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I can tell a tale about a dog that never got done until later in life, he was a bitsa and used to shag everything. Sofas, people, the runner in the hall and I'm not exagerrating. Dog spunk was everywhere all the time, he produced so much jism it was otherworldly.
One day a man who had had a truly bad day at work decided they were fed up of cleaning dog jizz off every surface and soft furnishing in his home and took the dog to be done. The vet refused/advised against due to the dogs age and risk the anesthetic would carry. The dog continued this campaign of lust and projectile ejaculation until his dying day. The family, whilst sad to lose an old family pet rejoiced at being able to have a new carpet and 3 piece suite finally in their grief.
For what its worth dog owners in the main are good people with nothing but love and an understanding of the 4 legged life they are responsible for, they research the right breed for them, take their dogs to behavioural classes, teach and train them properly, exercise them and give them great lives. These people will also register, chip and insure their pets.
Not all, but a disproportionate amount of owners of dogs like XL American Bulldogs and before them staffies, Rottweilers, German Sheps get them for status. I'm clearly not talking about owners of GSD's like @TCE and @Redmidland I am talking about the following
"He don't need a lead he walks to heel"
"Its ok he's friendly"
"The kids climb all over them, pull them about and they don't do anything"
Dogs need a boss, they need boundaries, they need training, they need stimulation and I don't give a shite how good they have been, to leave a child alone with a dog is negligent.
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Always blame the dog.Gribbo said:
Gotta be honest mate, I thought the same about pissing, but as a last resort, we had our rescued Teckle snipped and he stopped doing it straight away. From 4 to 5 spray type marks every night, to absolutely nothing.T_C_E said:Gribbo said:Think that all dogs should get the snip at the earliest opportunity, unless they're to be owned by a reputable, registered breeder, who should require a permit for each litter. Also think they should bring back the dog licence for all breeds.
Might sound ott, but when you consider the amount of unwanted and ill treated dogs, this must be better alternative?
The trouble with that is, neutering and spaying to early.
My dogs were at 2+ years old and fully developed, all this shite about correcting behavioural issues is dog ****
Unless for medical reasons, it shouldn't be done to early.
The perception it stops your dog pulling or p*ssing in the house is wrong, training does that.
Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up.2 -
In the nicest possible way……Gribbo said:
Gotta be honest mate, I thought the same about pissing, but as a last resort, we had our rescued Teckle snipped and he stopped doing it straight away. From 4 to 5 spray type marks every night, to absolutely nothing.T_C_E said:Gribbo said:Think that all dogs should get the snip at the earliest opportunity, unless they're to be owned by a reputable, registered breeder, who should require a permit for each litter. Also think they should bring back the dog licence for all breeds.
Might sound ott, but when you consider the amount of unwanted and ill treated dogs, this must be better alternative?
The trouble with that is, neutering and spaying to early.
My dogs were at 2+ years old and fully developed, all this shite about correcting behavioural issues is dog ****
Unless for medical reasons, it shouldn't be done to early.
The perception it stops your dog pulling or p*ssing in the house is wrong, training does that.
There’s a difference between marking and pissing, the perception that if I sit down watch a 3 hour movie taking absolutely no notice of my dog turning round in circles or looking towards the door so in the end he takes a piss in the kitchen is not cured by neutering/spaying.1 -
I agree with almost all you say, but categorising me with @Redmidland is truly shocking and that’s without the huge age difference! 😉😂Carter said:I can tell a tale about a dog that never got done until later in life, he was a bitsa and used to shag everything. Sofas, people, the runner in the hall and I'm not exagerrating. Dog spunk was everywhere all the time, he produced so much jism it was otherworldly.
One day a man who had had a truly bad day at work decided they were fed up of cleaning dog jizz off every surface and soft furnishing in his home and took the dog to be done. The vet refused/advised against due to the dogs age and risk the anesthetic would carry. The dog continued this campaign of lust and projectile ejaculation until his dying day. The family, whilst sad to lose an old family pet rejoiced at being able to have a new carpet and 3 piece suite finally in their grief.
For what its worth dog owners in the main are good people with nothing but love and an understanding of the 4 legged life they are responsible for, they research the right breed for them, take their dogs to behavioural classes, teach and train them properly, exercise them and give them great lives. These people will also register, chip and insure their pets.
Not all, but a disproportionate amount of owners of dogs like XL American Bulldogs and before them staffies, Rottweilers, German Sheps get them for status. I'm clearly not talking about owners of GSD's like @TCE and @Redmidland I am talking about the following
"He don't need a lead he walks to heel"
"Its ok he's friendly"
"The kids climb all over them, pull them about and they don't do anything"
Dogs need a boss, they need boundaries, they need training, they need stimulation and I don't give a shite how good they have been, to leave a child alone with a dog is negligent.
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Yeah the snip too early can have very bad effects on dogs that need the development time to grow and strengthen. Dogs with long backs (dachshunds, corgis, Bassetts etc.) need the hormones for a minimum of 2 years before it's deemed safe to neuter, and I'm sure there's other breeds with similar issues when young0
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Sam correct me if I’m wrong but you are in the veterinary profession, Yes?sam3110 said:Yeah the snip too early can have very bad effects on dogs that need the development time to grow and strengthen. Dogs with long backs (dachshunds, corgis, Bassetts etc.) need the hormones for a minimum of 2 years before it's deemed safe to neuter, and I'm sure there's other breeds with similar issues when young
And I’m agreeing with what you say, but!
Why when I had Bowyer have his puppy jabs, did I get his second appointment on a card offering us 50% discount on neutering valid for only three months?
(he only has the puppy ones)
Secondly, why does the profession push inoculations yearly when they don’t offer 100% protection against the diseases.
Yet a titre test showing the same levels of protection is frowned upon by some (not all) professionals?0 -
T_C_E said:
I agree with almost all you say, but categorising me with @Redmidland is truly shocking and that’s without the huge age difference! 😉😂Carter said:I can tell a tale about a dog that never got done until later in life, he was a bitsa and used to shag everything. Sofas, people, the runner in the hall and I'm not exagerrating. Dog spunk was everywhere all the time, he produced so much jism it was otherworldly.
One day a man who had had a truly bad day at work decided they were fed up of cleaning dog jizz off every surface and soft furnishing in his home and took the dog to be done. The vet refused/advised against due to the dogs age and risk the anesthetic would carry. The dog continued this campaign of lust and projectile ejaculation until his dying day. The family, whilst sad to lose an old family pet rejoiced at being able to have a new carpet and 3 piece suite finally in their grief.
For what its worth dog owners in the main are good people with nothing but love and an understanding of the 4 legged life they are responsible for, they research the right breed for them, take their dogs to behavioural classes, teach and train them properly, exercise them and give them great lives. These people will also register, chip and insure their pets.
Not all, but a disproportionate amount of owners of dogs like XL American Bulldogs and before them staffies, Rottweilers, German Sheps get them for status. I'm clearly not talking about owners of GSD's like @TCE and @Redmidland I am talking about the following
"He don't need a lead he walks to heel"
"Its ok he's friendly"
"The kids climb all over them, pull them about and they don't do anything"
Dogs need a boss, they need boundaries, they need training, they need stimulation and I don't give a shite how good they have been, to leave a child alone with a dog is negligent.
Cheeky fucker @TCE 😜
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There are negatives from having a dog snipped, two being it increases the chances of cancer in the affected areas and increases the chances of weight gain (so my vet told me). I never had any of my three Border Collies snipped for those reasons, given that they had never shown any aggression at the age development. Indeed, none showed any aggression during their life, maybe I was just lucky or maybe the extensive training I applied to them were factors.Gribbo said:Think that all dogs should get the snip at the earliest opportunity, unless they're to be owned by a reputable, registered breeder, who should require a permit for each litter. Also think they should bring back the dog licence for all breeds.
Might sound ott, but when you consider the amount of unwanted and ill treated dogs, this must be better alternative?0 -
Same for humans (well it happened to me anyway).PeterGage said:
There are negatives from having a dog snipped, two being it increases the chances of cancer in the affected areas and increases the chances of weight gain (so my vet told me). I never had any of my three Border Collies snipped for those reasons, given that they had never shown any aggression at the age development. Indeed, none showed any aggression during their life, maybe I was just lucky or maybe the extensive training I applied to them were factors.Gribbo said:Think that all dogs should get the snip at the earliest opportunity, unless they're to be owned by a reputable, registered breeder, who should require a permit for each litter. Also think they should bring back the dog licence for all breeds.
Might sound ott, but when you consider the amount of unwanted and ill treated dogs, this must be better alternative?
I also try to lick my own balls occasionally.5 -
Not in the vet world personally no, but involved in multiple training (scenting and flyball) and have good friends both in the breeder world and the vet world.T_C_E said:
Sam correct me if I’m wrong but you are in the veterinary profession, Yes?sam3110 said:Yeah the snip too early can have very bad effects on dogs that need the development time to grow and strengthen. Dogs with long backs (dachshunds, corgis, Bassetts etc.) need the hormones for a minimum of 2 years before it's deemed safe to neuter, and I'm sure there's other breeds with similar issues when young
And I’m agreeing with what you say, but!
Why when I had Bowyer have his puppy jabs, did I get his second appointment on a card offering us 50% discount on neutering valid for only three months?
(he only has the puppy ones)
Secondly, why does the profession push inoculations yearly when they don’t offer 100% protection against the diseases.
Yet a titre test showing the same levels of protection is frowned upon by some (not all) professionals?
I believe the neutering thing is pushed by vets as many don't actually specialise in any one animal, even though the vast majority of them will deal with dogs far more than any other animal, and therefore they don't follow the newer guidance of 2 years, and stick to the old "get the snip after 6 months".
Certainly the lady vet I am friends with (who also has dachshunds) has not got her dogs neutered yet, but gets told to push it at the 6 month checkup by the place she works at (she doesn't)
I couldn't begin to know about the inoculations, I just know mine get their yearly ones alongside kennel cough1 -
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Surely the idea is to reduce the amount of unwanted and often ill treated dogs, along with the people** using dogs to earn a few quid. Obviously if the alternative causes harm to the dog, it's not ideal, but still think there should be something drastic brought in to help reduce and curb the above.
**I rented a 1 bed flat to a bloke (Charlton supporter and maybe posts on here?), who not only kept a bullmastiff at the property, unbeknown to me, but used her to breed off, all in the 1 bed property (not him personally before Mehmet starts 😉). Judging by the state of the bedroom, I'm guessing she was kept in there, and he kipped on the sofa. Not sure what size litters they have, but if its around 10 pups at £1k each, he's doing alright. Not that he spent his money in rent or cleaning products, the dirty c***.
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As many of you know Mrs RM is a dog trainer, she runs classes and 121's for any breed. She trains from puppy upwards across many different disciplines, however recently less and less people are training their dogs, but the other night she said to me complete 'out if the blue', that people were turning up for her training classes, learn what to do BUT then do nothing during the week and turn up again the for the next class and the dog is no further forward in some cases. She said you can see the difference between those that do carry on training at home and those that don't. The point is that some owners pay lip service and tell people their 4 legged friend has been trained when in fact they haven't. It is normally, not in every case, these owners where their dogs react badly in situations as they don't know any boundaries. Sadly, during this current cost of living crisis, less dogs are being trained and more serious incidents are likely to occur.
For those thinking training costs are high, Mrs RM charges £7.50 for an hours class, which often runs longer for no extra charge.2 -
I’ve had with all my dogs, the question being.How long does it take to train a dog to that standard?
Answer, training never stops!
When I trained people with dogs, the usual line I’ve already started to train him!Sitting offering a paw is not training, nor is playing dead.Walking them down the street without getting dragged under a bus, not smashing through an opening door is training.
Teaching a 12 week old puppy how to use stairs is not training, teaching them to wear a collar and lead without sitting down and refusing to move is training.Teaching your dog not to jump in excitement is training, likewise teaching children to respect to dog is training, involving your children in the dogs training will teach them both.
Todays society wants a puppy to act like a 10 year mature dog without doing a thing, that’s why the rescues are full of dogs.5 -
I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.0 -
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)2 -
That’s why what I do is so much hard work, getting my dog official clearance to work in schools is difficult but getting schools and local authorities to understand there will be guidelines that I set down before step through the door.seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.As I said to a class the other day, your behaviour around my dogs is just as important as my dogs is around them, while my dogs are trained to expect behaviour such as running children or screaming we educate the children not to do it near our dogs for no other reason than if they did it with other dogs there could be problems, so you’ll hear children running until approach where we sit and stop, then start again as they pass by.
They are still dogs and are treated accordingly, when they are with children they are constantly monitored, they don’t go in school if I believe they are slightly of colour.
In ten years at school I’ve never returned a child to class for inappropriate behaviour around my dogs, the children that work with my dogs accept that their behaviour in normal classes could jeopardise their visits to sit with the dogs so it’s a win, win.We have had two incidents where i reported two visitors to the school for inappropriate around my dogs while working, ironically one from the dogs trust who thought it was a good idea to goad my dog with a stuffed toy, another who tried to call her while she was surrounded by children.
Working with children and animals is good, but ignorance in adults is tiresome.2 -
Dachshunds are also very clever, but fantastically stubborn too, so training needs to be often and thorough, unfortunately many daxie owners have them because they're cute and funny looking, and they think that their compact size means they're easy to live with, but it's not the case at all.cafcfan said:
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)
My older one, Pepper, is a neurotic twat of a dog at times as she essentially matured during lockdown so human contact, and other dog contact, was limited to a daily walk in the local park. She's one of the only dachshunds to compete in flyball competitions in the UK as she bloody loves a ball, and we're also working on her gold level for scentwork, should anyone ever need a 6 inch high sniffer dog!
My younger, Chip, is the opposite, very distracted when working and naturally curious, but incredibly affectionate and adored other people. With him scentwork is a way to get him to engage his brain and focus on a job, and flyball helps to teach him that being around other dogs doesn't automatically mean "playtime"3 -
Unlikely to find a horse walking down your local high street though.cafcfan said:
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)0 -
I don't know..Croydon said:
Unlikely to find a horse walking down your local high street though.cafcfan said:
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)
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Reason why I'd probably never ride a horse again. Or ride pilion on a bike for that matterseth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.0 -
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Interesting conversation with the owner of a Dachshund on the other side of the road that obviously wanted to kill Bowyer!
I called across and said “you’d think the Germans would stick together “
The reply from a puzzled looking owner
”I’ll have you know he was born in Maidstone”
Knowing when I was beaten I walked on 🤷♂️11 -
Pay a visit to Chatham, one of my mates is often down there exercising one of his horses pulling him along in a cart!Croydon said:
Unlikely to find a horse walking down your local high street though.cafcfan said:
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)
I got some heat for stating that Daschunds were on the dangerous dogs list, I agree they look cute but they also fucking love biting things and people0 -
I’ve tempted fate today with my comments, Valli appears a little out of condition so Bowyer will attend school in her place.Now it could be she is just be getting a winter coat, but the normal shine is very flat indicating something isn’t quite right.
So she’ll be monitored over the weekend with an appointment made for Monday if no improvement happens.
If she is ill how wrong would I be to put a dog in the position where an innocent child could touch her in a place that may now be sore.
Like I said, she may just be coating but it could be more serious and I don’t take chances.1 -
We had a fair bit of pressure from the vet that we should have JJ snipped at 6 months for his health and wellbeing. It was a hard day taking him in but we got him back on the same day and it went smoothly thankfully. With more experience, some dogs need it done and some don't. 6 months is probably too early to know if your dog does.0
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Looking after my aunt's dog today. She was circling between me and the back door so I let her out and she did a wee in the garden. Then she came straight in and shat in the dining room.
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Who,your Aunt.Chunes said:Looking after my aunt's dog today. She was circling between me and the back door so I let her out and she did a wee in the garden. Then she came straight in and shat in the dining room.15 -
All the time in my village. And then there's Appleby in June.....Croydon said:
Unlikely to find a horse walking down your local high street though.cafcfan said:
Yeah but horses are totally bonkers, vicious and almost brain-free. Recent US data show that 1 in 10,000 horse riders die every year from horse related accidents. If the Government was being honest about dangerous dogs and saving lives, it would start by banning horses. (Unless being breed for meat obviously.)seth plum said:I once heard an interview with a film stunt artist who said he would much rather do a stunt involving a motorcycle crash than one with horses.
The reasoning being that inanimate machinery is easier to predict than the behaviour of an animal.
I love dogs, but they are not machines and they can kick off even if they’re little sausage dogs.
Sausage dogs are not the cutie-pies they look. The clue is in the name: Dachshund means badger hound. You'd have to be a tough little bastard to go after one of those. (Weird fact of the day, despite dachshund being a German word (obviously) Germans call them either Dackel or Teckel.)
(Not to mention Thamesmead https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/16391059.paddy-dohertys-nephew-killed-thamesmead-horse-and-cart-crash/)0 -
Just adding some positivity around the thread.
Chatting earlier to our very own @sadiejane1981 on the radio box, where I publicly got the chance to thank Cafc fans and I didn't forget our friendly Spanners for your support, last week was the anniversary of Baileys death, born in 2010 he qualified as a Therapy dog in 2011 and his first visit was because of this forum in 2012/13 to Sparrows lane, that kick started me down the most rewarding route of working with mainstream and additional needs children.
Now with our third generation of Therapy dogs and a part of the furniture at St Georges school here in Minster on sea we'll continue until we cant do it anymore.
Ray
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Twice recently, I've taken my 2 year old out in the park outside my house and had a dog come sprinting at him from 50m away...
Both occasions lead to altercations with the owners....
The law says people must keep their dogs under control, right?
It annoys me when owners say "He's friendly" or some such. Sorry, pal...I'm not risking my kid getting savaged on your say so....
Any advice from the dog folk on here on how to deal with such situations?
I saw fenced off dig areas in parks in the states - that makes a lot more sense to me than letting them have free roaming in areas with kids and humans who don't want to be bothered by them.....4 -
Siv_in_Norfolk said:Twice recently, I've taken my 2 year old out in the park outside my house and had a dog come sprinting at him from 50m away...
Both occasions lead to altercations with the owners....
The law says people must keep their dogs under control, right?
It annoys me when owners say "He's friendly" or some such. Sorry, pal...I'm not risking my kid getting savaged on your say so....
Any advice from the dog folk on here on how to deal with such situations?
I saw fenced off dig areas in parks in the states - that makes a lot more sense to me than letting them have free roaming in areas with kids and humans who don't want to be bothered by them.....Similar happened to me and my son in Horn park except my son promptly grassed me up to mum by saying "dad called a man a c*nt".After being told he shouldn't say that word and nor should daddy. He told everyone he met.8
