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  • edited March 2023
    LenGlover said:
    Those comparing Lord Alan Sugar with Lineker should remember that Lord Sugar is a member of the House of Lords, part of the legislature of this country, sitting I believe on the Labour benches.

    His role there probably trumps his part as Big Boss on a BBC reality programme.
    I don't think people are complaining, just highlighting the hypocrisy of this situation. 
  • vff said:
    vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

    I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.
    Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.
    I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
    I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.
  • vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.
    KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
    Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
    I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment
    That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.
  • If you're not allowed to appear on the BBC because you make political statements while you're not on the BBC, I guess that means there will be no government ministers interviewed tomorrow. 

    Or, don't the rules apply as evenly as that? 
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  • vff said:
    vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

    I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.
    Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.
    I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
    I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.
    what? Centre forward?

    bloody goal hanger
    He always took the glory whilst letting others do the hard work.
  • vff said:
    vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

    I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.
    Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.
    I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
    I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.
    what? Centre forward?

    bloody goal hanger
    He always took the glory whilst letting others do the hard work.
    The footballing version of Jay Blades off the repair shop
  • vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.
    KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
    Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
    I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment
    That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.
    Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.


    There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger. 
    Rwanda is/was a ridiculous proposal. Personally, I think the new proposal has some legs.
  • vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.
    KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
    Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
    I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment
    That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.
    Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.


    There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger. 
    Rwanda is/was a ridiculous proposal. Personally, I think the new proposal has some legs.
    How do you think it will work?
  • edited March 2023
    vff said:

    Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?
    Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
    Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.
    KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
    Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
    I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment
    That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.
    Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.


    There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger. 
    What’s more likely to happen to anyone sent to Rwanda is the same that happened to refugees sent there from Israel. Money taken off them, beaten up, raped and trafficked again. That’s the reality. 
  • Government spokespeople say that Rwanda is a reasonable place to send people but they want to create a deterrent.
    So how are they deterring people by promoting the end destination of Rwanda as a place of milk and honey?
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  • edited March 2023
    But even if you are a mouth foamer, you must understand that it will not be a deterrent. Stop Shouting (I am not calling him a mouth foamer) has said it is a ridiculous proposal but Braverman and the Government still keep going on about it. Do you not think there is a reason for this? 
  • Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a place to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants.  Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.
    I agree with the first bit but not the second. Policy is not inflammatory language. Anyone that thinks Lineker throwing about comparisons to the third reich is acceptable, is as wrong as he is. 
  • Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a country to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants.  Can't think of any other reason. 
    As far as I'm aware, the reason they chose Rwanda was simply that it was the only country whose government was willing to talk to them about the plan. They did try some others, but the relevant governments told them where to go in no uncertain terms.
  • bobmunro said:
    There’s nothing worse than a rich smug twat who thinks he is a socialist , the worse kind of hypocrite 

    So you can't be rich and a socialist?
    Exactly. Look at Jacob Rees-Mogg
  • edited March 2023

    Attenborough has left the conversations. The BBC said that episode was never going to air anyway. Is that us being gas lit? I struggle to understand that term. 
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