January Transfer Window - Jan 2023 (Deadline Day starts page 112)

killerandflash

ricky_otto said:

MarcusH26 said:

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/right-to-the-wire-charlton-athletic-boss-expecting-transfer-window-drama-on-deadline-day/

Holden expecting to be busy until the deadline

Stockley out with a tight calf. 

“It’s nothing too serious at all. We can’t risk that.”

I really wanted that to be followed with “and to be honest, he is shit”

"We don't want his transfer to fall through"

RonnieMoore

Redmidland said:

Watching Gillette Soccer Saturday, just said that Jack Marriot not playing today as maybe being transferred. One we could be interested in?

Don’t think striker is one we will
be bringing in .. sounds like mid number 10 is one not sure on the other one and if we lose DJ and Kirk then a winger will be needed 

RonnieMoore

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

No Jaiyesimi or Kirk in the 18 today.

Surely we can offload these two, even if only on loan until the end of the season, before the transfer window shuts.

Plus no Stockley, Lavelle, Aneke, Thomas.

A lot of big earners not in the squad today.

Gallen has a lot to do over the next few days to make up for the crap recruitment over the last 2 seasons.

Aneke undergoing training program to get him fit 

LargeAddick

RonnieMoore said:

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

No Jaiyesimi or Kirk in the 18 today.

Surely we can offload these two, even if only on loan until the end of the season, before the transfer window shuts.

Plus no Stockley, Lavelle, Aneke, Thomas.

A lot of big earners not in the squad today.

Gallen has a lot to do over the next few days to make up for the crap recruitment over the last 2 seasons.

Aneke undergoing training program to get him fit 

Thanks but think we can all read what Holden tells the press.

Blucher

It'll be very hard to trim the squad in circumstances where the players that we want to unload - e.g. Kirk, DJ, Stockley - are (1) not very good and (2) on salaries which are beyond the wage structures of any clubs who might be interested in them. The best we can hope for is to shift a couple out on loan, in return for a contribution to their wages. Our recruitment in recent seasons has, with a couple of honourable exceptions, been lamentable. 

I can't see us paying a fee for anyone - especially in the current ownership limbo - and if there are one or two incomings, I'd expect them to be more short term loans. 

For me, the realistic priority must be to hang on to Leaburn and Dobson.

killerandflash

For all his frustrating nature, Kirk would benefit from playing with a left footed left back. Get Penney overlapping on the outside, giving Kirk space to cut inside.

sillav nitram

PWR

After saying early on, that business would be done sooner rather than later. We now have the familiar 'down to the wire' sound bite, no doubt followed by 'failed to get over the line at the death' 

Same old same old!

Cafc43v3r

mart77 said:

eaststandmike said:

Carl_bratton said:

Same old window under Thomas. Last minute deals and a likely statement from Holden at midnight to say one fell through 

And that statement would have been written at 2pm by the comms team

I think we’ll potentially see Kirk, DJ, Thomas and Stockley leave. We’ll have one loan arrival and get a message saying we were trying for more but we should be glad that we’ve kept Leaburn and Dobbo. The Man U money will never be mentioned again and the figures that have been working with/for TS will disappear and TS will be pleased as there will have been big savings ahead of his hopeful summer sale. 

What Manchester United money?   It just means we might break even for January.  Its the same as the season ticket money, Burstow money, Pope money or the next tranch of ELF money.

Then in the next breath the same people moan there is too much money in football.

If people think that every penny of income should be spent on new signings amd the owner should cover all the costs personally why not say that?   But any other club doing that "buy the league" and FFP is a joke. 

Garrymanilow

mart77 said:

“We’re ready for it. We need to trim the squad hopefully. Ideally we’d love to add as well.”

Didn’t like this comment from Holden. More and more seems like this ‘takeover’ is a smokescreen for TS cost cutting exercise.

The thing is, at this stage any League One team would be looking at trimming the squad in certain areas. We play one up front mostly and we have four strikers. One is often injured but that's still one too many. We've also got 5 wingers and it feels like two of those aren't fancied at all by the manager. Of all those players two of them are some of the highest earners in the squad. We've also got 5 first team CBs now. We really need a central midfielder to help us control games better but we should also be looking to get rid of Stockley and one of Kirk or DJ as well as Lavelle or they're just going to sit there eating into the budget doing nothing.

Bailey

Be nice to offload those who aren't even warming the bench. 

mart77

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

eaststandmike said:

Carl_bratton said:

Same old window under Thomas. Last minute deals and a likely statement from Holden at midnight to say one fell through 

And that statement would have been written at 2pm by the comms team

I think we’ll potentially see Kirk, DJ, Thomas and Stockley leave. We’ll have one loan arrival and get a message saying we were trying for more but we should be glad that we’ve kept Leaburn and Dobbo. The Man U money will never be mentioned again and the figures that have been working with/for TS will disappear and TS will be pleased as there will have been big savings ahead of his hopeful summer sale. 

What Manchester United money?   It just means we might break even for January.  Its the same as the season ticket money, Burstow money, Pope money or the next tranch of ELF money.

Then in the next breath the same people moan there is too much money in football.

If people think that every penny of income should be spent on new signings amd the owner should cover all the costs personally why not say that?   But any other club doing that "buy the league" and FFP is a joke. 

I think most people would settle for an owner who doesn’t want to f@&k about with our football club and runs us in a way that sees us compete in our league. To do this any owner will most likely see losses where we are. I have zero sympathy for TS as so many of his losses are his own doing. He’s now realising his vanity project has failed and he’s desperately trying to get as many pennies back out as he can, regardless of the toll it takes on the club. I’ve heard sod all people talking about ‘buying the league’ and much more about sensible club management using people who know football and using the many resources that lie within our fan base, something TS has regularly failed to do. 

Cafc43v3r

mart77 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

eaststandmike said:

Carl_bratton said:

Same old window under Thomas. Last minute deals and a likely statement from Holden at midnight to say one fell through 

And that statement would have been written at 2pm by the comms team

I think we’ll potentially see Kirk, DJ, Thomas and Stockley leave. We’ll have one loan arrival and get a message saying we were trying for more but we should be glad that we’ve kept Leaburn and Dobbo. The Man U money will never be mentioned again and the figures that have been working with/for TS will disappear and TS will be pleased as there will have been big savings ahead of his hopeful summer sale. 

What Manchester United money?   It just means we might break even for January.  Its the same as the season ticket money, Burstow money, Pope money or the next tranch of ELF money.

Then in the next breath the same people moan there is too much money in football.

If people think that every penny of income should be spent on new signings amd the owner should cover all the costs personally why not say that?   But any other club doing that "buy the league" and FFP is a joke. 

I think most people would settle for an owner who doesn’t want to f@&k about with our football club and runs us in a way that sees us compete in our league. To do this any owner will most likely see losses where we are. I have zero sympathy for TS as so many of his losses are his own doing. He’s now realising his vanity project has failed and he’s desperately trying to get as many pennies back out as he can, regardless of the toll it takes on the club. I’ve heard sod all people talking about ‘buying the league’ and much more about sensible club management using people who know football and using the many resources that lie within our fan base, something TS has regularly failed to do. 

But you specifically said the "Manchester United money" which is the point I resposned to.

I would wager we have spent more in the last 2 years on wages and transfer fees than Bolton have.

I have heard plenty of people use "buying the league" about other clubs.  

We have spent plenty over the last 10 years but as you say it doesn't matter as most of it has been spent by Hot Shot Hammish and Little Tommy D.  That's the issue, not just spending more.

mart77

Garrymanilow said:

mart77 said:

“We’re ready for it. We need to trim the squad hopefully. Ideally we’d love to add as well.”

Didn’t like this comment from Holden. More and more seems like this ‘takeover’ is a smokescreen for TS cost cutting exercise.

The thing is, at this stage any League One team would be looking at trimming the squad in certain areas. We play one up front mostly and we have four strikers. One is often injured but that's still one too many. We've also got 5 wingers and it feels like two of those aren't fancied at all by the manager. Of all those players two of them are some of the highest earners in the squad. We've also got 5 first team CBs now. We really need a central midfielder to help us control games better but we should also be looking to get rid of Stockley and one of Kirk or DJ as well as Lavelle or they're just going to sit there eating into the budget doing nothing.

I have little issue with ‘trimming’ this squad of certain players but we are way short of where we should be squad wise. I still think we’re a couple of injuries/sales from a relegation dogfight. We have so many of this current squad that will likely not be here next season and should we start dropping down the table I would question the passion of many of these players for such a fight. Imagine something happens to Dobson soon, then we are in deep doodoo. 

mart77

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

eaststandmike said:

Carl_bratton said:

Same old window under Thomas. Last minute deals and a likely statement from Holden at midnight to say one fell through 

And that statement would have been written at 2pm by the comms team

I think we’ll potentially see Kirk, DJ, Thomas and Stockley leave. We’ll have one loan arrival and get a message saying we were trying for more but we should be glad that we’ve kept Leaburn and Dobbo. The Man U money will never be mentioned again and the figures that have been working with/for TS will disappear and TS will be pleased as there will have been big savings ahead of his hopeful summer sale. 

What Manchester United money?   It just means we might break even for January.  Its the same as the season ticket money, Burstow money, Pope money or the next tranch of ELF money.

Then in the next breath the same people moan there is too much money in football.

If people think that every penny of income should be spent on new signings amd the owner should cover all the costs personally why not say that?   But any other club doing that "buy the league" and FFP is a joke. 

I think most people would settle for an owner who doesn’t want to f@&k about with our football club and runs us in a way that sees us compete in our league. To do this any owner will most likely see losses where we are. I have zero sympathy for TS as so many of his losses are his own doing. He’s now realising his vanity project has failed and he’s desperately trying to get as many pennies back out as he can, regardless of the toll it takes on the club. I’ve heard sod all people talking about ‘buying the league’ and much more about sensible club management using people who know football and using the many resources that lie within our fan base, something TS has regularly failed to do. 

But you specifically said the "Manchester United money" which is the point I resposned to.

I would wager we have spent more in the last 2 years on wages and transfer fees than Bolton have.

I have heard plenty of people use "buying the league" about other clubs.  

We have spent plenty over the last 10 years but as you say it doesn't matter as most of it has been spent by Hot Shot Hammish and Little Tommy D.  That's the issue, not just spending more.

The Man U money comment was about how all of the things happening this month are about covering and cutting costs, regardless of what’s needed at the club, such as a new contract for Dobson. 

Do you believe TS is entitled to run the club as he currently is? All signs point to that he wants out and will sell us to whomever gives him maximum income regardless of how negative it could be for the club. Like I say above I’m not looking for a Man City type owner, I just want one that accepts that there will be some losses but these can be managed through sensible football management and recruitment, as well as working with the fan base.

Only Ipswich have tried to ‘buy the league’ which they 100% have tried to do, and thus far failed. 

I’d finally add that I don’t think some fans know quite how perilous our current situation is. We are losing generations of fans by our continued presence in League One. We had a free ticket scheme today  and yet again we proved we can’t even give the tickets away. We need a change of direction and we need it very quickly, as I fear we are slowly dying as a club.

Cafc43v3r

mart77 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

mart77 said:

eaststandmike said:

Carl_bratton said:

Same old window under Thomas. Last minute deals and a likely statement from Holden at midnight to say one fell through 

And that statement would have been written at 2pm by the comms team

I think we’ll potentially see Kirk, DJ, Thomas and Stockley leave. We’ll have one loan arrival and get a message saying we were trying for more but we should be glad that we’ve kept Leaburn and Dobbo. The Man U money will never be mentioned again and the figures that have been working with/for TS will disappear and TS will be pleased as there will have been big savings ahead of his hopeful summer sale. 

What Manchester United money?   It just means we might break even for January.  Its the same as the season ticket money, Burstow money, Pope money or the next tranch of ELF money.

Then in the next breath the same people moan there is too much money in football.

If people think that every penny of income should be spent on new signings amd the owner should cover all the costs personally why not say that?   But any other club doing that "buy the league" and FFP is a joke. 

I think most people would settle for an owner who doesn’t want to f@&k about with our football club and runs us in a way that sees us compete in our league. To do this any owner will most likely see losses where we are. I have zero sympathy for TS as so many of his losses are his own doing. He’s now realising his vanity project has failed and he’s desperately trying to get as many pennies back out as he can, regardless of the toll it takes on the club. I’ve heard sod all people talking about ‘buying the league’ and much more about sensible club management using people who know football and using the many resources that lie within our fan base, something TS has regularly failed to do. 

But you specifically said the "Manchester United money" which is the point I resposned to.

I would wager we have spent more in the last 2 years on wages and transfer fees than Bolton have.

I have heard plenty of people use "buying the league" about other clubs.  

We have spent plenty over the last 10 years but as you say it doesn't matter as most of it has been spent by Hot Shot Hammish and Little Tommy D.  That's the issue, not just spending more.

The Man U money comment was about how all of the things happening this month are about covering and cutting costs, regardless of what’s needed at the club, such as a new contract for Dobson. 

Do you believe TS is entitled to run the club as he currently is? All signs point to that he wants out and will sell us to whomever gives him maximum income regardless of how negative it could be for the club. Like I say above I’m not looking for a Man City type owner, I just want one that accepts that there will be some losses but these can be managed through sensible football management and recruitment, as well as working with the fan base.

Only Ipswich have tried to ‘buy the league’ which they 100% have tried to do, and thus far failed. 

I’d finally add that I don’t think some fans know quite how perilous our current situation is. We are losing generations of fans by our continued presence in League One. We had a free ticket scheme today  and yet again we proved we can’t even give the tickets away. We need a change of direction and we need it very quickly, as I fear we are slowly dying as a club.

Is he entitled to?  Legally yes, morally no of course not.  But I also know that to change it some one has got to caught up some serious cash just so they can blow some more serious cash.  

To play devil's advocate if we can't even give the tickets away why should any owner put more money in, that they won't get back amd are looking to sell, if the fans won't even buy tickets?  I fully understand why they don't before anyone jumps in.

I do think that the "just sell the club and fox trot Oscar, by the way can you chuck a few million in on the way out as well?" stance is either totally unrealistic or entitled.

shirty5

Jon Russell on loan from Huddersfield - According to Nixon in todays sun 

Athletico Charlton

shirty5 said:

Jon Russell on loan from Huddersfield - According to Nixon in todays sun 

From an Accrington fan where he was in loan a couple of years ago. Involved in 26 games, but most off the bench 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Played CM/CAM for us, tall, pretty strong, really good on the ball, not very skillful but good dribbling. Always plays the ball on the floor, doesn&#39;t like to long pass. Passing into the final third was good and pretty regular. Not particularly pacey.</p>&mdash; oliver 🇰🇷 (@gu77ed) <a href="

https://twitter.com/gu77ed/status/1417169175370510337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

">July 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Scoham

Sounds like competition for Morgan in that box to box role.

MarcusH26

Luke Plange , young striker from Palace on loan also linked to us on Nixon's patreon. Currently on loan in Belgium but has been recalled. 

ClausJensensShorts

Scoham said:

Sounds like competition for Morgan in that box to box role.

an extra physical presence that will allow us to play O'Connell over Inniss at the back with Ness?

JamesSeed

Luke Plange 

5’10” Age: 20

2021–2022 Derby 8 appearances  (3 goals)

2022– Crystal Palace 0 (0)

2022 → Derby County (loan) 18 (1)

2022→ RWD Molenbeek (loan) 13 (2)

International career‡

2022– England U20 2 (0) 

A youth product of Arsenal since the age of 6, Plange moved to Derby County on 21 March 2021.He made his professional debut with Derby County on 4 December 2021, coming on as a half-time substitute in a 1–0 EFL Championship defeat against Bristol City.

On 31 January 2022, Plange signed for Crystal Palace and was loaned back to Derby for the remainder of the season. 

In August 2022 he was loaned to Belgian club RWD Molenbeek, along with teammate Jake O'Brien, for the 2022–23 season.

Who knows. 

thenewbie

Scoham said:

Sounds like competition for Morgan in that box to box role.

Sounds like a good thing to me. A proper ball carrier to join up between Dobson and Fraser and give Morgan some competition is a good thing. Ideally McGrandles would've been that but if he's not fully fit them obviously that's not happening.

JamesSeed

Jonathan Edward Russell. 

Date of birth: 9 October 2000 (age 22)

Place of birth: Hounslow, England

Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)

Position: Midfielder

Current team:  Huddersfield Town         

Russell joined Chelsea at under-7 level. He turned professional in October 2017.
He moved on loan to Accrington Stanley in October 2020.
He moved to Huddersfield Town in July 2021.
He scored his first goal for the club on 23 February 2022 when he scored a late winner in a 2–1 win against Cardiff City. 

Passes the Charlton height test. 

Lewis Coaches

killerandflash said:

supaclive said:

Exactly - "We need to trim the squad"

That's got me buzzing for Tuesday 

Well too much talk about Miles Leaburn at the moment coming from his parents.

Trust we are not being lined up for a fall.

Loved Carl and his son can and will do better given time.

What price do we value time.

Garrymanilow

mart77 said:

Garrymanilow said:

mart77 said:

“We’re ready for it. We need to trim the squad hopefully. Ideally we’d love to add as well.”

Didn’t like this comment from Holden. More and more seems like this ‘takeover’ is a smokescreen for TS cost cutting exercise.

The thing is, at this stage any League One team would be looking at trimming the squad in certain areas. We play one up front mostly and we have four strikers. One is often injured but that's still one too many. We've also got 5 wingers and it feels like two of those aren't fancied at all by the manager. Of all those players two of them are some of the highest earners in the squad. We've also got 5 first team CBs now. We really need a central midfielder to help us control games better but we should also be looking to get rid of Stockley and one of Kirk or DJ as well as Lavelle or they're just going to sit there eating into the budget doing nothing.

I have little issue with ‘trimming’ this squad of certain players but we are way short of where we should be squad wise. I still think we’re a couple of injuries/sales from a relegation dogfight. We have so many of this current squad that will likely not be here next season and should we start dropping down the table I would question the passion of many of these players for such a fight. Imagine something happens to Dobson soon, then we are in deep doodoo. 

I completely agree. There's no cover for Dobson at all and our midfield still lacks control at full strength. I don't think many teams would be able to keep adding without clearing out some high earning spares though. The problem is ours have been so bad it seems like no-one wants them

TEL

killerandflash said:

For all his frustrating nature, Kirk would benefit from playing with a left footed left back. Get Penney overlapping on the outside, giving Kirk space to cut inside.

And who will cover those two..  Kirk hasn't a clue how to track back and defend. 

Kirks one of those luxury players that we just cannot afford to play because he does so little team work. He can't take players on either. His only attribute is he can cross the ball. 

AndyG

The issue is we have too many players that we cant offload to anyone. If we manage to ship them out it will be on loan where I suspect we will be paying most of their wages. Absolutely no chance of getting anything like what we paid for Stockley, Kirk etc. I dont understand how Gallen gets the free ride that he does on here as he has signed some proper shit for decent money the last few years

Pavoren007

AndyG said:

The issue is we have too many players that we cant offload to anyone. If we manage to ship them out it will be on loan where I suspect we will be paying most of their wages. Absolutely no chance of getting anything like what we paid for Stockley, Kirk etc. I dont understand how Gallen gets the free ride that he does on here as he has signed some proper shit for decent money the last few years

Gallen seals the deals, does not tee up who we are getting. A black box and Football Manager enthusiast is responsible for that bit as far as I understand it. I would be bored sh*tless with Steve’s current responsibilities and hope he gets a break elsewhere, a good guy and under-utilised by us since ‘those that think they know better’ arrived. 

Richard J

'Luke' also matches Swisdom's code about the force.

Manic_mania

AndyG said:

The issue is we have too many players that we cant offload to anyone. If we manage to ship them out it will be on loan where I suspect we will be paying most of their wages. Absolutely no chance of getting anything like what we paid for Stockley, Kirk etc. I dont understand how Gallen gets the free ride that he does on here as he has signed some proper shit for decent money the last few years

Why is it when we are going for someone on loan we all hear "well loans aren't free - got to pay wages" etc etc but when we send someone out on loan all of a sudden it's "well we will be covering most of their wages" so when we get a loan we pay full whack but when we send someone out we get minimal benefit financially?

Not saying people are wrong but I just don't get it? Is this based on anything factual or just people being negative?