I’ve lived abroad for years and can now watch the Addicks on a weekly basis after having bought an annual pass! Believe me, if I lived in the UK I would have a season ticket and would be there every match, irrespective of how bad they are playing!
Surely a difference has to be made between the fans who live and follow from abroad and those who live in the UK and watch using a VPN. I can’t imagine that there are thousands and thousands doing that and costing the club hundreds of thousands.
I think you're right. If they'd thought this through they'd be saying that having a VPN isn't enough to qualify for live streams. Instead, overseas viewers would have to have a registered overseas address on the system, and perhaps even have to have a pin which would be physically mailed to that address. It would be more bureaucratic, but it would help cut off the escape route.
before we can say if Charlton tv is having any effect, we need to know the viewing figures of local home based fans. Including those using illicit means to accesses it, as home games are supposed to be streamed to overseas only, except for this December due to the world cup. I think the crowd numbers are the true representation of what might be called the core support of Charlton athletic. As a club I have felt that our support is lower than many people wish to admit and getting smaller with the demographic changes of London.
before we can say if Charlton tv is having any effect, we need to know the viewing figures of local home based fans. Including those using illicit means to accesses it, as home games are supposed to be streamed to overseas only, except for this December due to the world cup. I think the crowd numbers are the true representation of what might be called the core support of Charlton athletic. As a club I have felt that our support is lower than many people wish to admit and getting smaller with the demographic changes of London.
Most people watching the stream will be in the UK regardless of whether it is supposed to available here. The club knows that in general and doesn’t care.
I don’t think you can have core support below the number of season ticket holders. All crowds are the product of a variety of circumstances at the time - we pretty much know we can get 10,000 home fans in L1, 15,000 in the Championship, both in average circumstances, and 20,000 plus for any opposition in the PL.
The numbers are depressed by where we are on and off the pitch but they will respond if things improve - or get worse. I don’t think it has anything to do with demographic change tbh, unless you want to go back 50 years.
I’ve lived abroad for years and can now watch the Addicks on a weekly basis after having bought an annual pass! Believe me, if I lived in the UK I would have a season ticket and would be there every match, irrespective of how bad they are playing!
Surely a difference has to be made between the fans who live and follow from abroad and those who live in the UK and watch using a VPN. I can’t imagine that there are thousands and thousands doing that and costing the club hundreds of thousands.
I think you're right. If they'd thought this through they'd be saying that having a VPN isn't enough to qualify for live streams. Instead, overseas viewers would have to have a registered overseas address on the system, and perhaps even have to have a pin which would be physically mailed to that address. It would be more bureaucratic, but it would help cut off the escape route.
What about people living in Scotland or Northern Ireland or Cornwall or Cumbria or Cardiff or...
Due to my personal circumstances I either watch the stream and pay for it or don't watch it.
Watching on the TV is no substitute for being there, given the choice I would be there.
I’ve lived abroad for years and can now watch the Addicks on a weekly basis after having bought an annual pass! Believe me, if I lived in the UK I would have a season ticket and would be there every match, irrespective of how bad they are playing!
Surely a difference has to be made between the fans who live and follow from abroad and those who live in the UK and watch using a VPN. I can’t imagine that there are thousands and thousands doing that and costing the club hundreds of thousands.
I think you're right. If they'd thought this through they'd be saying that having a VPN isn't enough to qualify for live streams. Instead, overseas viewers would have to have a registered overseas address on the system, and perhaps even have to have a pin which would be physically mailed to that address. It would be more bureaucratic, but it would help cut off the escape route.
What about people living in Scotland or Northern Ireland or Cornwall or Cumbria or Cardiff or...
Due to my personal circumstances I either watch the stream and pay for it or don't watch it.
Watching on the TV is no substitute for being there, given the choice I would be there.
Most Charlton fans grew up supporting Charlton as they are their local team. The places that you mention, those people have they always grew up in those places, or did they move away for their own personal choices.
I knew a few Charlton fans that moved away from the local area, and will just go to Charlton away games now where they are within an hour’s drive of where they now live or will catch the highlights on the Saturday night show.
Before streaming these people in Carlisle and Humberside for example could have only listened to the radio or followed Sky Sports News.
Streaming was not designed for the UK Market. But as mentioned people will always find ways round it, unless restrictions change like Stigs idea.
There’s no possibility the thing is viable as currently packaged if the audience was restricted to the actual overseas audience. it will be a few hundred.
I’ve lived abroad for years and can now watch the Addicks on a weekly basis after having bought an annual pass! Believe me, if I lived in the UK I would have a season ticket and would be there every match, irrespective of how bad they are playing!
Surely a difference has to be made between the fans who live and follow from abroad and those who live in the UK and watch using a VPN. I can’t imagine that there are thousands and thousands doing that and costing the club hundreds of thousands.
I think you're right. If they'd thought this through they'd be saying that having a VPN isn't enough to qualify for live streams. Instead, overseas viewers would have to have a registered overseas address on the system, and perhaps even have to have a pin which would be physically mailed to that address. It would be more bureaucratic, but it would help cut off the escape route.
What about people living in Scotland or Northern Ireland or Cornwall or Cumbria or Cardiff or...
Due to my personal circumstances I either watch the stream and pay for it or don't watch it.
Watching on the TV is no substitute for being there, given the choice I would be there.
Most Charlton fans grew up supporting Charlton as they are their local team. The places that you mention, those people have they always grew up in those places, or did they move away for their own personal choices.
I knew a few Charlton fans that moved away from the local area, and will just go to Charlton away games now where they are within an hour’s drive of where they now live or will catch the highlights on the Saturday night show.
Before streaming these people in Carlisle and Humberside for example could have only listened to the radio or followed Sky Sports News.
Streaming was not designed for the UK Market. But as mentioned people will always find ways round it, unless restrictions change like Stigs idea.
That pretty much is me, is it better I give the club a £10 to watch the game or give them nothing?
How do you differentiate that from someone in Bexley who would normally go but can't be bothered? I have no idea. If streaming is the cause of lower attendances the volume if streams would go up as attendances go down wouldn't they? Have you seen any evidence of that? I would suggest that they are either flat, or in decline as well as "streamers" stop streaming and "goers" start streaming.
When I did go home and away I wouldn't have not gone to watch it on TV.
The attendances reflect largely what is going on on the field and to a lesser degree off it. Were the club pushing for promotion and playing attractive football then the numbers would increase. You will have a fall off in those willing to pay to watch a poor side play poor football, especially as the recession starts to bite. I suspect most of the no-shows don't pay to watch the stream either.
Streaming surely has a detrimental effect on attendances in the long term. Plus the club potentially losing money by lack of food and merchandise sales.
All clubs have some sort of streaming service though. Funnily the successful ones haven't seen their gates drop off.
Ours might be better quality, but Ipswich fans are hardly thinking - "if we had a former Sky presenter plus John Wark and Matt Holland as pundits, I would stop going to games."
I think its very simple really - the worse your doing on the pitch, the bigger the impact the streaming has as the in ground experience becomes a negative not a positive. That aside, it will be the death of football as we know it in the long run.
I think its very simple really - the worse your doing on the pitch, the bigger the impact the streaming has as the in ground experience becomes a negative not a positive. That aside, it will be the death of football as we know it in the long run.
You mean like TV was the death of it?
It's not the same product/experience you are selling.
I didn’t renew my season ticket this year and I haven’t been to a game. It’s the shite football that’s l can’t stand. Losing is part of the game but that tippy tappy fart around at the back is absolutely tedious. I do watch it on the TV channel when it’s on. But then usually wonder why. Though I did enjoy the Bristol Rovers game. Start playing proper football and il return.
I think its very simple really - the worse your doing on the pitch, the bigger the impact the streaming has as the in ground experience becomes a negative not a positive. That aside, it will be the death of football as we know it in the long run.
You mean like TV was the death of it?
It's not the same product/experience you are selling.
of football as we know it, yes - its indirectly killed the fa cup already and will eventually devour a lot of the league - doesn't matter anyway, i think we're becoming a reality programme - the worse the football team gets, the bigger the drama - genius
The solution is shoot everyone using a "dodgy" stream and everyone else has until 48 hours before kick off to submit a "reasonable excuse" to a panel chaired by @DOUCHER who will decide who is worthy of being able to purchase a streaming pass.
before we can say if Charlton tv is having any effect, we need to know the viewing figures of local home based fans. Including those using illicit means to accesses it, as home games are supposed to be streamed to overseas only, except for this December due to the world cup. I think the crowd numbers are the true representation of what might be called the core support of Charlton athletic. As a club I have felt that our support is lower than many people wish to admit and getting smaller with the demographic changes of London.
Most people watching the stream will be in the UK regardless of whether it is supposed to available here. The club knows that in general and doesn’t care.
I don’t think you can have core support below the number of season ticket holders. All crowds are the product of a variety of circumstances at the time - we pretty much know we can get 10,000 home fans in L1, 15,000 in the Championship, both in average circumstances, and 20,000 plus for any opposition in the PL.
The numbers are depressed by where we are on and off the pitch but they will respond if things improve - or get worse. I don’t think it has anything to do with demographic change tbh, unless you want to go back 50 years.
On the demographic change then I believe you are wrong. 40.6% of London`s population were not born in the Uk and in the boroughs surrounding the Valley it will be higher. a large number of these people will have a team in the bith nation that they support because of family ties, the only English football they watched was that served up by the prems overseas sales of live games, so mainly the so called big six. They will have little or no knowledge of us.
On the other hand, I stopped going to away games many years ago but never miss a home one, season ticket holder.. And I now pay a tenner to watch all the away games via VPN. So the club is doing better out of me than they would have done to the tune of around £250 per year.
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I think the crowd numbers are the true representation of what might be called the core support of Charlton athletic. As a club I have felt that our support is lower than many people wish to admit and getting smaller with the demographic changes of London.
I doubt that it would have any noticeable effect on the physical attendance. (Tens I would guess - possibly a few hundred?).
Not the best scientific trial but it would give an idea what's going on!
Due to my personal circumstances I either watch the stream and pay for it or don't watch it.
Watching on the TV is no substitute for being there, given the choice I would be there.
I knew a few Charlton fans that moved away from the local area, and will just go to Charlton away games now where they are within an hour’s drive of where they now live or will catch the highlights on the Saturday night show.
Before streaming these people in Carlisle and Humberside for example could have only listened to the radio or followed Sky Sports News.
Streaming was not designed for the UK Market. But as mentioned people will always find ways round it, unless restrictions change like Stigs idea.
How do you differentiate that from someone in Bexley who would normally go but can't be bothered? I have no idea. If streaming is the cause of lower attendances the volume if streams would go up as attendances go down wouldn't they? Have you seen any evidence of that? I would suggest that they are either flat, or in decline as well as "streamers" stop streaming and "goers" start streaming.
When I did go home and away I wouldn't have not gone to watch it on TV.
What are you doing tomorrow Roland.
It's not the same product/experience you are selling.