Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.

Kent CCC 2023

1149150151152154

Comments

  • Bowler of the Year: Grant Stewart

    Talk about the best of a bad bunch  :D
    I thought that but, to be fair, they did find a relatively valid reason for giving the award to him as his 24 Blast wickets beat Yasir Arafat's 2008 record of 23 in the competition. 
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/vitality-blast-2023-15160

    Fair enough, though his economy rate was also quite expensive (10.20)
  • I wonder if  Cook wanted to come in and shake a few things up and this may have been one of the decisions that he has made. DBD to be made captain over all formats or a split white ball and red ball skipper ?  
  • You can't have a Captain who's not playing regularly in the red ball team, for whatever reason. He could easily have stayed captain of the Blast side though, as he's a very good white ball captain who's captained most of his franchise clubs.
  • You can't have a Captain who's not playing regularly in the red ball team, for whatever reason. He could easily have stayed captain of the Blast side though, as he's a very good white ball captain who's captained most of his franchise clubs.
    The ironic part of the whole situation is that if you are looking for the future Crawley is probably the best choice , but he wont be around either at the moment. 
  • You can't have a Captain who's not playing regularly in the red ball team, for whatever reason. He could easily have stayed captain of the Blast side though, as he's a very good white ball captain who's captained most of his franchise clubs.
    I haven't a clue what Billings is on but I would be very surprised if it wasn't six figures. That's a lot of money if he's only going to play in The Blast for one month of the season, so I'm just wondering if there isn't a chance that he might go out on loan to one of the rich clubs who might be prepared to pay that sort of money (or even a fair proportion of that). We could then utilise that money to get someone in who would hold their place in all formats. Perhaps even that middle order overseas player to captain the side some have called for?
  • edited October 2023
    Someone who went to tonight's end of season dinner has said that Billings has announced that he is relinquishing the captaincy but intends to play white ball at least. Which, in reality, means that he will be available for the Blast and if selected and has no other commitments will also turn out in the CC. 
    If England hadn't called him up to the Test side down under, I can imagine Billings just concentrating on white ball 2 seasons ago.

    It didn't seem right having a county captain missing chunks of the season to play the IPL, but if he's just (mainly) a white ball player I have no problems with that.
    The only issue I have with it is that he has two years left of a three-year contract based on him being captain and playing in both red and white ball for which is only actual contribution might end up being a maximum of 14 T20 games in each. I can't see us being able to re-negotiate a salary that will probably be the highest in the Club and that in turn limits our financial ability to secure a suitable replacement. 
    How do u know he is on the same contract? I doubt he is.
  • Redhenry said:
    Someone who went to tonight's end of season dinner has said that Billings has announced that he is relinquishing the captaincy but intends to play white ball at least. Which, in reality, means that he will be available for the Blast and if selected and has no other commitments will also turn out in the CC. 
    If England hadn't called him up to the Test side down under, I can imagine Billings just concentrating on white ball 2 seasons ago.

    It didn't seem right having a county captain missing chunks of the season to play the IPL, but if he's just (mainly) a white ball player I have no problems with that.
    The only issue I have with it is that he has two years left of a three-year contract based on him being captain and playing in both red and white ball for which is only actual contribution might end up being a maximum of 14 T20 games in each. I can't see us being able to re-negotiate a salary that will probably be the highest in the Club and that in turn limits our financial ability to secure a suitable replacement. 
    How do u know he is on the same contract? I doubt he is.
    Because he signed an extension to his existing contract last July to the end of 2025. I'm really not sure that an employer can vary the terms of someone's contract because they have fallen out of form or favour because, effectively, you could say to someone like Logan that, as you haven't played for two years, we aren't paying you. 

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-signs-long-term-kent-contract-extension/#:~:text=Kent Cricket is delighted to,end of the 2025 season.
  • edited October 2023
    You can't have a Captain who's not playing regularly in the red ball team, for whatever reason. He could easily have stayed captain of the Blast side though, as he's a very good white ball captain who's captained most of his franchise clubs.
    I haven't a clue what Billings is on but I would be very surprised if it wasn't six figures. That's a lot of money if he's only going to play in The Blast for one month of the season, so I'm just wondering if there isn't a chance that he might go out on loan to one of the rich clubs who might be prepared to pay that sort of money (or even a fair proportion of that). We could then utilise that money to get someone in who would hold their place in all formats. Perhaps even that middle order overseas player to captain the side some have called for?
    The Blast is by far the most important competition commercially though. A successful Blast campaign and people might even pay to watch the stream  :D
  • You can't have a Captain who's not playing regularly in the red ball team, for whatever reason. He could easily have stayed captain of the Blast side though, as he's a very good white ball captain who's captained most of his franchise clubs.
    I haven't a clue what Billings is on but I would be very surprised if it wasn't six figures. That's a lot of money if he's only going to play in The Blast for one month of the season, so I'm just wondering if there isn't a chance that he might go out on loan to one of the rich clubs who might be prepared to pay that sort of money (or even a fair proportion of that). We could then utilise that money to get someone in who would hold their place in all formats. Perhaps even that middle order overseas player to captain the side some have called for?
    The Blast is by far the most important competition commercially though. A successful Blast campaign and people might even pay to watch the stream  :D
    I'm sure if we could get someone like Daryl Mitchell for the CC and The Blast then the stream will become over subscribed and break down as a result. Not that it really needs to be over subscribed for that to happen given the number of times we've had no pictures, no sound, no synch or even just nothing this season. 
  • Sponsored links:


  • edited October 2023
    Redhenry said:
    Someone who went to tonight's end of season dinner has said that Billings has announced that he is relinquishing the captaincy but intends to play white ball at least. Which, in reality, means that he will be available for the Blast and if selected and has no other commitments will also turn out in the CC. 
    If England hadn't called him up to the Test side down under, I can imagine Billings just concentrating on white ball 2 seasons ago.

    It didn't seem right having a county captain missing chunks of the season to play the IPL, but if he's just (mainly) a white ball player I have no problems with that.
    The only issue I have with it is that he has two years left of a three-year contract based on him being captain and playing in both red and white ball for which is only actual contribution might end up being a maximum of 14 T20 games in each. I can't see us being able to re-negotiate a salary that will probably be the highest in the Club and that in turn limits our financial ability to secure a suitable replacement. 
    How do u know he is on the same contract? I doubt he is.
    Because he signed an extension to his existing contract last July to the end of 2025. I'm really not sure that an employer can vary the terms of someone's contract because they have fallen out of form or favour because, effectively, you could say to someone like Logan that, as you haven't played for two years, we aren't paying you. 

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-signs-long-term-kent-contract-extension/#:~:text=Kent Cricket is delighted to,end of the 2025 season.
    But also they won't let somebody go and work elsewhere and pay the same salary.
  • edited October 2023
    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/george-garrett-joins-kent-on-two-year-deal/

    George Garrett signs. Underwhelming stats it has to be said. Was he the player spotted down at Canterbury last week?
  • https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/george-garrett-joins-kent-on-two-year-deal/

    George Garrett signs. Underwhelming stats it has to be said. Was he the players spotted down at Canterbury last week?

    Yes I believe he was the one working with Cook. Only 23 and somewhat unexposed given his somewhat limited opportunities at Warwickshire. However, I did watch him play for our 2s on the stream against Middx and Gloucester respectively. He didn't look overly impressive as reflected in his figures of 52-6-204-3. By comparison, in the same two matches, Jas Singh returned 57-10-283-13. For that reason, I would be extremely surprised is someone who will walk straight into the side but, there again, I'm not the bowling coach and now Director of Cricket. 
  • Redhenry said:
    Someone who went to tonight's end of season dinner has said that Billings has announced that he is relinquishing the captaincy but intends to play white ball at least. Which, in reality, means that he will be available for the Blast and if selected and has no other commitments will also turn out in the CC. 
    If England hadn't called him up to the Test side down under, I can imagine Billings just concentrating on white ball 2 seasons ago.

    It didn't seem right having a county captain missing chunks of the season to play the IPL, but if he's just (mainly) a white ball player I have no problems with that.
    The only issue I have with it is that he has two years left of a three-year contract based on him being captain and playing in both red and white ball for which is only actual contribution might end up being a maximum of 14 T20 games in each. I can't see us being able to re-negotiate a salary that will probably be the highest in the Club and that in turn limits our financial ability to secure a suitable replacement. 
    How do u know he is on the same contract? I doubt he is.
    Because he signed an extension to his existing contract last July to the end of 2025. I'm really not sure that an employer can vary the terms of someone's contract because they have fallen out of form or favour because, effectively, you could say to someone like Logan that, as you haven't played for two years, we aren't paying you. 

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-signs-long-term-kent-contract-extension/#:~:text=Kent Cricket is delighted to,end of the 2025 season.
    If Billings is available for the red ball matches and they don't pick him then they should pay him. If it is his choice (rather than the clubs ) to only play white ball i expect that there would have been some mutually agreed variation to his contract. I would be amazed if in these days of multiple competitions worldwide Kent have offered him a contract with no options or no way of recouping his salary from a third party franchise if he plays elsewhere. 
  • Redhenry said:
    Someone who went to tonight's end of season dinner has said that Billings has announced that he is relinquishing the captaincy but intends to play white ball at least. Which, in reality, means that he will be available for the Blast and if selected and has no other commitments will also turn out in the CC. 
    If England hadn't called him up to the Test side down under, I can imagine Billings just concentrating on white ball 2 seasons ago.

    It didn't seem right having a county captain missing chunks of the season to play the IPL, but if he's just (mainly) a white ball player I have no problems with that.
    The only issue I have with it is that he has two years left of a three-year contract based on him being captain and playing in both red and white ball for which is only actual contribution might end up being a maximum of 14 T20 games in each. I can't see us being able to re-negotiate a salary that will probably be the highest in the Club and that in turn limits our financial ability to secure a suitable replacement. 
    How do u know he is on the same contract? I doubt he is.
    Because he signed an extension to his existing contract last July to the end of 2025. I'm really not sure that an employer can vary the terms of someone's contract because they have fallen out of form or favour because, effectively, you could say to someone like Logan that, as you haven't played for two years, we aren't paying you. 

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/billings-signs-long-term-kent-contract-extension/#:~:text=Kent Cricket is delighted to,end of the 2025 season.
    If Billings is available for the red ball matches and they don't pick him then they should pay him. If it is his choice (rather than the clubs ) to only play white ball i expect that there would have been some mutually agreed variation to his contract. I would be amazed if in these days of multiple competitions worldwide Kent have offered him a contract with no options or no way of recouping his salary from a third party franchise if he plays elsewhere. 
    I've already responded to this above:

    Certainly in the case of being at the IPL I would expect a clause to be in the contract to cover that in the same way as it might for playing in the Hundred because he is receipt of remuneration for playing for another team in lieu of Kent. However, I'm not sure that this is quite the same situation in the respect that Billings might argue, as he did last season, that he was available to be selected in the CC, but wasn't picked. It was Kent's decision to leave him out and for him not to be red ball captain but to remain Club captain and to skipper in The Blast. Equally, if he were truly available only for white ball, in the strictest sense of the meaning, then he would have a contract similar to that of Blake who was then given a short term contract for red ball this season because we were so desperately short of players. If we were then to take that to nth degree, I can't believe that Logan's contract, financially, was in any way reduced for the fact that he didn't play for us for virtually two years. In that sense, perhaps, giving both Billings and Logan three-year contracts was a mistake. 
  • What does a player have to do in order to be awarded a Benefit? Is it on field contribution or longevity? Or a combination of the two? The reason I ask is that Alex Blake has been at the County for 25 years and played in the first team for 17 consecutive seasons and behind the scenes he has skippered the 2s in the course of the last couple of seasons too. So should he have been awarded one? 
  • i would have thought 10 years as first team regular
  • MrOneLung said:
    i would have thought 10 years as first team regular
    Which begs the question as to why Blake was never offered one? This is his response to leaving (there are some specific "thanks" and some that haven't been specified):

    image
    image
    image

  • I imagine he'll be hoping Sussex will offer him something, rather than having to up sticks to say Derbyshire or Worcestershire.
  • I imagine he'll be hoping Sussex will offer him something, rather than having to up sticks to say Derbyshire or Worcestershire.
    That might well be the case but, if he doesn't get a pro contract with a First Class county, there's a good chance that he'll end up playing for Cornwall where, I believe, his friend and Hayes team mate, Will MacVicar, is going to be player/coach next season. 
  • Sponsored links:


  • Derbyshire have released half a dozen players and the likes of Leus du Plooy (Middlesex) and George Scrimshaw (Northamptonshire) have moved counties. However, they've strengthened their squad, especially in white ball, with the signings of Pat Brown (Worcestershire), Aneurin Donald (Hampshire), David Lloyd (Glamorgan) and now former England international Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire) 
  • edited October 2023
    Daniel Bell-Drummond has been appointed the new Kent Captain. Difficult to argue with that given that he was our best player last season. Just hope that it doesn't affect his batting. Billings will remain Captain in The Blast though.

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/daniel-bell-drummond-appointed-club-captain-as-kent-men-captains-confirmed/
  • Decent choice, and am glad Bilbo is staying as T20 captain as he's a proven leader in short form cricket.

    Leaning will be disappointed, seeing that he's effectively captained us for most of the season, but some of his decision making was questionable.
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Kent should try and sign Kai Smith... They was offered him, but at that point, they had Cox, Billings and Robinson.. He went to Warwickshire, but I am sure if Kent offered him something he would sign.. He attends King School, family live in Kent, he is only 19 but a big future in front of him.
    Has he left Warwickshire because he played in half a dozen of their 50 over games? He kept just the once for them though and had scores of 19*, DNB, 12, 4*, DNB and 16. He also played two Warwickshire 2s games with scores of 27 and 54 but only turned out twice for his club, Sandwich - back in May with with scores of 24 and 20. Perhaps it was his school games, A Levels or injury that restricted his games on Cricket Archive I don't know. 

    As I say, I would be surprised if he isn't still attached to Warwickshire given his exposure in the Metro Cup. Buttleman, although certainly not statistically pulling up any trees, is considered by some members at Essex at being unlucky. I haven't seen him play much but have seen Kai Smith at fist hand and also Daniel O'Drisoll, recently released by Middlesex at first hand and wouldn't say that there is much between those two. 
    Kai hasn't left them no, they rate him highly, and was a bit unlucky this year in the One Day cup with Warwickshire having more players available.

    He has played a few more games for Warwickshire 2s, I believe he has 2 or 3 scores to his name. He left Sandwich at the start of the season, as they wanted him to play further up the line. He was playing for Harborne Cricket Club, and looks like he did okay.

    He is still young, and will only get better, I think he would be worth a punt, but having said that not sure Warwickshire are wiling to let him go yet.
    Kai Smith has just signed a two year rookie contract at Warwickshire 
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Kent should try and sign Kai Smith... They was offered him, but at that point, they had Cox, Billings and Robinson.. He went to Warwickshire, but I am sure if Kent offered him something he would sign.. He attends King School, family live in Kent, he is only 19 but a big future in front of him.
    Has he left Warwickshire because he played in half a dozen of their 50 over games? He kept just the once for them though and had scores of 19*, DNB, 12, 4*, DNB and 16. He also played two Warwickshire 2s games with scores of 27 and 54 but only turned out twice for his club, Sandwich - back in May with with scores of 24 and 20. Perhaps it was his school games, A Levels or injury that restricted his games on Cricket Archive I don't know. 

    As I say, I would be surprised if he isn't still attached to Warwickshire given his exposure in the Metro Cup. Buttleman, although certainly not statistically pulling up any trees, is considered by some members at Essex at being unlucky. I haven't seen him play much but have seen Kai Smith at fist hand and also Daniel O'Drisoll, recently released by Middlesex at first hand and wouldn't say that there is much between those two. 
    Kai hasn't left them no, they rate him highly, and was a bit unlucky this year in the One Day cup with Warwickshire having more players available.

    He has played a few more games for Warwickshire 2s, I believe he has 2 or 3 scores to his name. He left Sandwich at the start of the season, as they wanted him to play further up the line. He was playing for Harborne Cricket Club, and looks like he did okay.

    He is still young, and will only get better, I think he would be worth a punt, but having said that not sure Warwickshire are wiling to let him go yet.
    Kai Smith has just signed a two year rookie contract at Warwickshire 
    Yes - heard few weeks back that is the case, understand includes red ball as well.
  • Interview with Matt Walker about the comings and goings. I have bolded the bits to me that seemed the most interesting.

    The 2023 domestic cricket season has been consigned to the record books and for Kent and coach Matt Walker it was a season of struggles with both the red and white ball.

    It was also the season that saw the end of an era at Canterbury with the departure of Paul Downton, the end of the Sam Billings era of being Club Captain along with the comings and goings of the playing staff. 

    We have sat down with Walker for his fullest and frankest interviews since Kent’s Great Escape on the Final Day of the Championship season, today our conversation ends with a look ahead to 2024 and some exciting signings that have already been announced. 

    Top of the list of incomings at Canterbury at the moment undoubtedly is the arrival of Matt Parkinson from Lancashire.

    When we were looking at our recruitment process and strategy for 2024, I do not think that we had a spin bowler at the top of the list.

    “His name came up and it seemed quite clear that he had his eye on coming to Kent for what I think could be a couple of reasons.”

    He has always bowled well here and has been a real thorn in our side over several years and just wanted to get away from Lancashire.

    “Really it was a no brainer on our behalf once the early discussions had taken place – the desire and the plan that he saw for the next few years of his career – and to have a cricketer of his level want to come to us is a huge coup!”

    “He’s still an international cricketer and he wants to play for Kent – he’s already had a taste of things in the Metro Cup and seems to have fallen in love with the place.”

    “He will make a huge impact across all formats of the game giving us a big boost – his numbers are exceptional.”

    “We are thrilled about it and gives us a wicket taking threat for a side that struggled to get twenty wickets in a game last year!” 

    “George Garrett comes to us from Warwickshire – he’s a young bowler who has struggled to get into their attack because of the quality that they have.”

    “We have been very impressed with him – a young bowler who is very assured of himself, who has an action that is very repeatable and very consistent, and we see him fitting into our group.”

    “He’s a signing that we like to make – young cricketers who are a little bit lost and cannot seem to progress at the County that they are in and hopefully he will take up the reigns with us and we can improve him, giving him the opportunity as he fits into our bowling squad.” 

    Walker then confirmed that Wes Agar will be returning to Canterbury.

    “Wes has signed,” he said. “It was done very early and was another no-brainer; he loved his time with us, and we loved having him – he was the perfect overseas player really; a really good man, real professional who cares deeply.”

    “His work rate and his effort and what he did on the field for us was… you really could not ask for anymore – definitely the sort of bloke that you want around.”

    “People feed off that energy and that desire and passion – when it was proposed to him about coming back in 2024, he did not hesitate.”

    That is locked in which is great news as attracting overseas players next year is going to be even tougher because of the T20 World Cup in the USA and Canada.”

    “It will not be easy to have players here even for a short period of time, but Wes is available, and Wes is signed up!” 

    Whilst the incomings are welcome there are also those who will not be in Kent colours in 2024, and of those we spoke first about Jordan Cox

    “It was a little while ago now that Jordan’s decision was made,” the coach recalled.

    “People leave clubs for whatever reason and sometimes you understand them and sometimes maybe not so much and you respect it – you must.”

    “I have always said to myself that if a player wants to leave, you will try and stop them and do your best to convince them not to, but if that does not work, you shake them by the hand and wish them well.”

    “And that is exactly what happened with Coxy – I would like to think that we tried everything we could to keep him at the Club.”

    “We recognised his talent very early and gave him every opportunity he could have imagined. And as a Kent player who has gone through our system it is a slighter hard pill to swallow at such a young age.”

    “He will have his reasons – there’s probably a number of things and we wish him the very best and I think that we will miss a very good player who has done some very good things for us!” 

    That’s the modern game and players do want to move for a number of reasons, and I guess that we have to take it on the chin!” 

    Another player not returning after announcing his retirement is Michael Hogan, and Walker said, “Hoge’s stay was a short one for us and it was great to have him around this year.”

    It was only going to be a short-term thing – he did well for us. Certainly, in the T20 he really shone; he would have liked more wickets in the Championship and certainly his “five-fer” against Notts was a real highlight from where he’s really at as a senior bowler!”

    “For him to retire now was probably right for him at this time in his head – I think he’s been a credit to the Club; the boys have loved having him around as a senior player and will be a particularly good coach one day, I am sure of that.”

    “It has been great working with him and for what he offered this year was great!” 

  • edited October 2023
    Interesting to see that John Simpson has left Middx to join Sussex. Simpson still had a year left of his contract but his release was agreed by mutual consent. Middx were relegated but the rumour is that this is part of the ECB insistence on them reducing their wage bill. Sussex already have three keepers in Tom Alsop, Oli Carter and Scotland U19 Charlie Tear. Middx released, prior to the end of the season, the lad I mentioned, Daniel O'Driscoll, who has been on trial with us and one or two other counties too and we are still a keeper short despite rumours that O'Driscoll or Will Buttleman, released by Essex, would be joining us. 
  • Thanks as always for the update, AA.
  • Interesting to see that John Simpson has left Middx to join Sussex. Simpson still had a year left of his contract but his release was agreed by mutual consent. Middx were relegated but the rumour is that this is part of the ECB insistence on them reducing their wage bill. Sussex already have three keepers in Tom Alsop, Oli Carter and Scotland U19 Charlie Tear. Middx released, prior to the end of the season, the lad I mentioned, Daniel O'Driscoll, who has been on trial with us and one or two other counties too and we are still a keeper short despite rumours that O'Driscoll or Will Buttleman, released by Essex, would be joining us. 
    I always find some late career sideways player moves slightly puzzling. Steven Finn also made the same move to Sussex a couple of years ago before retiring.
Sign In or Register to comment.

Roland Out Forever!