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The announcement was that he would be judged on results !!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I remember being told Parky was effectively having a trial as manager in the Championship - bizarre he got the job after that series of results.LargeAddick said:
I was at a meeting, think at Bromley, where Murray said Parky would'nt be getting the job permenantly, then appointed him the following week. Never trusted Murray from then on.bolloxbolder said:
Well I don't know about that. I was at a shareholders meeting (may have been around the launch of Baton) and Murray made the astounding comment that in his opinion Parky was a better manager than Curbs. I knew then we were on a downward slide with that idiot in charge.Stig said:Didn't feel Parky had the support from above that he needed (nor has hardly anyone since), also felt like a slippery slide deeper into Magic Roundabout territory, so I felt he was pushed too early. That said, keeping him wouldn't have helped change the course of history. It's hard to see him beating the Chris Powell side's points total and after that Two Shats would have done his own thing anyway.
He did okay for us in L1 and it will be interesting to see how long Wrexham stick with him. Getting out of NL a must this season.3 -
Karel Fraeye? The 08/09 squad was dreadful and being more attacking or playing Chris Dickson wouldn't have changed that.LargeAddick said:He did nothing trying to keep us up, went down with a whimper it was so embarrassing, he could have at least attempted to keep us up. The worst manager in my lifetime.4 -
Yes it is. We were in the drop zone, I remember going away to Swansea on a Tuesday night, we were doing ok but we needed a win. A draw wasn’t going to help. Ten minutes to go he made a sub. We had been playing one up top so I thought great, two up top, give it a go, who knows we might nick a win. But no, striker off, striker on. No attempt to win the game. Four days later, away at Reading, same happened. Two points but not good enough, we needed wins. But heyho, Parky managed to get an unbeaten run going but we went down with a whimper, not a bang. In my opinion he could have done a lot better in trying to keep us up. It may ultimately not have made a difference and the outcome the same but ffs give it a go. For that alone he’s the worst manager in my lifetime. Nice bloke, awful manager.cafcnick1992 said:
That's just not true is itLargeAddick said:He did nothing trying to keep us up, went down with a whimper it was so embarrassing, he could have at least attempted to keep us up. The worst manager in my lifetime.0 -
See my other response.masicat said:
WTFLargeAddick said:He did nothing trying to keep us up, went down with a whimper it was so embarrassing, he could have at least attempted to keep us up. The worst manager in my lifetime.0 -
Parky and Lennie Lawrence both managed at Charlton and Bradford. Lennie is a hero with us, but ask a Bradford fan what they think of him and they will not be so glowing in their praise - whereas ask them what they think of Parky and they will have nothing but good things to say. Just as with players, sometimes it just doesnt work out for a manager at one club but does at another.
My only contact with Parky was in the first season in League 1 ( 2009 ? ) away at Carlisle. We were expecting to bounce straight back to the Championship and an away win at lowly Carlisle was expected - we lost 3-1 and there were some pretty irate/angry Charlton fans on Carlisle station after the game waiting for the train home. Parky appeared on the platform and was more than happy to chat with anyone who wanted to speak with him, and my memory is that following those chats the mood was a lot better and people were happy with the responses they had received. I didnt speak with him myself but observed what was happening and came away with a good impression of him. Parky was alone, travelling to family in York.
For Parky to get ( 4th divison at the time ? ) Bradford to the League Cup final having beaten Arsenal and Aston Villa - over a two legged semi-final - on the way is an amazing achievement, and whilst his time at Charlton may not have been as successful as we would have liked, he is no way one of the worst managers we have ever had. We need to look at more recent Charlton history for the winners of that title !5 -
So miss our arguments over ParkyLargeAddick said:He did nothing trying to keep us up, went down with a whimper it was so embarrassing, he could have at least attempted to keep us up. The worst manager in my lifetime.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgj6ez8zwxqo
Joins an elite group with his 1000th game in charge this weekend.14 -
A good manager always was and is now8
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Still owes me a beer.14
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I thought he was unfairly sacked by Charlton and he was working with a terrible squad. Powell struggled with the same squad that season and it was only after a rebuild that things improved.
Parkinson is a decent lower league manager and one of the few managers we've got rid of who has gone on to succeed.19 - Sponsored links:
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He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions3
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Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️19 -
Oh not Parky again, please don't get me started otherwise I'll have to bring up Swansea and Reading away ....2
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Parkinson probably shouldn't have been given the job in the first place off the back of his "caretaker spell"
Looking back on his first season in league 1, I think it's quite clear that it was a particularly difficult division with the likes of Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Millwall all up there. Getting us promoted wasn't an easy task.
That second season he had us competitive again despite having a pretty poor squad. When he left I'm pretty sure we were sitting around 5th or 6th.
Powell came in and struggled with the same team but he was trying to get a better understanding of the squad that he had imo and who he could rely on for the next season. (worked out pretty well in the end)
Overall he did a reasonable job with us and has done much better elsewhere.
Certainly a league 1 / lower level championship manager now imo.10 -
Yep. How about hull?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️
of he was that good, why has he never managed at an upper half championship club for a prolonged period of time?1 -
Please do. Then everyone can see again what an idiot you are.LargeAddick said:Oh not Parky again, please don't get me started otherwise I'll have to bring up Swansea and Reading away ....3 -
To be fair @hoof_it_up_to_benty did say 'Parkinson is a decent lower league manager'. What's the championship got to do with it?Todds_right_hook said:
Yep. How about hull?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️
of he was that good, why has he never managed at an upper half championship club for a prolonged period of time?
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He has a higher win percentage, more promotions, more wins in the championship and league one than Powell. So does that make Powell slap bang below average?Todds_right_hook said:
Yep. How about hull?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️
of he was that good, why has he never managed at an upper half championship club for a prolonged period of time?2 -
Yes. Ask this question to Huddersfield and Southend fansBostonaddick said:
He has a higher win percentage, more promotions, more wins in the championship and league one than Powell. So does that make Powell slap bang below average?Todds_right_hook said:
Yep. How about hull?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️
of he was that good, why has he never managed at an upper half championship club for a prolonged period of time?
parkinson, excluding Wrexham where Mike Bassett would have a good win ratio, he hasn’t had a win ratio over 40 for nearly 20 years, where he did very well at Colchester
hull 20.8%Charlton 38.6%Bradford 36.86%Bolton 31.21%Sunderland 39.58%Those stats are pretty mediocre unless comparing with Rooney.
now compare those with jones, who many on here want him out
luton 51.18%Stoke 15.79%Luton 40.60%Southampton 35.71%Charlton 40%It also needs to be remembered that it took Parkinson 2 years to get a L1 squad out of the conference.0 -
The fact that very few championship clubs have taken a punt on him in nearly 20 years of management suggests that he isn’t that great!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
To be fair @hoof_it_up_to_benty did say 'Parkinson is a decent lower league manager'. What's the championship got to do with it?Todds_right_hook said:
Yep. How about hull?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Really?Todds_right_hook said:He does well when he has the tools. I could have got Wrexham out of the conference with a l1 squad. Slap bang average at best when working under less favourable conditions
He got promotions with Colchester, Bolton and Bradford and got a poor Charlton squad to the playoffs in L1. He also got Bradford to a League Cup Final from L2.
This is 'Slap bang average' 🤦♂️
of he was that good, why has he never managed at an upper half championship club for a prolonged period of time?0 - Sponsored links:
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I think its a bit unfair comparing his performance at Charlton 13+ years ago with now. Same probably applies to most managers - in such a time interval. Squads change, football has changed, coaching methods have changed - Managers should be continually learning and improving. You would expect improvement (although not guaranteed).
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Maybe if Chris, Lee or Jacko are not available we could have him back one day1
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Yes, he did well for us in L1, against some very good teams.covered_end_junior said:Parkinson probably shouldn't have been given the job in the first place off the back of his "caretaker spell"
Looking back on his first season in league 1, I think it's quite clear that it was a particularly difficult division with the likes of Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Millwall all up there. Getting us promoted wasn't an easy task.
That second season he had us competitive again despite having a pretty poor squad. When he left I'm pretty sure we were sitting around 5th or 6th.
Powell came in and struggled with the same team but he was trying to get a better understanding of the squad that he had imo and who he could rely on for the next season. (worked out pretty well in the end)
Overall he did a reasonable job with us and has done much better elsewhere.
Certainly a league 1 / lower level championship manager now imo.
It was odd how he got the job in the Championship relegation season, but then him coming in to be Pardew's assistant was a bit strange, considering that he had already managed for over 200 games by that stage. And he took that job soon after Pardew was appointed, so it's not as if at that stage Pardew was under threat.0 -
Bowyer or Jacko maybe - Parkinson never!Cafcmunich said:Maybe if Chris, Lee or Jacko are not available we could have him back one day0 -
Wasn't that weird - he'd done well at Colchester but badly at Hull, so stock wasn't high and we were a Premier League team.killerandflash said:
Yes, he did well for us in L1, against some very good teams.covered_end_junior said:Parkinson probably shouldn't have been given the job in the first place off the back of his "caretaker spell"
Looking back on his first season in league 1, I think it's quite clear that it was a particularly difficult division with the likes of Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Millwall all up there. Getting us promoted wasn't an easy task.
That second season he had us competitive again despite having a pretty poor squad. When he left I'm pretty sure we were sitting around 5th or 6th.
Powell came in and struggled with the same team but he was trying to get a better understanding of the squad that he had imo and who he could rely on for the next season. (worked out pretty well in the end)
Overall he did a reasonable job with us and has done much better elsewhere.
Certainly a league 1 / lower level championship manager now imo.
It was odd how he got the job in the Championship relegation season, but then him coming in to be Pardew's assistant was a bit strange, considering that he had already managed for over 200 games by that stage. And he took that job soon after Pardew was appointed, so it's not as if at that stage Pardew was under threat.
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Did a better job than many other managers we've had at this level and imo was up against a stronger league.3
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Silverdreammachine said:
Bowyer or Jacko maybe - Parkinson never!Cafcmunich said:Maybe if Chris, Lee or Jacko are not available we could have him back one day
How many promotions and league cup finals do Bowyer and Jackson have in their managerial careers?0 -
He had a worse ppg record than Pardew that horrific Championship relegation season .
His persistence in picking Elliot when Randolph was a much better keeper was bizarre , luckily for us Elliot got injured when we were in danger of slipping out of the play offs, Randy came in and turned it around .
Not being able to make full use of Jonjo Shelvey another weird one .
Solid lower league manager and part of this the shittiest period in our footballing history .4 -
Powell led us to 13th in L1 after he took over from Parkinson. He struggled with the crappy squad that we had as well. Needed a summer rebuild.oohaahmortimer said:He had a worse ppg record than Pardew that horrific Championship relegation season .
His persistence in picking Elliot when Randolph was a much better keeper was bizarre , luckily for us Elliot got injured when we were in danger of slipping out of the play offs, Randy came in and turned it around .
Not being able to make full use of Jonjo Shelvey another weird one .
Solid lower league manager and part of this the shittiest period in our footballing history .
Some of the criticism of Parkinson seems a bit bizarre. We've had plenty of managers who are far worse with inferior CVs.
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Should not have been given the job and was manager for the Northwich Victoria game.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I thought he was unfairly sacked by Charlton and he was working with a terrible squad. Powell struggled with the same squad that season and it was only after a rebuild that things improved.
Parkinson is a decent lower league manager and one of the few managers we've got rid of who has gone on to succeed.2
