Gardener will get player of the match no doubt but Tammy Beaumont has to consider herself very unlucky not to have received the award for her record innings
Women's cricket is a mismatch between batters and 'fast' bowlers who don't remotely trouble them; these are batters who could and presumably do play club cricket against men bowling 80+. But Gardner and to a similar extent Ecclestone are the next-generation spinners whose levels aren't far off those of their male counterparts - and so they're much harder to play. England should pick an all-spin attack for the rest of the series tbh, or close to it.
Like, having watched Gardner earlier and Rob Keogh now, there's basically no difference at all. Keogh might be bowling mid 50s rather than early 50s, but Gardner puts as many revs on it and is probably more accurate
Women's cricket is a mismatch between batters and 'fast' bowlers who don't remotely trouble them; these are batters who could and presumably do play club cricket against men bowling 80+. But Gardner and to a similar extent Ecclestone are the next-generation spinners whose levels aren't far off those of their male counterparts - and so they're much harder to play. England should pick an all-spin attack for the rest of the series tbh, or close to it.
Like, having watched Gardner earlier and Rob Keogh now, there's basically no difference at all. Keogh might be bowling mid 50s rather than early 50s, but Gardner puts as many revs on it and is probably more accurate
similar imho to women's football - the women simply can't do the same physical things as men in the real physical aspects of the sport and they shouldn't try imo.
Well, the batters can. They can hit it 80 metres now!
Like, this sounds like heresy, and it's stupid and unworkable, but I think as a sport women's cricket would be improved by having a couple of U17 male quick bowlers per side, because the fast bowling in women's cricket is not only of limited effectiveness but also an insult to the immense and growing skill of the batters. I'd really LIKE to see these batters taking on quicker bowling - and I bet they could do it well too
Either that, or Issy Wong's pace is the standard, rather than the exception. But even she is pedestrian by male pro standards, and crucially, by the standards of what women batters CAN face comfortably
One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
Wasn’t that an uncovered wicket? Also didn’t England players go out with hankies and start to mop up after a heavy rain shower a few hours prior to this photo being taken. I was 15 and watched every ball on the tele in black and white. Brilliant game, underwood was unplayable.
Then imagine trying to play Derek Underwood bowling at 65mph on the spot and turning it square on what was an uncovered pitch. No wonder Inverarity's mind was so frazzled that he opted to leave the ball.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I thought it was a terrible case of the yips!
I though Nasser had the yips because he had a growth spurt and totally lost his length?
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.
boasts a one day bowling average lower than his batting average as well.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.
In 1983 he won the Jack Hobbs Memorial Award as the Outstanding Schoolboy Cricketer at under-15 level. In a (non-first-class) match against the Marylebone Cricket Club in 1984 he took 6–27.
His first class batting average is only 3 less than his first class bowling average.
He bowled 45 overs for England in 1990 but on bowled one 7 over spell after that.
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I thought it was a terrible case of the yips!
I though Nasser had the yips because he had a growth spurt and totally lost his length?
Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Some lad called Josh de Caires picked up 6 wickets so far bowling off spin. Must be on England's radar given the pedigree of his father who was a spinner of some repute.
Wasn't his father (and Nasser but that's totally irrelevant to this) a very promising leg spinner who had to give it up when his back started playing up?
I don't know about that but as much as I take the michael out of Atherton's ability he did take over 100 FC wickets. His only two Test victims were Dilip Vengsakar and his Lancs team mate Wasim Akram.
Revenge for all the 90mph bouncers and toe crushing yorkers he faced from Wasim when playing for England!
Obviously not a 21 year old who has only played 5 FC games etc, but a hypothetical good opener and spinning all rounder would solve 90% of England's batting order etc in one go (although not Stokes being unable to bowl much).
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.
Obviously not 21 years old or even playing anymore but Zafar Ansari is the one who got away in that sense. Traditional opening batsman more than happy to grind it out for days and days if needed but capable of turning it on in T20 mode if needed. I have a feeling his batting would have loved Bazball. Also capable of bowling over after over of tight controlling left arms spin. Maybe not attacking enough as a bowler for Bazball but certainly would be worth a look. Massive shame he gave up the game.
One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
Great piece by Mark Nicholas about Deadly (and Knotty)
One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
Anti clockwise surely? I remember all of those playing for England apart from Graveney, Dexter and Brown.
One for memory lane - the last ball of the 5th and final Test of the 1968 Ashes Series. John Inverarity had batted through the innings, having opened for Australia. With three minutes to go Inverarity tried to pad up to one to Derek Underwood. LBW and that decision made the Series 1-1.
All the fielders in one picture, in a clockwise direction from keeper Alan Knott, Colin Cowdrey, Tom Graveney, Ray Illingworth, John Edrich, Ted Dexter, Derek Underwood, John Snow, David Brown, Colin Milburn and Basil D'Oliveira
Anti clockwise surely? I remember all of those playing for England apart from Graveney, Dexter and Brown.
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Like, having watched Gardner earlier and Rob Keogh now, there's basically no difference at all. Keogh might be bowling mid 50s rather than early 50s, but Gardner puts as many revs on it and is probably more accurate
Like, this sounds like heresy, and it's stupid and unworkable, but I think as a sport women's cricket would be improved by having a couple of U17 male quick bowlers per side, because the fast bowling in women's cricket is not only of limited effectiveness but also an insult to the immense and growing skill of the batters. I'd really LIKE to see these batters taking on quicker bowling - and I bet they could do it well too
Either that, or Issy Wong's pace is the standard, rather than the exception. But even she is pedestrian by male pro standards, and crucially, by the standards of what women batters CAN face comfortably
His first class batting average is only 3 less than his first class bowling average.
He bowled 45 overs for England in 1990 but on bowled one 7 over spell after that.
Drop Crawley, your spinner in at 1, Foakes in at 8....
Shame they don't exist.
https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1226514/deadly-venom--the-terror-of-derek-underwood
I remember all of those playing for England apart from Graveney, Dexter and Brown.
It turned out he did this in order to show off in the Super Over