Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
It's not just a case I being indoors or at the football though, is it
But that’s the case we’re discussing.
What, going football or sitting indoors?
Well I suspect people who were going football might end up sitting indoors if it’s cancelled yes. What are you getting at here?
Simply that there's other things to do, particularly given what has happened, other than sit indoors, if the football is postponed for a couple if games.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that. You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them. And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.
Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation.
Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
No there isn’t this is a fair debate. You can express sorrow however you like, some get on with things others want to take time out.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
Why though? What exactly does it achieve?
As a mark of respect but more importantly to help put things into perspective. I personally feel like I have lost a family member and I am grieving - the country has lost its rock of 70 years. A short time for reflection is appropriate as far as I see it.
That's just me (and a lot of others I'm sure) but I respect the views of others who see it differently.
If one Premier League or EFL team decides, as it appears it is a club by club decision, to postpone then it is very likely all will be postponed.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
Why though? What exactly does it achieve?
It shows that we're a Nation in mourning.
Can understand people not agreeing with postponing fixtures, but surely it's an easy concept given the circumstances?
Why do we need to 'show' we're in moarning? Let people moarn how they want, forcing it for the spectacle of nationwide sadness is bizarre
Need to carry on, unfair on thousands who have booked trains/hotels. As a relief from stresses of every day life, the weekend/football is important. Meet up with friends and family and show our respect as well.
I can understand a difference of views and I can understand people being disappointed if fixtures are postponed but to be angry about it? Really?
We survived a couple of lockdown periods without Sport. Yes it will be boring but respectful, I'm sure we will all find something else to occupy us for a couple of weeks.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that. You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them. And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.
Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation.
Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
No there isn’t this is a fair debate. You can express sorrow however you like, some get on with things others want to take time out.
Exactly - we're supposed to sit in our houses moping for 10 days?
When I've had close ones die I've tried to keep busy.
I think one thing that will be taken into consideration is the fact that lots of people will suddenly want to use the train service tomorrow to get into London and hundreds of thousands of drunken football fans might not be ideal passenger companions.
All rail strikes have been called off for next week too.
End of an era that we'll never see again and we're saying there should be football (singing / chanting / etc) going down the road at QPR, Chelsea and Fulham, while the Queen is laying in state down the road (assuming She will be at Westminster Cathedral)
You wear black armbands and have a minutes silence when a former player passes away. This is another level and should very marked as such imo.
I don’t really understand the logic of cancelling every football fixture this weekend, surely a couple minutes silence/applause is a sufficient mark of respect?
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that. You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them. And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.
Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation.
Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
No there isn’t this is a fair debate. You can express sorrow however you like, some get on with things others want to take time out.
Can you honestly not see the juxtaposition of sorrow and enjoyment side by side? You can frame it however you want about that's how you express it but if someone told me they were deeply sad about something and I saw them out enjoying themselves I'd question if that were really true.
I think calling off this weekend’s fixtures would be appropriate. Cancelling them until the funeral wouldn’t add anything.
The funeral is likely to be next weekend. If that is the case then that will be 2 sets of fixtures cancelled.....and then have to be re-arranged. As its WC year there is already a tight schedule, esp for the PL. Not sure managers or players will be wanting to squeeze in 2 more midweek games somewhere.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
Why though? What exactly does it achieve?
It shows that we're a Nation in mourning.
Can understand people not agreeing with postponing fixtures, but surely it's an easy concept given the circumstances?
Why do we need to 'show' we're in moarning? Let people moarn how they want, forcing it fot the spectacle of nationwide sadness is bizarre
Isn't a big part of being in mourning, showing it? When we lose a family member, we don't generally show we're in mourning by doing something inappropriate do we?
End of an era that we'll never see again and we're saying there should be football (singing / chanting / etc) going down the road at QPR, Chelsea and Fulham, while the Queen is laying in state down the road (assuming She will be at Westminster Cathedral)
You wear black armbands and have a minutes silence when a former player passes away. This is another level and should very marked as such imo.
I think she still be in Scotland until next week.
I think she will be back in London at some point over the weekend and Lie in State at Westminster Hall from Monday. Hundreds of thousands will want to pay their respects in person and that will need sufficient time.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
It's not just a case I being indoors or at the football though, is it
But that’s the case we’re discussing.
What, going football or sitting indoors?
Well I suspect people who were going football might end up sitting indoors if it’s cancelled yes. What are you getting at here?
Simply that there's other things to do, particularly given what has happened, other than sit indoors, if the football is postponed for a couple if games.
I can understand a difference of views and I can understand people being disappointed if fixtures are postponed but to be angry about it? Really?
We survived a couple of lockdown periods without Sport. Yes it will be boring but respectful, I'm sure we will all find something else to occupy us for a couple of weeks.
Yes, angry. That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the service she gave.
End of an era that we'll never see again and we're saying there should be football (singing / chanting / etc) going down the road at QPR, Chelsea and Fulham, while the Queen is laying in state down the road (assuming She will be at Westminster Cathedral)
You wear black armbands and have a minutes silence when a former player passes away. This is another level and should very marked as such imo.
I think she still be in Scotland until next week.
Not sure tbh, but there'll be some sort of plan of action released at some point and personally think it would be respectful to postpone football fixtures during this time (possible 2 games)
I think calling off this weekend’s fixtures would be appropriate. Cancelling them until the funeral wouldn’t add anything.
The funeral is likely to be next weekend. If that is the case then that will be 2 sets of fixtures cancelled.....and then have to be re-arranged. As its WC year there is already a tight schedule, esp for the PL. Not sure managers or players will be wanting to squeeze in 2 more midweek games somewhere.
And this is it for me. It will lead to a fixture congestion so let's not call the games off. That's not a dig at you Golfie
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that. You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them. And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.
Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation.
Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
No there isn’t this is a fair debate. You can express sorrow however you like, some get on with things others want to take time out.
Can you honestly not see the juxtaposition of sorrow and enjoyment side by side? You can frame it however you want about that's how you express it but if someone told me they were deeply sad about something and I saw them out enjoying themselves I'd question if that were really true.
I can yes because sorrow can be shown in more ways than one. An individual can do it how they want. Some are not even in mourning.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
Why though? What exactly does it achieve?
It shows that we're a Nation in mourning.
Can understand people not agreeing with postponing fixtures, but surely it's an easy concept given the circumstances?
Why do we need to 'show' we're in moarning? Let people moarn how they want, forcing it fot the spectacle of nationwide sadness is bizarre
Isn't a big part of being in mourning, showing it? When we lose a family member, we don't generally show we're in mourning by doing something inappropriate do we?
Read Colts post above re' the meaning of Mourning
But why do we feel the need to force others to show it? Thousands flocked to Buckingham Palace last night to pay their respects and can continue to do so over the weekend to show it. Plenty of us took a moment to reflect and then just carried on with our lives. Some wont have even been bothered by the news at all. If people want to stop their lived and pay tribute no one is stopping them, but the idea that everything should stop for everyone is outdated in my opinion.
Why is football going ahead inappropriate? I could go ten pin bowling today if I fancied it, is that inappropriate?
Re Colts' post, every single person on this planet will process things differently so a dictionary definition of mourning isnt a valid point in this context.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that. You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them. And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.
Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation.
Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
No there isn’t this is a fair debate. You can express sorrow however you like, some get on with things others want to take time out.
Can you honestly not see the juxtaposition of sorrow and enjoyment side by side? You can frame it however you want about that's how you express it but if someone told me they were deeply sad about something and I saw them out enjoying themselves I'd question if that were really true.
This is total nonsense. Aside from the fact it's just silly to say that you can't have fun in a period when you've suffered a loss, grief sets in at different times. You're not recommended to have grief counselling until at the earliest three months after a loss, and people do a great number of different things in the aftermath; some react as you're expecting everyone to, some keep going to work and occupying their minds while processing it, some go out and get absolutely hammered as a means to work through it (or avoid it). Grief and mourning are complicated and there's no set way of carrying out your mourning. There doesn't need to be a grief police keeping an eye on the nature of people's mourning and telling them they're lying about being sad, I don't think that helps anyone.
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
It's not just a case I being indoors or at the football though, is it
But that’s the case we’re discussing.
What, going football or sitting indoors?
Well I suspect people who were going football might end up sitting indoors if it’s cancelled yes. What are you getting at here?
Simply that there's other things to do, particularly given what has happened, other than sit indoors, if the football is postponed for a couple if games.
@Pelling1993 made a valid point on the England cricket thread where friends have paid to travel down from Durham, paid for a hotel etc.
how many football fans are in a similar boat? Calling off all sports at this short notice (football aimed comment) is crazy when considering the cost to some when money might be tight
Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
People grieve in their own way. Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.
At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.
It's not just a case I being indoors or at the football though, is it
But that’s the case we’re discussing.
What, going football or sitting indoors?
Well I suspect people who were going football might end up sitting indoors if it’s cancelled yes. What are you getting at here?
Simply that there's other things to do, particularly given what has happened, other than sit indoors, if the football is postponed for a couple if games.
Sure, but why can’t sport be one of them.
For the reasons that have already been given.
Okay, so where’s the line, what fun can be had this weekend instead?
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There really should be one and it is a bad oversight that there isn't.
As a relief from stresses of every day life, the weekend/football is important. Meet up with friends and family and show our respect as well.
We survived a couple of lockdown periods without Sport. Yes it will be boring but respectful, I'm sure we will all find something else to occupy us for a couple of weeks.
All rail strikes have been called off for next week too.
The whole country will stop for the funeral.
Read Colts post above re' the meaning of Mourning
It will lead to a fixture congestion so let's not call the games off.
That's not a dig at you Golfie
Why is football going ahead inappropriate? I could go ten pin bowling today if I fancied it, is that inappropriate?
Re Colts' post, every single person on this planet will process things differently so a dictionary definition of mourning isnt a valid point in this context.
how many football fans are in a similar boat? Calling off all sports at this short notice (football aimed comment) is crazy when considering the cost to some when money might be tight