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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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Oh I don't expect him to be fit until the very back end of the window so he'll be around with us until January probably anyway. I'd still be looking to sign an experienced target man anyways to replace Dykes.LargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.0 -
He’s coming off the back of quite a serious injury. I don’t see Brighton renewing their interest until Mbick proves his fitness with games. I don’t see that being with Charlton just yet. I think he’ll get a loan but maybe to league one this time. He does well and shows he’s over the injury and Brighton could well come in again in January. I just don’t see him in Jones plans just yet. Maybe ever if a big bid comes in.NabySarr said:
I think it’s very likely Mbick is in our squad next season. Otherwise I’m sure he’d have been pushing a lot more to move to Brighton, and may do so this summer if we don’t plan on using him in our squad. If we’re just going to loan him out to league 1, then he can do that from Brighton for probably 10x the money. I’d assume we’ve told Mbick he will be in our squad next season as otherwise he will want out and rightly soLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.0 -
I’d personally cash in on Mbick and build the squad.2
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The £3-5m we might get wouldn’t buy us much, as we’ve seen in the last two windows.The Red Robin said:I’d personally cash in on Mbick and build the squad.
He’s on a long term contract so I’d rather take the chance he really takes to Championship football. If he does then being a young English striker he’s easily worth £10m+.10 -
I think Leaburn and TC still have a lot to offer and will be decent Championship players at minimum. They’re certainly both worth keeping in my opinion.
It’s the likes of Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry that need replacing as we plan to progress.
For Miles, he’s spent about four years already up to this point where when he’s fit, he’s been thrown into the team. The last few months are the first instance I can remember where he’s not been that and I think that’s probably a good thing for his progression and career longevity.Too many young players burn out early with injuries when they overplay as a young, developing player.9 -
Just seen why Miles might've been off his game in recent months......2
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Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level4
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OR - accept he isn’t that type of player and play to his strengths instead.Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level2 -
That’s 100% not Nathan Jones modus operandi. It’s his way or the highwayThe Red Robin said:
OR - accept he isn’t that type of player and play to his strengths instead.Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level0 -
If we try to play to how Leaburn wants to play his ceiling is only going to be so high because he’s never going to have the pace/movement others have because of his frame that’s just physiology.The Red Robin said:
OR - accept he isn’t that type of player and play to his strengths instead.Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new levelBut if you can build him up physically which is very possible with gym graft a lean bulk and toughen him up he can become so much better it’s just whether he’s willing to accept that and put the effort in.Combine that with the fact he actually he has decent pace for a typical target man when we compare him to the Stockley’s Aneke’s Dykes we’ve had previously there is a lot of potential there1 -
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I think Leaburn has come on loads this year in the target man role. It’s difficult for us to see the development because we’ve gone up a level, if we’d still been in league 1 I think his improvement would have been a lot more noticeable11
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Well yes, probably the majority agree, but how easy is it to change someone's personality?Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level
Miles clearly doesn't enjoy rough housing other players, so how will that change?
Would you be able to mould Tyreece Campbell into a George Dobson type (forgetting positions).
Some players revel in getting "stuck in" and some players don't like it and some shy away.0 -
Sell Leaburn keep Mbick1
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I think we need to decide if our lack of goals at championship level were down to not enough quality in midfield, hence lack of creation, our strikers just not being up to it, or a combination of both. My opinion is it’s the last option which makes me think we will see a lot of change in those areas as I don’t see Leaburn, TC, massively improving, yet, I think we will see some interesting decisions made not to everyone’s liking, just have a feeling 🤷🏻♂️3
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I saw a photo of her too . She’d certainly distract me !Gribbo said:Just seen why Miles might've been off his game in recent months......0 -
Maybe it is hard for him to change his personality but end of the day that’s going to cost him a future at Charlton and a better career if he doesn’t, just comes down to how badly he wants it.Covered End said:
Well yes, probably the majority agree, but how easy is it to change someone's personality?Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level
Miles clearly doesn't enjoy rough housing other players, so how will that change?
Would you be able to mould Tyreece Campbell into a George Dobson type (forgetting positions).
Some players revel in getting "stuck in" and some players don't like it and some shy away.0 -
I totally agree.Crispywood said:
Maybe it is hard for him to change his personality but end of the day that’s going to cost him a future at Charlton and a better career if he doesn’t, just comes down to how badly he wants it.Covered End said:
Well yes, probably the majority agree, but how easy is it to change someone's personality?Crispywood said:Leaburn’s arguably biggest weakness is he doesn’t play how he’s supposed to rather than particularly lacking huge parts from his game. If Jones gives him a whole 3 months of gruesome physical training and the mentality he can rough up defenders you potentially have a different player completely.I don’t think there’s anyone who would benefit from a preseason as much as Leaburn this summer. Especially when you consider it’s the first time he’s injury free and not had to switch to a new level
Miles clearly doesn't enjoy rough housing other players, so how will that change?
Would you be able to mould Tyreece Campbell into a George Dobson type (forgetting positions).
Some players revel in getting "stuck in" and some players don't like it and some shy away.0 -
TC should just be seen as a winger so long as recruitment bring in someone to play on the right hand side. And with so many striker options hopefully we won't see TC played through the middle anymore.fenaddick said:
See the point but if (and its a big if) Godden can be fit for more than 50% of the season and we replace Dykes with another senior striker then Leaburn, Kelman and TC can rotate in those roles up top and hopefully learn with less pressureBedsaddick said:I think if we have ambition to progress , the likes of Leaburn probably have to be moved on or at the very least loaned out so we can bring some quality in .
Godden, Kelman, Leaburn (if not loaned out) and (Dykes/Mbick/new) should be seen as our strike force for next season, remove TC from that discussion completely and just let him play wide only is hopefully the plan.1 -
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I dont see miles playing up top.I like him and he is one of our own, but i can only see him being a menace on the right wing. Not up top.0
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I think this is a very good point. For me playing in a side with some midfield creativity and ability to enjoy good quality possession in the opposition’s half then both Kelman and Leaburn have shown they would be good Championship players. Would rather see our money spent on a new midfield than strikers who would have to live off scraps again next season.Sword65pf said:I think we need to decide if our lack of goals at championship level were down to not enough quality in midfield, hence lack of creation, our strikers just not being up to it, or a combination of both. My opinion is it’s the last option which makes me think we will see a lot of change in those areas as I don’t see Leaburn, TC, massively improving, yet, I think we will see some interesting decisions made not to everyone’s liking, just have a feeling 🤷🏻♂️4 -
Given that they're not planning to play him right away, I don't know that an injury would scare off all interest in Mbick. It might reduce the price, or change the payment structure, and maybe it means someone like Brighton will try to poach him on the cheap, but I doubt it scares them off entirely, especially if he doesn't require surgery and might be back in pre season. They'd be buying him for his potential, not for his ability right now, so in the grand scheme of things, a six month break isn't that huge for a player who wouldn't sniff their first team for at least another couple of years (if ever). For us, it's a different calculus.LargeAddick said:
Well a lot of this depends on how and when he recovers from his injury. If he’s not fit until September then a loan can be ruled out anyway. Similarly I can’t see a move to Brighton happening if he’s not fit.NabySarr said:
I think it’s very likely Mbick is in our squad next season. Otherwise I’m sure he’d have been pushing a lot more to move to Brighton, and may do so this summer if we don’t plan on using him in our squad. If we’re just going to loan him out to league 1, then he can do that from Brighton for probably 10x the money. I’d assume we’ve told Mbick he will be in our squad next season as otherwise he will want out and rightly soLargeAddick said:
Not aimed particularly at your comment but I think people are in danger of over hyping Mbick. He had a decent loan in League Two. League Two. We are in the Championship, it’s a massive leap. Kelman scored 20+ in League One last season and some fans think he hasn’t made the step up sufficiently. Now Nathan Jones is saying we won’t be shopping in League One this summer. And yet a young kid with 20 games in League Two might suddenly be the answer. In my opinion he’d be better served with another loan, League One if possible, and see how he handles that.MarcusH26 said:It feels like Miles has all the attributes NJ loves in a striker it's just can he stay fit and put it all together. Hopefully he develops in the summer otherwise I do wonder if he'll be jumped by Mbick.
I do think the Miles/Micah debate is one that will run into the summer and potentially beyond. I think Miles showed in flashes what he's capable of in the past few months. He was on a decent run of form when Dykes came in, and then was dropped in favor of a more experienced, more prototypical target man. As others have said, and as I've said before, I think Miles has technical and physical capabilities that Dykes could only dream of, but when you're a route one side playing direct football, Dykes is the one you want in a relegation scrap.
Next season needs to bring a reset. Everybody knows this. And with a better midfield and better service from wingbacks, it will be interesting to see what Leaburn and Mbick are capable of in the summer and potentially into the first few games of the season. I think Mbick is going to be mustard. I think Miles has the potential to be very good. I struggle to see us carrying both of them in one Championship season, so I expect one will be loaned out. A lot will obviously come down to how quickly/well Mbick recovers from his injury. So advantage Miles there. But I think Mbick has the higher ceiling, so advantage Micah in that regard. But Miles has more experience, and has now played and scored at League One and Championship level, so advantage Miles.
You see how this is going to go. I think it's going to be a close run thing. But we're in an enviable position in that we have two talented, young, homegrown, English center forwards--three attackers when you include TC. I don't think next season is the time to move either one on, I think both can impact a lot to grow their value next year, be it here or on loan.3 -
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AberystwythAddick said:Sell Leaburn keep Mbick
Are you saying that because if Brighton were interested in him he must be good 🤔
Both Nathan and Cowley have given Micah Mbick high praise.
It's difficult as NJ went OTT about Tyresse last season in League 1 and he does tend to use hyperbole.
Being 6ft 4in MM has a good height and physic whereas Miles can get muscled out by Championship CB's despite being taller.
Other than seeing Micah score a couple of goals in League 2 for Colchester I haven't felt he's a big talent on what I saw of him for Charlton so far but I appreciate he's only 19 now. I saw the potential in Karlan Grant at 17 and it was easy to see how Joe Gomez glided over the ground when he was the same age and destined for the Premiership. Both Aribo and Lookman, I only had to see once for the under 21's to spread the news of their talent.
I would need to see the sprinting stats for Leaburn as being 6ft 6in he can be slow of the mark before picking up speed. Miles needs a bit more devil to progress and accept if he wants to be a regular starter in the Championship he has to looked fired up similar to the Chelsea and his cameo against Swansea.
Can't see if Mbick is anywhere being a Championship player at present and just like Leaburn, injury struck at a bad time as he was getting 1st team mens football in League 2.
We wouldn't get much for Mbick up front and Leaburn's rating has slipped since a year ago so we have few ex academy players we can recoup much money at present.
The Elephant in the room is we would normally have sold one of the ex academy boys by now for a million of 5 by now if they had progressed.1 -
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Impressive from Miles considering his minutes played.12
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That stat tells me two things 1) Miles has really improved in that area of his game and 2) we probably lump the ball forward more than any other team in the championship4
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Remember when the narrative was that he was useless in the air?11
