Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)

elbiglad

I am such a big fan of Miles, but on Saturday he showed the things I think he is really lacking: a killer instinct and a reading of the game. TC put a very good ball into a dangerous area and Miles was nowhere to be seen. I have no doubt Godden would've been there to attack and likely score it - admittedly this is his best asset. 

It's clear he has the technical ability and physical profile to succeed at this level but he needs to work on his positioning, movement and anticipation. 

Scoham

elbiglad said:

I am such a big fan of Miles, but on Saturday he showed the things I think he is really lacking: a killer instinct and a reading of the game. TC put a very good ball into a dangerous area and Miles was nowhere to be seen. I have no doubt Godden would've been there to attack and likely score it - admittedly this is his best asset. 

It's clear he has the technical ability and physical profile to succeed at this level but he needs to work on his positioning, movement and anticipation. 

Exactly where I am with him. He’s had some good performances at this level, but the step up has really highlighted the difference in those areas between Godden and our other strikers, and the way physicality and energy gets chances in L1, but isn’t enough in this division.

Godden has usually had at least a couple of shots in all his appearances this season purely from that good movement. Our other strikers can go a few games barely getting any chances, regardless of whether they’re taller, stronger or quicker.

Worth sticking with him, he’s shown a good range of finishes in L1, if it clicks he can contribute with goals at this level. Not every striker has to be capable of scoring 20+.

Bedsaddick

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

elbiglad

Scoham said:

elbiglad said:

I am such a big fan of Miles, but on Saturday he showed the things I think he is really lacking: a killer instinct and a reading of the game. TC put a very good ball into a dangerous area and Miles was nowhere to be seen. I have no doubt Godden would've been there to attack and likely score it - admittedly this is his best asset. 

It's clear he has the technical ability and physical profile to succeed at this level but he needs to work on his positioning, movement and anticipation. 

Exactly where I am with him. He’s had some good performances at this level, but the step up has really highlighted the difference in those areas between Godden and our other strikers, and the way physicality and energy gets chances in L1, but isn’t enough in this division.

Godden has usually had at least a couple of shots in all his appearances this season purely from that good movement. Our other strikers can go a few games barely getting any chances, regardless of whether they’re taller, stronger or quicker.

Worth sticking with him, he’s shown a good range of finishes in L1, if it clicks he can contribute with goals at this level. Not every striker has to be capable of scoring 20+.

There was a really interesting interview with the Brentford owner Matthew Benham at the Sloan Sports Conference this year where he spoke of the importance of strikers generating or getting into scoring positions. An excerpt from a BBC article here as the intervew is/was behind a paywall:

"Any decent data model worth its salt would give Beto an upgrade [based on the performance against Brentford]," he said. "That is the case for any player who happens to make three one-on-ones in a single game, even if they happen to miss them.

"Typically for a one-on-one, the odds are 50/50 that you will score. You might say he's less efficient but the fact he is getting the positions for the shot is more important to us."

I am not a huge fan of xG and accept it has huge flaws, but in this instance it is useful. Miles has an xG of 3.18, with 35 shots and one goal across 1,991 minutes. Godden has an xG of 2.04, with 10 shots and one goal across 210 minutes. Perhaps it's unfair to compare a 22 year old Miles to a 34 year old Godden who is renowned for this skill, but it's clear this is the key area for improvement.

BigRedEvil

Does anyone have confidence if Leaburn was in the side ahead of Dykes he'd have as many goals and assists? I don't, he has some impact from the bench but needs to start showing he can do it at this level 

iaitch

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

NabySarr

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Exactly. You’re much more likely to turn Leaburn into a good championship striker than you are to buy a good championship striker with the money you’d get from selling him 

Croydon

Could argue that he could do with a loan to League One so that he can score some goals. 

Crispywood

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

His future probably depends on a lot of things. If you look at target man forwards has Mbick over taken him do we sign dykes permanently do we go in for Adebayo etc and then it’s how much money would we be able to get for Leaburn in the first place. His future feels like it can go either way

Garrymanilow

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

Who would we sell him to to fund Championship-level quality if he isn't Championship standard?

Bedsaddick

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Not a lot if any. 
It's not what we would get for him , it's that it would free a squad place and take him off the wage bill. The same goes for several other players in this team.  

Bedsaddick

NabySarr said:

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Exactly. You’re much more likely to turn Leaburn into a good championship striker than you are to buy a good championship striker with the money you’d get from selling him 

I've seen no signs of this happening under Jones. Maybe with a more progressive manager , maybe. 

Elthamaddick

NabySarr said:

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Exactly. You’re much more likely to turn Leaburn into a good championship striker than you are to buy a good championship striker with the money you’d get from selling him 

that's kind of my view as well

soapboxsam

Talking in the vernacular of horse racing on the flat, our two years olds from last season just haven't progressed and that would include Miles, TC and Anderson.

Anderson is grade 3 at best and at least he is getting a run out at Blackpool and not just on the beach.
Both Tyresse and Miles I thought would be stayers but just haven't come into their coats yet in group 2.
TC might benefit from blinkers and Leaburn from Cheekpieces.

Leaburn comes from a good sire in Carl and a lovely dam with our Tracey but even when Injury free his Championship career has had few highs other than when he showed some good touches against Chelsea when CAFC were totally outclassed at Newmarket. Some want to see him in a sellers at Fontwell but I want to him Leaburn over the straight mile.

It's horses for courses for CAFC this season and the Charlton stable is well out of form as we come to the business end of the season. The Welsh trainer Taffy Jones may have bitten off more than he can chew as Charltonitis is affecting the whole stable as even the early season winners like Carey and Coventry have turned into also-rans. Carey may have had too many oats but hay he deserved it for his early success when coming south from the Ginger McCain's yard now owned by son Donald.

Oxford are coming up on the rails while our horses legs have gone all wobbly.

Horse shit agonies for CAFC as we reach the final furlong.

Bedsaddick

soapboxsam said:

Talking in the vernacular of horse racing on the flat, our two years olds from last season just haven't progressed and that would include Miles, TC and Anderson.

Anderson is grade 3 at best and at least he is getting a run out at Blackpool and not just on the beach.
Both Tyresse and Miles I thought would be stayers but just haven't come into their coats yet in group 2.
TC might benefit from blinkers and Leaburn from Cheekpieces.

Leaburn comes from a good sire in Carl and a lovely dam with our Tracey but even when Injury free his Championship career has had few highs other than when he showed some good touches against Chelsea when CAFC were totally outclassed at Newmarket. Some want to see him in a sellers at Fontwell but I want to him Leaburn over the straight mile.

It's horses for courses for CAFC this season and the Charlton stable is well out of form as we come to the business end of the season. The Welsh trainer Taffy Jones may have bitten off more than he can chew as Charltonitis is affecting the whole stable as even the early season winners like Carey and Coventry have turned into also-rans. Carey may have had too many oats but hay he deserved it for his early success when coming south from the Ginger McCain's yard now owned by son Donald.

Oxford are coming up on the rails while our horses legs have gone all wobbly.

Horse shit agonies for CAFC as we reach the final furlong.

Stop talking pony 😉

EugenesAxe

50p head

Laddick01

Started slow, was playing really well and showed exactly what he could offer. An absolute monster against Chelsea and gave PL Centre backs issues. 

Then we brought in Dykes (who I still think is a seriously limited footballer) and his game time dwindled. 

I do think Miles is a 10x better footballer than Dykes, but he has to show some consistency because right now you either get a 9/10 or 1/10 performance.

Fitness and injury are also vital. I think he’s one more serious injury away from killing any progression.

LargeAddick

Garrymanilow said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

Who would we sell him to to fund Championship-level quality if he isn't Championship standard?

You couldn’t fund a purchase solely from his sale but you could use those funds towards purchasing a better forward.

Crispywood

Bedsaddick said:

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Not a lot if any. 
It's not what we would get for him , it's that it would free a squad place and take him off the wage bill. The same goes for several other players in this team.  

Get them off the wages is a term used for over paid players who are massively out of favour not 22 year olds who are active members of the 1st team  

Sword65pf

Like others the step up has probably been too much at the moment for him,he will be better for the experience, wouldn’t give up on him yet, I think he has the right attributes it’s now down to the coaches to improve him. A lot of our players have suffered losses of form recently, where earlier on in the season they looked like they have enough about them to play at the level.

Bedsaddick

Crispywood said:

Bedsaddick said:

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Not a lot if any. 
It's not what we would get for him , it's that it would free a squad place and take him off the wage bill. The same goes for several other players in this team.  

Get them off the wages is a term used for over paid players who are massively out of favour not 22 year olds who are active members of the 1st team  

Not very active though is he . 

Bostonaddick

There were some offers by championship clubs a little over a year ago in the 1-1.5 million range.  That’s not going to add a lot to the transfer budget. He is young and probably on the lower end of wages at the club and is under contract for another 2 years. Let him develop as a reserve.  The upside potential is worth the risk.  Now next year might be a different story with only a year left on his contract.

SDAddick

Laddick01 said:

Started slow, was playing really well and showed exactly what he could offer. An absolute monster against Chelsea and gave PL Centre backs issues. 

Then we brought in Dykes (who I still think is a seriously limited footballer) and his game time dwindled. 

I do think Miles is a 10x better footballer than Dykes, but he has to show some consistency because right now you either get a 9/10 or 1/10 performance.

Fitness and injury are also vital. I think he’s one more serious injury away from killing any progression.

Dykes may be limited, but he's often effective. I believe he's on three goals and three assists since joining us, which ain't bad in our set up.

Miles is talented but often ineffective. 

I think we have the right one playing for a relegation scrap. It's hard on Miles because he was starting to find some form just before Dykes joined, but it means he's going to need to make the best of his substitute appearances and hopefully learn from Dykes about what it takes to be a target man in this league*

*I know Miles can be more than a target man, but with his size and in a Nathan Jones team, he needs to be more effective at being a target man, and then we can discuss getting the ball into his feet and letting him play a bit.

superdulvertonred

Still like Miles has many god attributes. I certainly would persevere with him hate the thought of him full filling all his potential elsewhere 

AndyG

I like Miles as well but we are not in a position where we can take a punt on his potential imo. A year ago a lot of people on here were saying he was worth £10m ! After a season in the championship what do they think he is worth now ? It’s a difficult juggling act with young players isn’t it. The club apparently turned down £5m for Mbick didn’t they, now he is injured nobody knows how he is going to recover and if he has a poor season next year is he still worth £5m ?

Miles may well make the grade in a few years but he is nowhere near atm and I’m not sure he needs to be playing as a substitute target man for his development 

Fanny Fanackapan

SDAddick said:

Laddick01 said:

Started slow, was playing really well and showed exactly what he could offer. An absolute monster against Chelsea and gave PL Centre backs issues. 

Then we brought in Dykes (who I still think is a seriously limited footballer) and his game time dwindled. 

I do think Miles is a 10x better footballer than Dykes, but he has to show some consistency because right now you either get a 9/10 or 1/10 performance.

Fitness and injury are also vital. I think he’s one more serious injury away from killing any progression.

Dykes may be limited, but he's often effective. I believe he's on three goals and three assists since joining us, which ain't bad in our set up.

Miles is talented but often ineffective. 

I think we have the right one playing for a relegation scrap. It's hard on Miles because he was starting to find some form just before Dykes joined, but it means he's going to need to make the best of his substitute appearances and hopefully learn from Dykes about what it takes to be a target man in this league*

*I know Miles can be more than a target man, but with his size and in a Nathan Jones team, he needs to be more effective at being a target man, and then we can discuss getting the ball into his feet and letting him play a bit.

Surely the comparison between what Dykes can/is offering to the team & what Miles does, has to consider the amount of minutes each has spent on the pitch of late. 

Dykes has mainly been in the starting line up & plays the best part of games whilst Miles has been limited to bit parts.

With no alternative avenues to show what he is able to do , such as in a Reserve side, he is under huge pressure to perform from the minute he enters the pitch in order to impress. NO pressure, Miles....

Unless Dykes is injured, Miles has very little opportunity to "shine" IMHO. 

Keep Dykes & send Miles out on loan to aid his development, maybe for the 1st half of next season ? Unless MBick is fully fit and A N Other "big"  striker is signed , who else would replace our main striker if he gets a serious knock ? 

Wonder how Miles feels about his immediate future ? 

wmcf123

Elthamaddick said:

NabySarr said:

iaitch said:

Bedsaddick said:

I think we should definitely consider selling him so we can bring in some more quality. He has the odd good game but I don’t think he’s Championship standard.

How much do you think we'd get for him to buy that much needed quality?

Exactly. You’re much more likely to turn Leaburn into a good championship striker than you are to buy a good championship striker with the money you’d get from selling him 

that's kind of my view as well

I agree although playing up front in this team with no service from anywhere wouldn’t be much fun .  

CaptainRobbo

soapboxsam said:

Talking in the vernacular of horse racing on the flat, our two years olds from last season just haven't progressed and that would include Miles, TC and Anderson.

Anderson is grade 3 at best and at least he is getting a run out at Blackpool and not just on the beach.
Both Tyresse and Miles I thought would be stayers but just haven't come into their coats yet in group 2.
TC might benefit from blinkers and Leaburn from Cheekpieces.

Leaburn comes from a good sire in Carl and a lovely dam with our Tracey but even when Injury free his Championship career has had few highs other than when he showed some good touches against Chelsea when CAFC were totally outclassed at Newmarket. Some want to see him in a sellers at Fontwell but I want to him Leaburn over the straight mile.

It's horses for courses for CAFC this season and the Charlton stable is well out of form as we come to the business end of the season. The Welsh trainer Taffy Jones may have bitten off more than he can chew as Charltonitis is affecting the whole stable as even the early season winners like Carey and Coventry have turned into also-rans. Carey may have had too many oats but hay he deserved it for his early success when coming south from the Ginger McCain's yard now owned by son Donald.

Oxford are coming up on the rails while our horses legs have gone all wobbly.

Horse shit agonies for CAFC as we reach the final furlong.

Hopefully the screens won't have to be put up around us if we fall at the final fence this season.

CharltonManor1966

EugenesAxe said:

50p head

Blimey that must have been a good few years ago!?

thenewbie

Leaburn has a much higher (potential) ceiling than Dykes - but he has a much lower floor too and you don't know which will turn up. Most managers and particularly inherently conservative types like Jones are going to opt for a striker who is going to be consistently decent over one who is either excellent or terrible, on the basis at least they know what they are getting.