough, still a wanky way to describe it (not your fault, or course), but I'm getting old and in a grumpy mood today so I'll not wang on about it.Chunes said:
Tackles has its own stat. A duel is apparently classed as: "Any direct, one-on-one physical contest between two opposing players to gain or retain control of the ball."Exiled_Addick said:
Or "tackles", as they used to be known before football decided it needed to sound more like an American boardroom. Non-aerial duels, honestly...Chunes said:
Won 61.4% of his aerial duels. Puts him in the top 9% of the league.shine166 said:
Yeah you'd hope hes winning a lot in the air, with our style of play. Id be interested to know what % of aerial duels hes winning.Leuth said:The bigger story in that list is how wedded we truly are to the hoof
Interestingly, he is top of the entire league for non-aerial Duels Won.5 -
Lloydy Effing JonesFumbluff said:
Lee Farvey Joswald?cantersaddick said:
Surprised LFJ isn't on the list tbh.Chunes said:
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Where on the pitch is he winning these duels though? And to what effect?, I don’t often see someone running onto a flick, surely we want him doing it in the 18yrd box( not ours too much), as I’ve said it’s not Leaburns fault, but having good stats on the wrong part of the pitch isn’t all that good, stats can be misleading. I’d rather he won less ball, but when he does it’s a scoring contribution in the box, or at least an assist.2
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Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.2 -
Still think Kelman will do the business in this league. Play him off of Leaburn, with TC one side and Karlan the other sideDOUCHER said:
I think you’re right2121 said:Top of league for non -ariel duels won you say? Runs everywhere, closes everything down? Can win knock ons yet there is no1 in front of him?
I standby that we should play him behind the striker2 -
Its the way we play. I think we need to review this. I think we have above average forwards for the league in Campbell, Leaburn and Kelman and we have to find a way to play all three of them and serve them better.SoundAsa£ said:Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.5 -
I'd be interested to see if a Leaburn-Kelman partnership would work in a similar way to a Leaburn-Williams partnership (one for the youngsters there)CAFCsayer said:
Still think Kelman will do the business in this league. Play him off of Leaburn, with TC one side and Karlan the other sideDOUCHER said:
I think you’re right2121 said:Top of league for non -ariel duels won you say? Runs everywhere, closes everything down? Can win knock ons yet there is no1 in front of him?
I standby that we should play him behind the striker5 -
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Leaburn - Mendonca equivalent is what we really want / need. Sad we only had it for half a season but we did get promoted at the end of italiwibble said:
I'd be interested to see if a Leaburn-Kelman partnership would work in a similar way to a Leaburn-Williams partnership (one for the youngsters there)CAFCsayer said:
Still think Kelman will do the business in this league. Play him off of Leaburn, with TC one side and Karlan the other sideDOUCHER said:
I think you’re right2121 said:Top of league for non -ariel duels won you say? Runs everywhere, closes everything down? Can win knock ons yet there is no1 in front of him?
I standby that we should play him behind the striker4 -
Leaburn mbick. End. Fin.1
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Leaburn, TC, Kelman, Grant could be great when we have the ball.
But there lies the big problem with the idea. Even when we have a game like Pompey at home, a couple of weeks ago, where I think "we've been well on top for most of this game" we still often still fail to break 50% possession. In games where we are not on top, we are often (well) below 40% possession.
We simply do not have the ball that much. And that's partly by design but is probably not intended to be to the extent we have been seeing in some games.
Most teams play some variation of a 3 man centre midfield, or even a 4 player box, these days. Kelman is a centre forward. His best games for us have actually come when has played as the central, lone, No. 9 (e.g. Hull at home last year), and it's how he played for Orient when he scored all those goals. On the attacking side of the No. 10 role, I think he has the intelligence of movement and has shown flashes of vison and passing (e.g. his assist for Dykes vs, was it, Bristol City?), and he can certainly spank a ball into the top corner from the edge of the box. However, he is not a playmaker in the true sense of the word, playing with his head up, knowing what his next pass is before he's even been given the ball.
And on the defensive side, he simply is not going to naturally track runs or drop into spaces to bolster the midfield and prevent overloads. That will put a lot of pressure on Coventry/Skipp/Chalobah or whoever. I think we're already seeing that effect, to an extent, with Grant in there; and I think Grant is a bit more of a naturally defensive minded forward than Kelman would be. It's something that got horribly exposed vs Cardiff.
Sure, we can stick Kelman in there and hope it somehow turns us into such an irresistible attacking force that no team can repel us, but I think it's more likely to expose us to even more spankings from any possession based sides.
Getting Carey back to his best form or Knibbs stepping up is probably a better hope, but neither of those look super likely right now either.
Reality is, it'll be about finding a work around (maybe a formation shift) until we can (hopefully) bring in a proper creative, but defensively switched on, number 10 in January - but that'll be easier said than done.4 -
We definitely have to create more chances. I'm not sure if we need to be a possession team to do that. Hull got promoted last year and were 19th in the league for keeping possession - but they scored 70 goals to our 44. Millwall have been doing alright without a lot of the ball too.
There is a way, and I fancy that will have to be the route we take, because I can't see us transforming into a team that can dominate the ball at this level.
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Playing two strikers and two wingers would be a terrible idea.The Red Robin said:
You could play both and Kelman takes Alli’s place.ct_addick said:NJ please play Kelman off the shoulder of Leaburn…please don’t play Grant6 -
Agreed. My point is, if you want to play with a natural No.9 at No.10 (i.e. Kelman) and two out and out wingers/wide forwards (i.e. TC and Grant), you need control of the ball as the way to protect your outnumbered midfield. If we're set up that attacking but then continue to spend two-thirds of the game chasing an opponent for the ball I think it would be inevitable that we would get exposed in the centre of midfield - and often.Chunes said:We definitely have to create more chances. I'm not sure if we need to be a possession team to do that. Hull got promoted last year and were 19th in the league for keeping possession - but they scored 70 goals to our 44. Millwall have been doing alright without a lot of the ball too.
There is a way, and I fancy that will have to be the route we take, because I can't see us transforming into a team that can dominate the ball at this level.3 -
I agree. I think three up front could be tried. The players mentioned have enough abilty to play flecibly IMO.arny23394 said:
Playing two strikers and two wingers would be a terrible idea.The Red Robin said:
You could play both and Kelman takes Alli’s place.ct_addick said:NJ please play Kelman off the shoulder of Leaburn…please don’t play Grant0 -
Don’t think there’s a system we can play that gets them all to work. Can’t play a 442/424 because we haven’t got a midfield that are good enough to manage in a 2. Playing a front 3 means either Kelman or Leaburn won’t be up top and playing a front 2 means TC can’t be a LW.MuttleyCAFC said:
It’s the way we play. I think we need to review this. I think we have above average forwards for the league in Campbell, Leaburn and Kelman and we have to find a way to play all three of them and serve them better.SoundAsa£ said:Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.Although the frontline debate does feel a bit pointless without sorting the service first. The midfield 5 besides TC just isn’t working at present2 -
We have essentially been playing 424 and it hasn’t worked at all .Crispywood said:
Don’t think there’s a system we can play that gets them all to work. Can’t play a 442/424 because we haven’t got a midfield that are good enough to manage in a 2. Playing a front 3 means either Kelman or Leaburn won’t be up top and playing a front 2 means TC can’t be a LW.MuttleyCAFC said:
It’s the way we play. I think we need to review this. I think we have above average forwards for the league in Campbell, Leaburn and Kelman and we have to find a way to play all three of them and serve them better.SoundAsa£ said:Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.Although the frontline debate does feel a bit pointless without sorting the service first. The midfield 5 besides TC just isn’t working at present0 -
Out of possession it’s more a 442 but in possession where we struggle it’s definitely a 4231wmcf123 said:
We have essentially been playing 424 and it hasn’t worked at all .Crispywood said:
Don’t think there’s a system we can play that gets them all to work. Can’t play a 442/424 because we haven’t got a midfield that are good enough to manage in a 2. Playing a front 3 means either Kelman or Leaburn won’t be up top and playing a front 2 means TC can’t be a LW.MuttleyCAFC said:
It’s the way we play. I think we need to review this. I think we have above average forwards for the league in Campbell, Leaburn and Kelman and we have to find a way to play all three of them and serve them better.SoundAsa£ said:Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.Although the frontline debate does feel a bit pointless without sorting the service first. The midfield 5 besides TC just isn’t working at present0 -
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Semantics . 4231 is essentially 442, with a main striker and someone in the pocket. Either way, it doesn’t work when you have no mobility in midfield and little creativity anywhere .Crispywood said:
Out of possession it’s more a 442 but in possession where we struggle it’s definitely a 4231wmcf123 said:
We have essentially been playing 424 and it hasn’t worked at all .Crispywood said:
Don’t think there’s a system we can play that gets them all to work. Can’t play a 442/424 because we haven’t got a midfield that are good enough to manage in a 2. Playing a front 3 means either Kelman or Leaburn won’t be up top and playing a front 2 means TC can’t be a LW.MuttleyCAFC said:
It’s the way we play. I think we need to review this. I think we have above average forwards for the league in Campbell, Leaburn and Kelman and we have to find a way to play all three of them and serve them better.SoundAsa£ said:Reminds me more and more of his dad.
He’s actually showing some of the best footballing form of his career…..however, he’s doing it in the wrong part of the pitch, hence like his dad, he’s not much of goal threat in the final third.Although the frontline debate does feel a bit pointless without sorting the service first. The midfield 5 besides TC just isn’t working at present0 -
Nice little interview with Miles on Cawley's Substack this morning0
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I actually think Miles has looked brilliant this season despite the lack of goals, if he can add consistent goalscoring to his game, he'll be another one that could move on and up quite quickly, but think he's doing the job of a target man in difficult circumstances really really well and we're seeing a level of commitment I don't think we've seen from Miles until this season, keep at it son18
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Yep if miles started scoring he’d be in the prem in no time. He has the physical attributes to succeed there.YannTheMann said:I actually think Miles has looked brilliant this season despite the lack of goals, if he can add consistent goalscoring to his game, he'll be another one that could move on and up quite quickly, but think he's doing the job of a target man in difficult circumstances really really well and we're seeing a level of commitment I don't think we've seen from Miles until this season, keep at it son4 -
The most impressive thing for me so far is he hasn't let his head drop because he isn't scoring. He's actually busting a gut even more to get in the box, he's clearly so hungryYannTheMann said:I actually think Miles has looked brilliant this season despite the lack of goals, if he can add consistent goalscoring to his game, he'll be another one that could move on and up quite quickly, but think he's doing the job of a target man in difficult circumstances really really well and we're seeing a level of commitment I don't think we've seen from Miles until this season, keep at it son10 -
Diebythesword said:
Yep if miles started scoring he’d be in the prem in no time. He has the physical attributes to succeed there.YannTheMann said:I actually think Miles has looked brilliant this season despite the lack of goals, if he can add consistent goalscoring to his game, he'll be another one that could move on and up quite quickly, but think he's doing the job of a target man in difficult circumstances really really well and we're seeing a level of commitment I don't think we've seen from Miles until this season, keep at it son
I would guess at that he will be a 1 goal in 4 striker when he looks back on his career statistics.
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What’s frustrating as he showed signs of being a goalscorer in L1, especially that first season. He scored a good variety of goals, inside and occasionally outside the box, scoring with his feet or head, that clever flick away up north somewhere, a great lob in a home game. He showed he has technical ability and composure in front of goal.ElfsborgAddick said:Diebythesword said:
Yep if miles started scoring he’d be in the prem in no time. He has the physical attributes to succeed there.YannTheMann said:I actually think Miles has looked brilliant this season despite the lack of goals, if he can add consistent goalscoring to his game, he'll be another one that could move on and up quite quickly, but think he's doing the job of a target man in difficult circumstances really really well and we're seeing a level of commitment I don't think we've seen from Miles until this season, keep at it son
I would guess at that he will be a 1 goal in 4 striker when he looks back on his career statistics.
His role frees up others to score goals, especially TC, but he doesn’t anticipate like Godden does, or finish as clinically as Godden or Kelman. We need to create more for him as a team, but he also needs to convert more of the good chances and get himself in better positions with his movement.
If it clicks for him like the other side of the game has started to he’ll be a very good player at this level, even if that only means 10 or so goals a season.5 -
Feels like previously when he’s scored goals it’s been in patches of good form, feel like once he gets one he will go on a bit of a run
Might help now we have Kelman back, Leaburn might get a chance to come on as a sub when the game is a bit more open and stretched which might give him more opportunities to score2 -
Seen a few comments on social media calling for him to be dropped as he hasn't scored yet. Madness! Yes it's disappointing he's yet to score yet, but he offers so much more than that - can't believe people can't see that.12
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The prime objective for a striker is to score goals.cafcsinger said:Seen a few comments on social media calling for him to be dropped as he hasn't scored yet. Madness! Yes it's disappointing he's yet to score yet, but he offers so much more than that - can't believe people can't see that.
Leaburn has played 10 league games this season and has not scored a single goal.
I know he works hard and I know what he offers the team.
But the longer he goes without a goal it's hardly surprising some fans are calling for him to be dropped.9
