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Peter Varney asking for big crowd for Brighton match (Potential Buyers?)

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  • up_the_valley
    up_the_valley Posts: 4,186
    Each of the Mansour Group owners are billionaires in their own right.
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    eaststandmike said:
    se9addick said:
    I don’t like the sound of this…
    I doubt there is a takeover out there we will like, falling like a stone towards league two and a basket case of a club.

    Who in their right mind is going to buy us 
    I think that is the problem, what sane individual or what we can see as sane can present a way forward let alone arrest the slide downward, it's not all about the money they have, and Duchatelet had more than most, it's their vision that matters as much. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    MikeBaileysFanClub said:
    If Varney is OK with it that's fine by me.
    This isn’t anything to do with PV, AFAIK. It’s something that’s been around for a long while, but TS’s involvement was an obstacle.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,312
    Airman Brown said:
    MikeBaileysFanClub said:
    If Varney is OK with it that's fine by me.
    This isn’t anything to do with PV, AFAIK. It’s something that’s been around for a long while, but TS’s involvement was an obstacle.
    What's your take on this Rick? 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    edited December 2022
    eaststandmike said:
    se9addick said:
    I don’t like the sound of this…
    I doubt there is a takeover out there we will like, falling like a stone towards league two and a basket case of a club.

    Who in their right mind is going to buy us 
    Absolutely. The perception that some kind of a knight in shining armour turning up and spending zillions and running the club in a successful way are delusional.
    No sane multi millionaire is going to touch us purely on the fact that 15years ago we used to be good and used to get a few through the gate.

    I've said many times, the demographics of this football club have changed considerably over the years. League standing.Fan base location., Fan base age are the main few.
    I think at one time there was a chance to steer us to a good place but that has long since past. Crackpots and experiments are about as good as it's going to get for us nowadays.
  • Stonewallpenalty19
    Stonewallpenalty19 Posts: 317
    Sounds like another circus to me.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,900
    carly burn said:
    eaststandmike said:
    se9addick said:
    I don’t like the sound of this…
    I doubt there is a takeover out there we will like, falling like a stone towards league two and a basket case of a club.

    Who in their right mind is going to buy us 
    Absolutely. The perception that some kind of a knight in shining armour turning up and spending zillions and running the club in a successful way are delusional.
    No sane multi millionaire is going to touch us purely on the fact that 15years ago we used to be good and used to get a few through the gate.

    I've said many times, the demographics of this football club have changed considerably over the years. League standing.Fan base location., Fan base age are the main few.
    I think at one time there was a chance to steer us to a good place but that has long since past. Crackpots and experiments are about as good as it's going to get for us nowadays.
    I don't agree with this - i think a club's fortunes can turn around very quickly - its wen managers and owners get it wrong that the 'years to turn it around' nonsence gets trotted out - if we can turn around the years of decline that went on in the 60's, 70's and 80's, the same can happen now - we are much more easily turned around now because we don't have the obstacle of a ground that is suffering from long term inertia - whether we own it or not.    
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    Airman Brown said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Airman Brown said:
    MikeBaileysFanClub said:
    If Varney is OK with it that's fine by me.
    This isn’t anything to do with PV, AFAIK. It’s something that’s been around for a long while, but TS’s involvement was an obstacle.
    What's your take on this Rick? 
    Have to see what it looks like in detail. They don’t have to run Charlton exactly like Nordsjaelland and may not be able to do so. 

    If they buy The Valley and TS goes then these would be positives. If neither of those I would be sceptical. Unfortunately, we don’t get to choose, but any new owners could have positives and negatives and we wouldn’t necessarily know what they are at the outset, as history shows..
    TS staying and continuing to control of team affairs would continue to empty the stands. He's the single reason we are where we are and the Sandgaards have clearly demonstrated they have no idea how to run this Football club. 
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  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,900
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,738
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 

    .
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 
    I think you are giving PV too much credit if you think his cunning plan is to get a big crowd in and then turn on TS.
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,738
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 

    .
    Ooops ! 

    2 points from @DOUCHER's post.

    First, surely if "the crowd " would be likely to turn on TS , then some co-ordination of vocal protests would be necessary ? Otherwise, however poorly the lads might be playing, it's likely to be spasmodic & inevitably drowned out by the Seagulls' hordes cheering on their team to double figures...

    Second, are you sure that our owner will be at the match ? In his absence, any form of protest would prove to be less effective IMO. Our fans are more likely to walk out should a heavy defeat be on the cards. 
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,900
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 

    .
    Ooops ! 

    2 points from @DOUCHER's post.

    First, surely if "the crowd " would be likely to turn on TS , then some co-ordination of vocal protests would be necessary ? Otherwise, however poorly the lads might be playing, it's likely to be spasmodic & inevitably drowned out by the Seagulls' hordes cheering on their team to double figures...

    Second, are you sure that our owner will be at the match ? In his absence, any form of protest would prove to be less effective IMO. Our fans are more likely to walk out should a heavy defeat be on the cards. 
    It may be that the protest coordinators from the duchatalet era realise they may need to be a bit cuter about things this time around - there again, its probably nothing but a  genuine request by PV but i never rule anything out  
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    DOUCHER said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 

    .
    Ooops ! 

    2 points from @DOUCHER's post.

    First, surely if "the crowd " would be likely to turn on TS , then some co-ordination of vocal protests would be necessary ? Otherwise, however poorly the lads might be playing, it's likely to be spasmodic & inevitably drowned out by the Seagulls' hordes cheering on their team to double figures...

    Second, are you sure that our owner will be at the match ? In his absence, any form of protest would prove to be less effective IMO. Our fans are more likely to walk out should a heavy defeat be on the cards. 
    It may be that the protest coordinators from the duchatalet era realise they may need to be a bit cuter about things this time around - there again, its probably nothing but a  genuine request by PV but i never rule anything out  
    This is complete fantasy!
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,900
    Airman Brown said:
    DOUCHER said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    DOUCHER said:
    cabbles said:
    This isn’t a dig at Varney, more an observation that he could be responsible for managing to convince a few thousand more individuals to come to the Brighton game than would’ve done, only to potentially see us get the biggest pasting we’ve had in a while if his contacts have fallen out the picture 😂

    I know the game has since taken on more context however in that fans can show their displeasure at TS 
    I haven't rule out it as being a clever way by PV of hastening TS's departure by getting a  big crowd in to turn on him whilst witnessing a footballing massacre - however, i'm hope there is something genuine behind his request and believe there probably is. 

    .
    Ooops ! 

    2 points from @DOUCHER's post.

    First, surely if "the crowd " would be likely to turn on TS , then some co-ordination of vocal protests would be necessary ? Otherwise, however poorly the lads might be playing, it's likely to be spasmodic & inevitably drowned out by the Seagulls' hordes cheering on their team to double figures...

    Second, are you sure that our owner will be at the match ? In his absence, any form of protest would prove to be less effective IMO. Our fans are more likely to walk out should a heavy defeat be on the cards. 
    It may be that the protest coordinators from the duchatalet era realise they may need to be a bit cuter about things this time around - there again, its probably nothing but a  genuine request by PV but i never rule anything out  
    This is complete fantasy!
    thought it might be 
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    So is this turning from a game where we were trying to show PV’s interested buyer that the attendances/support can improve under new ownership to a Sandgaard Out protest? 
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Bailey said:
    Airman Brown said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Airman Brown said:
    MikeBaileysFanClub said:
    If Varney is OK with it that's fine by me.
    This isn’t anything to do with PV, AFAIK. It’s something that’s been around for a long while, but TS’s involvement was an obstacle.
    What's your take on this Rick? 
    Have to see what it looks like in detail. They don’t have to run Charlton exactly like Nordsjaelland and may not be able to do so. 

    If they buy The Valley and TS goes then these would be positives. If neither of those I would be sceptical. Unfortunately, we don’t get to choose, but any new owners could have positives and negatives and we wouldn’t necessarily know what they are at the outset, as history shows..
    TS staying and continuing to control of team affairs would continue to empty the stands. He's the single reason we are where we are and the Sandgaards have clearly demonstrated they have no idea how to run this Football club. 
    No new owner would allow him to have any control of team affairs. Pretty sure of that.  
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    edited December 2022
    I can see this being a very good way out for TS, he gets either a tiny stake in Right to Dream, or first dibs on a share in a US based project with them, that soothes his ego and gives him something to brag about (I bought a small football team in England and leveraged that into a stake in one of the largest/best football academies in the world, blah blah blah)

    I don't necessarily have a problem with a network, I always though RD's problem wasn't with the network idea, but the brain dead way he implemented it. Eventually there will be fewer professional clubs in this country, it's been clear for a very long time the current situation isn't sustainable. When it happens those that are left will fall into 2 categories, international power house brands who probably own networks, and everybody else who is probably part of a network of some sort. Truly independent successful clubs will definitely be in the minority, if such a thing exists in 20 years.
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  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    randy andy said:
    I can see this being a very good way out for TS, he gets either a tiny stake in Right to Dream, or first dibs on a share in a US based project with them, that soothes his ego and gives him something to brag about (I bought a small football team in England and leveraged that into a stake in one of the largest/best football academies in the world, blah blah blah)

    I don't necessarily have a problem with a network, I always though RD's problem wasn't with the network idea, but the brain dead way he implemented it. Eventually there will be fewer professional clubs in this country, it's been clear for a very long time the current situation isn't sustainable. When it happens those that are left will fall into 2 categories, international power house brands who probably own networks, and everybody else who is probably part of a network of some sort. Truly independent successful clubs will definitely be in the minority, if such a thing exists in 20 years.
    Quite possibly.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,976
    I know I'm cynical but I fear we could get a new owner who allows TS to have some ownership. Then we have both RD and TS here. Stuff of nightmares.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Arsenetatters said:
    I know I'm cynical but I fear we could get a new owner who allows TS to have some ownership. Then we have both RD and TS here. Stuff of nightmares.
    Matt Southall CEO to put a tin hat on it!
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,188
    billysboots said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    Bought a ticket for this, not because Varney asked me to, but because I can't watch it on a stream. I have zero interest in going to Live games at the moment. Travelling, sitting in the cold bored shitless watching a team I have zero affliation with has no draw at all.

    If the weather is shit my ticket will probably go unused.
    Support the team not the regime 
    Disagree - I have done years of that, even through the RD saga.

    I’m done with paying a penny to any regime until real change comes.

    Real danger for CAFC is apathy and the fact even old fans like me have had enough.

    We can’t influence the club, other than through protest or simply not bothering.


  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,188
    Varney has no means to do anything other than introductions.

    So let’s say he has a potential “buyer” or “investors” and he introduces to TS and/or RD - what then?

    Varney is a true CAFC fan and his motives are superb, but the problem he has is that the “sellers” [in this case are TS and/or RD] have no interest in CAFC and are irrational.

    Unless TS is forced to do something, he would rather see the club go down and same applies to RD.

    Finally, who would trust either TS and/or RD to do anything in the real interests of our club? These guys are multi millionaires with big egos, who are also idiotic at the same time.

    Sadly, as I have predicted for months, we will decline further under these clowns and support will ebb away through apathy. Fans have really had enough.

    I fear for the future of our club and Varney has been on the fringes of finding a solution for years - I am not being critical of him - hats off for doing what he does, but I doubt he has any serious backers/buyers who will spend the kind of money the TS/RD circus will demand to sell the club they have been busy destroying since they took over.

    Needs huge protests to get TS/RD to sell out and give the club a chance to rebuild before it’s too late.

    Question then is ….which sensible buyer will come in ??

    Time to pray !!

  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,188
    And next…none of the rumoured buyers fill me with any confidence.


  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,127
    BigDiddy said:
    Varney has no means to do anything other than introductions.

    So let’s say he has a potential “buyer” or “investors” and he introduces to TS and/or RD - what then?

    <snip>

    Question then is ….which sensible buyer will come in ??

    Time to pray !!

    Did you say introductions? What’s your sort code?


  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,188
    Fumbluff said:
    BigDiddy said:
    Varney has no means to do anything other than introductions.

    So let’s say he has a potential “buyer” or “investors” and he introduces to TS and/or RD - what then?

    <snip>

    Question then is ….which sensible buyer will come in ??

    Time to pray !!

    Did you say introductions? What’s your sort code?


    Yes, I did! 

    PV would presumably get paid by the new owners if a deal went through - why else would he do all this running around?

    Unless he wants a job of course?

    Best ask him, or his people !
  • chev
    chev Posts: 242

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