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Players Appearing to Pray After Scoring?
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soapboxsam said:jimmymelrose said:And so is Nick Pope.
I think if he ever scored then he would go up to the gantry in that huge stand and wave to the crowd.
If Nick Pope ever scored there will be smoke coming out of his arse.
The other time Smoke will come out of Nick's arse will be if his long term girlfriend, Shannon Horlock (daughter of Kevin: Swindon & Man city) gives birth to a new Pope.
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Me too. I thought it was going to be a minute's silence and I was wracking my brain trying to remember who'd died this week. It turns out that it was a Civil War Re-enactment: Our players all stood there like privates on parade whilst on the pre-arranged signal, theirs all dropped to their knees, fired their imaginary muskets and shot our boys in the chests. It was a nice little theatrical, but I think if they're really going to make these scenes work we might need those that are shot to fall over and roll around a bit (they are footballers, so it can't be that hard). Also some smoke and Kensington gore wouldn't go amiss.se9addick said:
I was a bit confused about what was happening pre-kick off yesterday, was it moments silence? Was it a new way of choreographing the taking the knee.letthegoodtimesroll said:Makes you wonder if there would be less shit going on in the world if god wasn’t having to deal with the prayers of blokes being paid a load of money to play football. Still, each to their own and on the subject of gestures I liked what looked to be a choreographed blm kneeling dance off between the two teams yesterday. More of that please with something along the lines of that troupe that did well on Britains got talent a few years back.0 -
Is this serious or am I being whooshed?Stig said:
Me too. I thought it was going to be a minute's silence and I was wracking my brain trying to remember who'd died this week. It turns out that it was a Civil War Re-enactment: Our players all stood there like privates on parade whilst on the pre-arranged signal, theirs all dropped to their knees, fired their imaginary muskets and shot our boys in the chests. It was a nice little theatrical, but I think if they're really going to make these scenes work we might need those that are shot to fall over and roll around a bit (they are footballers, so it can't be that hard). Also some smoke and Kensington gore wouldn't go amiss.se9addick said:
I was a bit confused about what was happening pre-kick off yesterday, was it moments silence? Was it a new way of choreographing the taking the knee.letthegoodtimesroll said:Makes you wonder if there would be less shit going on in the world if god wasn’t having to deal with the prayers of blokes being paid a load of money to play football. Still, each to their own and on the subject of gestures I liked what looked to be a choreographed blm kneeling dance off between the two teams yesterday. More of that please with something along the lines of that troupe that did well on Britains got talent a few years back.
It seems like a script on Would I Lie to You.
It's gotta be a lie hasn't it?0 -
Some of our players should be thanking God they still have a job6
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Try words said about some of the players for avery long timeWellred said:Some of our players should be thanking God they still have a job
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Prove it....eastterrace6168 said:I will say this then bow out of what I see is becoming a very heated and potentially nasty thread..
I am a confirmed Anglican, and therefor a believer, and do not take well to being called a "God Botherer", and it seems that a non believer looks upon a believer as being deluded, and obviously wrong, but we are all individuals and whether believer or not deserve respect.
I will never castigate anyone for not believing, and would just say that God watches over us all in equal measures, so let's just leave it there shall we regarding any rights or wrongs please, and treat everyone as friends..
I will say that any player giving thanks either when scoring a goal or coming onto the pitch is a personal thing and should be treated as such0 -
He would, but God moves in mysterious ways.ValleyGary said:
Prove it....eastterrace6168 said:I will say this then bow out of what I see is becoming a very heated and potentially nasty thread..
I am a confirmed Anglican, and therefor a believer, and do not take well to being called a "God Botherer", and it seems that a non believer looks upon a believer as being deluded, and obviously wrong, but we are all individuals and whether believer or not deserve respect.
I will never castigate anyone for not believing, and would just say that God watches over us all in equal measures, so let's just leave it there shall we regarding any rights or wrongs please, and treat everyone as friends..
I will say that any player giving thanks either when scoring a goal or coming onto the pitch is a personal thing and should be treated as such4 -
He can’t. No one can. It’s bollocks and we all know it deep down but the insane beauty and futility of life and certain endless death is too much for some people. So they pretend that made up shit books made to make the masses behave are real. Utter rubbish.ValleyGary said:
Prove it....eastterrace6168 said:I will say this then bow out of what I see is becoming a very heated and potentially nasty thread..
I am a confirmed Anglican, and therefor a believer, and do not take well to being called a "God Botherer", and it seems that a non believer looks upon a believer as being deluded, and obviously wrong, but we are all individuals and whether believer or not deserve respect.
I will never castigate anyone for not believing, and would just say that God watches over us all in equal measures, so let's just leave it there shall we regarding any rights or wrongs please, and treat everyone as friends..
I will say that any player giving thanks either when scoring a goal or coming onto the pitch is a personal thing and should be treated as such0 -
I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.6 -
Nobody is born religious.
It is forced/bestowed upon young children who have no say in it. It's a socially acceptable form of child abuse.
Prove me wrong.
Also, do believers accept the Old Testament and all the shithousery that comes with it, or do they cherry pick the nice parts that are convenient and fluffy? After all, you don't get the New Testament without the Old, so I assume they're okay with slavery, mysogyny, rape, torture etc so long as their lord says it is okay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLw0tdgMfc
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So we were wrong when we thought our players never had a prayer.I’ll get me coat.1
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Christ!
There are some wet blankets on here.
Oops sorry.0 -
You cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is down to them to prove 'god' does. Until then, its fairytales.ME14addick said:I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.2 -
Wrong thread. There’s a whole other debate about the pigeons at The Valley 😂eaststandmike said:I put the praying in the same pidgion hole as kissing the badge
All a load of bollocks and mainly done for attention and cameras1 -
Nobody HAS to prove it either way. If someone wants to believe and it gives them comfort, then you or I don't have the right to tell them otherwise, it's nobody else's business.ValleyGary said:
You cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is down to them to prove 'god' does. Until then, its fairytales.ME14addick said:I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.3 -
But it is someone else’s business when it starts to affect/influence someone’s impressionable children or anyone vulnerable in their life. As someone else said further up, the whole model is based on brainwashing from a young age. If no religion was allowed to be taught until the age of 18, the numbers would be completely different because so many more people would make decisions based on logic and common sense as opposed to having no choice in the matter from birth.6
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Genuine questions for religious experts.
Do different religions pray to their own God, or do all believers believe and pray to the same God?
If there are different Gods. How does that work?
Surely if one God is "real" then the others aren't?
Perhaps, religious folk believe in more than one God?
I hope these genuine questions aren't offensive, I've worded the questions as carefully as I can.0 -
So, like fortnite then?JaShea99 said:But it is someone else’s business when it starts to affect/influence someone’s impressionable children or anyone vulnerable in their life. As someone else said further up, the whole model is based on brainwashing from a young age. If no religion was allowed to be taught until the age of 18, the numbers would be completely different because so many more people would make decisions based on logic and common sense as opposed to having no choice in the matter from birth.0 -
It’s about time it should. Religion has a massive influence over things it has no right to in the 21st century.ME14addick said:
Nobody HAS to prove it either way. If someone wants to believe and it gives them comfort, then you or I don't have the right to tell them otherwise, it's nobody else's business.ValleyGary said:
You cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is down to them to prove 'god' does. Until then, its fairytales.ME14addick said:I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.5 -
Saw him last Sunday. Hilarious (Jim not God)Big_Bad_World said:Nobody is born religious.
It is forced/bestowed upon young children who have no say in it. It's a socially acceptable form of child abuse.
Prove me wrong.
Also, do believers accept the Old Testament and all the shithousery that comes with it, or do they cherry pick the nice parts that are convenient and fluffy? After all, you don't get the New Testament without the Old, so I assume they're okay with slavery, mysogyny, rape, torture etc so long as their lord says it is okay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLw0tdgMfc1 - Sponsored links:
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It's a good question and one that used to puzzle me, so I did a bit of research a few years back.Covered End said:Genuine questions for religious experts.
Do different religions pray to their own God, or do all believers believe and pray to the same God?
If there are different Gods. How does that work?
Surely if one God is "real" then the others aren't?
Perhaps, religious folk believe in more than one God?
I hope these genuine questions aren't offensive, I've worded the questions as carefully as I can.
It turns out that most of the "Big" religions are all derived from the same basic story and therefore, quite conveniently, they all believe in the same God. It's the detail of who said what and when and which branch they chose to believe that differentiates them.
Which, to me at least, makes it even more bizarre. They all generally believe in the same or similar things, so why do they all hate each other?! Madness. Pure madness.2 -
When the most powerful nation on earth is beholden to religious fanatics I believe it is everyone’s businessME14addick said:
Nobody HAS to prove it either way. If someone wants to believe and it gives them comfort, then you or I don't have the right to tell them otherwise, it's nobody else's business.ValleyGary said:
You cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is down to them to prove 'god' does. Until then, its fairytales.ME14addick said:I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.5 -
stop fucking sneezing thensillav nitram said:
But that’s an interesting point in itself @eastterrace6168 as a non believer I don’t want those who do believe to put there beliefs on me, as far as I’m concerned he doesn’t watch over me.eastterrace6168 said:I will say this then bow out of what I see is becoming a very heated and potentially nasty thread..
I am a confirmed Anglican, and therefor a believer, and do not take well to being called a "God Botherer", and it seems that a non believer looks upon a believer as being deluded, and obviously wrong, but we are all individuals and whether believer or not deserve respect.
I will never castigate anyone for not believing, and would just say that God watches over us all in equal measures, so let's just leave it there shall we regarding any rights or wrongs please, and treat everyone as friends..
I will say that any player giving thanks either when scoring a goal or coming onto the pitch is a personal thing and should be treated as such
That’s not a dig at you ether, but my sister is always saying ‘God Bless’ to me and to be honest, it irritates the f*ck out of me and I repeatedly ask her not to say it. I feel, knowing her as I do, it’s slightly hypocritical coming from her.6 -
Bring back the good old days when footballers would celebrate scoring a goal with firm handshake, a sip of a pint of mild, and drag on a cigarette.4
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Early night for me tonight.
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Hold on, isn’t one of these Gods a talking elephant?Off_it said:
It's a good question and one that used to puzzle me, so I did a bit of research a few years back.Covered End said:Genuine questions for religious experts.
Do different religions pray to their own God, or do all believers believe and pray to the same God?
If there are different Gods. How does that work?
Surely if one God is "real" then the others aren't?
Perhaps, religious folk believe in more than one God?
I hope these genuine questions aren't offensive, I've worded the questions as carefully as I can.
It turns out that most of the "Big" religions are all derived from the same basic story and therefore, quite conveniently, they all believe in the same God. It's the detail of who said what and when and which branch they chose to believe that differentiates them.
Which, to me at least, makes it even more bizarre. They all generally believe in the same or similar things, so why do they all hate each other?! Madness. Pure madness.
If I had managed to change that little detail in the story then I’d have been pleased as punch when that caught on.4 -
At least the Gods back in the day of the Ancient Greeks and stuff were cool.
You know, tridents, wings made of fire - things like that.4 -
I agree with this - until the point that it is made my business - that's why i keep myself to myself re- beliefs - and I also tend not to tell other people who or what is watching over them or not.ME14addick said:
Nobody HAS to prove it either way. If someone wants to believe and it gives them comfort, then you or I don't have the right to tell them otherwise, it's nobody else's business.ValleyGary said:
You cannot prove something doesn't exist, it is down to them to prove 'god' does. Until then, its fairytales.ME14addick said:I am not religious and science tells me that there is no god, however I cannot prove that there isn't, the same as someone who believes, cannot prove that there is.
If having a faith gives a person comfort, then that is their right to believe and nobody else should tell them otherwise.1 -
Since this has become the religion thread I might as well throw my two pence in the mix. To emphasise - this is all my own experience.
I was brought up in a religious family, I never bought into it but was forced to very much be in and around it until I left home. It is the cause of a lot of childhood trauma and things I'm working through in therapy.
In my experience without exception they are the most closed minded, hate filled people I've ever met (or maybe it's fear presenting as hate).
They are without fail emotionally immature, hunting for each others approval whilst showing a ridiculous amount of fake humility "I did this and I'm such a good Christian but I'm not gonna talk about it because I'm so humble" type thing.
The most gossipy judgey people I've ever met. Word spreads so quickly around churches, to other churches connected to them and people you've never met are commenting on your personal business within hours.
They love forcing their views down others throats. The way they engage with politics enrages me. Can't see any issue through a social or economic lens only a religious one. Everything is about "traditional British Christian values" - whatever the fuck that actually means because ask them to define it and they can't. They'll vote for vile immoral people who do awful things in their personal lives and will make their lives harder but it's okay because they are against gay marriage. Speaking of which they see any change e.g. gay marriage, abortion, trans rights as an attack on their way of life. What they're missing is that no one is forcing anyone to have an abortion or be gay or trans. No one is stopping them from living their life the way they want to, all it is saying is that others can live their lives differently if they so choose. What happened to live and let live ffs.
On the other hand when my grandfather died I could see the way their faith brought people comfort and togetherness. I can see why people get drawn to that but in my experience its all toxic and does more harm than good. Has no place in a modern society.
The question of footballers is an interesting one. Is there a higher proportion of religious people in football than elsewhere? Seems like it on the face of it.8
