So who are our new owners then? Board looking for new investors p14

AberystwythAddick

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

That’s on jones though not the owners 

Rothko

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

If you had asked that in October, people would have said it was inspired, now it looks bad, and in May, it might have been ok. If you read how people rated the window in September, they were delighted, hindsight is a wonderful thing

CAFCTrev

Like I’ve said before, for Charlton the Championship has to be square one. League One is square minus one, and I really don’t want to see us spending another five years or more back down there.

ShootersHillGuru

AberystwythAddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

That’s on jones though not the owners 

It’s definitely more on the shoulders of Jones than the owners but the owners chose Jones and gave him a lot of authority and autonomy. The owners also haven’t put in place a sensible management structure with a CEO that knows football and can rein in the crazier side of our manager. We went for league one punts when in truth we might have been better going for fewer but tested players. 

cafcfan

CheshireAddick said:

Not sure if this has been covered, but for me the directors Q&A last week worried me.

I thought Gavin Carter looked a bit like a 'rabbit in the headlights'. Public speaking may not be his speciality but as the Chairman of a significant sporting business I would expect him (as a very successful business owner in his own right) to have significantly more confidence and leadership than what he showed, it almost was like he did'nt believe what he was saying himself.

 It looked like weak leadership and that worried me. I'm sure things are not going swimmingly behind the scenes.

However... Roderick can bullshit for England.

 Hope I'm wrong. 

For the moment, I am sticking with the idea that Gav was out getting rat-faced with Peter Garland the previous evening and his low-key performance and jaded appearance reflected that.

Lewis Coaches

fenaddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ns9 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’ve never quite understood why rich but distant businessmen buy football clubs. It’s a ridiculously expensive and mostly fruitless unless it becomes a passion and they become true fans and get the same buzz we do out of being a supporter. In the case of our group of owners I think this is very much a financial investment and they’ve bought into it very much with a view to a possible return. They fully understand the risks and are not prepared to sink money in beyond what for them is a small investment each year with a bit of spice over and above their other assets. Are they supporters ? I don’t think so anything more than having a vested interest and the fact that they are probably sports fans. I’m sure there’s a smile when we win. Passion ? I doubt that. I think rightly or wrongly there was something like a five year plan and I do think that our promotion last season came ahead of their best expectations. I agree with Henry that it looks like there’s a budget with a little flexibility but not so much that it’s allowing us to buy better Championship players. I think the club gambled last summer that buying better League One players would be enough but in all honesty it’s backfired and we find ourselves needing six or seven January reinforcements and facing the real possibility of a quick return to league one. A relegation would probably reverse any advantage our “early” promotion gave the plan and I’d suggest if we start in league one next season we’ll be behind the curve not ahead of it. Don’t blame them for having a budget and sticking with it but it’s hard to understand not backing your investment a bit more when not will actually cost you money. Huge mistake not getting in a football CEO and I’d suggest that the amount of control Nathan has over footballing matters is as much of a hindrance as it is a plus. NJ reporting to a football CEO would be a benefit to Jones because I think his focus and belief sometimes muddies his view. As far as our signings this window are concerned I doubt many of us are blown away and we have to just hope that the experience we’ve brought in works enough to keep us up. 

Absolutely spot on

Ditto. 

Maybe Rodwell & Warrick are happy to "share" the duties usually taken on by a CEO which would be a money saving issue, albeit they wouldn't step up for free ? 

I have advocated for some time for an experienced CEO to be appointed sooner rather than later & I believe SHG has made the point clearer than I have. 

I wonder how many other posts at our club are "vacant" ? 

I'm led to believe that we currently have an INTERIM Head of Marketing .....

And no SLO

Fanny states agood point, i wonder how many posts are vacant at our club? NO CEO, and no SLO what ever that is ,unless that was Micks job. INTERIM Head of MARKETING is that Steves old job.

What CHARLTON require is the correct people in place to carry out the work. 

Fanny Fanackapan

Lewis Coaches said:

fenaddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ns9 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’ve never quite understood why rich but distant businessmen buy football clubs. It’s a ridiculously expensive and mostly fruitless unless it becomes a passion and they become true fans and get the same buzz we do out of being a supporter. In the case of our group of owners I think this is very much a financial investment and they’ve bought into it very much with a view to a possible return. They fully understand the risks and are not prepared to sink money in beyond what for them is a small investment each year with a bit of spice over and above their other assets. Are they supporters ? I don’t think so anything more than having a vested interest and the fact that they are probably sports fans. I’m sure there’s a smile when we win. Passion ? I doubt that. I think rightly or wrongly there was something like a five year plan and I do think that our promotion last season came ahead of their best expectations. I agree with Henry that it looks like there’s a budget with a little flexibility but not so much that it’s allowing us to buy better Championship players. I think the club gambled last summer that buying better League One players would be enough but in all honesty it’s backfired and we find ourselves needing six or seven January reinforcements and facing the real possibility of a quick return to league one. A relegation would probably reverse any advantage our “early” promotion gave the plan and I’d suggest if we start in league one next season we’ll be behind the curve not ahead of it. Don’t blame them for having a budget and sticking with it but it’s hard to understand not backing your investment a bit more when not will actually cost you money. Huge mistake not getting in a football CEO and I’d suggest that the amount of control Nathan has over footballing matters is as much of a hindrance as it is a plus. NJ reporting to a football CEO would be a benefit to Jones because I think his focus and belief sometimes muddies his view. As far as our signings this window are concerned I doubt many of us are blown away and we have to just hope that the experience we’ve brought in works enough to keep us up. 

Absolutely spot on

Ditto. 

Maybe Rodwell & Warrick are happy to "share" the duties usually taken on by a CEO which would be a money saving issue, albeit they wouldn't step up for free ? 

I have advocated for some time for an experienced CEO to be appointed sooner rather than later & I believe SHG has made the point clearer than I have. 

I wonder how many other posts at our club are "vacant" ? 

I'm led to believe that we currently have an INTERIM Head of Marketing .....

And no SLO

Fanny states agood point, i wonder how many posts are vacant at our club? NO CEO, and no SLO what ever that is ,unless that was Micks job. INTERIM Head of MARKETING is that Steves old job.

What CHARLTON require is the correct people in place to carry out the work. 

So true, LC.

Both on & off the pitch.

shirty5

Lewis Coaches said:

fenaddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ns9 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’ve never quite understood why rich but distant businessmen buy football clubs. It’s a ridiculously expensive and mostly fruitless unless it becomes a passion and they become true fans and get the same buzz we do out of being a supporter. In the case of our group of owners I think this is very much a financial investment and they’ve bought into it very much with a view to a possible return. They fully understand the risks and are not prepared to sink money in beyond what for them is a small investment each year with a bit of spice over and above their other assets. Are they supporters ? I don’t think so anything more than having a vested interest and the fact that they are probably sports fans. I’m sure there’s a smile when we win. Passion ? I doubt that. I think rightly or wrongly there was something like a five year plan and I do think that our promotion last season came ahead of their best expectations. I agree with Henry that it looks like there’s a budget with a little flexibility but not so much that it’s allowing us to buy better Championship players. I think the club gambled last summer that buying better League One players would be enough but in all honesty it’s backfired and we find ourselves needing six or seven January reinforcements and facing the real possibility of a quick return to league one. A relegation would probably reverse any advantage our “early” promotion gave the plan and I’d suggest if we start in league one next season we’ll be behind the curve not ahead of it. Don’t blame them for having a budget and sticking with it but it’s hard to understand not backing your investment a bit more when not will actually cost you money. Huge mistake not getting in a football CEO and I’d suggest that the amount of control Nathan has over footballing matters is as much of a hindrance as it is a plus. NJ reporting to a football CEO would be a benefit to Jones because I think his focus and belief sometimes muddies his view. As far as our signings this window are concerned I doubt many of us are blown away and we have to just hope that the experience we’ve brought in works enough to keep us up. 

Absolutely spot on

Ditto. 

Maybe Rodwell & Warrick are happy to "share" the duties usually taken on by a CEO which would be a money saving issue, albeit they wouldn't step up for free ? 

I have advocated for some time for an experienced CEO to be appointed sooner rather than later & I believe SHG has made the point clearer than I have. 

I wonder how many other posts at our club are "vacant" ? 

I'm led to believe that we currently have an INTERIM Head of Marketing .....

And no SLO

Fanny states agood point, i wonder how many posts are vacant at our club? NO CEO, and no SLO what ever that is ,unless that was Micks job. INTERIM Head of MARKETING is that Steves old job.

What CHARLTON require is the correct people in place to carry out the work. 

SLO stands for supporters liaison officer which every club in the football league must have a designated name for that role.

As of the Meet the Directors evening the ticket staff are dealing with any emails sent in via the Fans@cafc.co.uk until they find a replacement 

As long as things are being dealt with then it makes no odds whose name is doing that job.

When Forest Green were in the EFL, Dale Vince had his name shown as their SLO and as we all know he’s the owner 

Fanny Fanackapan

shirty5 said:

Lewis Coaches said:

fenaddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ns9 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’ve never quite understood why rich but distant businessmen buy football clubs. It’s a ridiculously expensive and mostly fruitless unless it becomes a passion and they become true fans and get the same buzz we do out of being a supporter. In the case of our group of owners I think this is very much a financial investment and they’ve bought into it very much with a view to a possible return. They fully understand the risks and are not prepared to sink money in beyond what for them is a small investment each year with a bit of spice over and above their other assets. Are they supporters ? I don’t think so anything more than having a vested interest and the fact that they are probably sports fans. I’m sure there’s a smile when we win. Passion ? I doubt that. I think rightly or wrongly there was something like a five year plan and I do think that our promotion last season came ahead of their best expectations. I agree with Henry that it looks like there’s a budget with a little flexibility but not so much that it’s allowing us to buy better Championship players. I think the club gambled last summer that buying better League One players would be enough but in all honesty it’s backfired and we find ourselves needing six or seven January reinforcements and facing the real possibility of a quick return to league one. A relegation would probably reverse any advantage our “early” promotion gave the plan and I’d suggest if we start in league one next season we’ll be behind the curve not ahead of it. Don’t blame them for having a budget and sticking with it but it’s hard to understand not backing your investment a bit more when not will actually cost you money. Huge mistake not getting in a football CEO and I’d suggest that the amount of control Nathan has over footballing matters is as much of a hindrance as it is a plus. NJ reporting to a football CEO would be a benefit to Jones because I think his focus and belief sometimes muddies his view. As far as our signings this window are concerned I doubt many of us are blown away and we have to just hope that the experience we’ve brought in works enough to keep us up. 

Absolutely spot on

Ditto. 

Maybe Rodwell & Warrick are happy to "share" the duties usually taken on by a CEO which would be a money saving issue, albeit they wouldn't step up for free ? 

I have advocated for some time for an experienced CEO to be appointed sooner rather than later & I believe SHG has made the point clearer than I have. 

I wonder how many other posts at our club are "vacant" ? 

I'm led to believe that we currently have an INTERIM Head of Marketing .....

And no SLO

Fanny states agood point, i wonder how many posts are vacant at our club? NO CEO, and no SLO what ever that is ,unless that was Micks job. INTERIM Head of MARKETING is that Steves old job.

What CHARLTON require is the correct people in place to carry out the work. 

SLO stands for supporters liaison officer which every club in the football league must have a designated name for that role.

As of the Meet the Directors evening the ticket staff are dealing with any emails sent in via the Fans@cafc.co.uk until they find a replacement 

As long as things are being dealt with then it makes no odds whose name is doing that job.

When Forest Green were in the EFL, Dale Vince had his name shown as their SLO and as we all know he’s the owner 

Just take a look at the link to "Staff" on our OS. You might be surprised...especially under the 3rd heading.

Co-owners 

Board of Directors 

Senior Staff 

Club Ambassadors

Chris_from_Sidcup

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

It hasn't been spent wisely at all, in fact most of it looks to have been completely wasted. But the conversation here is around the owners spending, and they've spent a fair bit. I recall back to the summer and most fans were pretty surprised that we spent 10m because it was far more than we were expecting. 

The fact it's mostly been wasted is on Jones and (i assume) Chapple. We can't blame the owners. In fact if i was an owner i'd be seriously questioning recruitment, getting Chapple in to explain things and also looking to get a proper CEO in place asap.

Henry Irving

Lewis Coaches said:

fenaddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ns9 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’ve never quite understood why rich but distant businessmen buy football clubs. It’s a ridiculously expensive and mostly fruitless unless it becomes a passion and they become true fans and get the same buzz we do out of being a supporter. In the case of our group of owners I think this is very much a financial investment and they’ve bought into it very much with a view to a possible return. They fully understand the risks and are not prepared to sink money in beyond what for them is a small investment each year with a bit of spice over and above their other assets. Are they supporters ? I don’t think so anything more than having a vested interest and the fact that they are probably sports fans. I’m sure there’s a smile when we win. Passion ? I doubt that. I think rightly or wrongly there was something like a five year plan and I do think that our promotion last season came ahead of their best expectations. I agree with Henry that it looks like there’s a budget with a little flexibility but not so much that it’s allowing us to buy better Championship players. I think the club gambled last summer that buying better League One players would be enough but in all honesty it’s backfired and we find ourselves needing six or seven January reinforcements and facing the real possibility of a quick return to league one. A relegation would probably reverse any advantage our “early” promotion gave the plan and I’d suggest if we start in league one next season we’ll be behind the curve not ahead of it. Don’t blame them for having a budget and sticking with it but it’s hard to understand not backing your investment a bit more when not will actually cost you money. Huge mistake not getting in a football CEO and I’d suggest that the amount of control Nathan has over footballing matters is as much of a hindrance as it is a plus. NJ reporting to a football CEO would be a benefit to Jones because I think his focus and belief sometimes muddies his view. As far as our signings this window are concerned I doubt many of us are blown away and we have to just hope that the experience we’ve brought in works enough to keep us up. 

Absolutely spot on

Ditto. 

Maybe Rodwell & Warrick are happy to "share" the duties usually taken on by a CEO which would be a money saving issue, albeit they wouldn't step up for free ? 

I have advocated for some time for an experienced CEO to be appointed sooner rather than later & I believe SHG has made the point clearer than I have. 

I wonder how many other posts at our club are "vacant" ? 

I'm led to believe that we currently have an INTERIM Head of Marketing .....

And no SLO

Fanny states agood point, i wonder how many posts are vacant at our club? NO CEO, and no SLO what ever that is ,unless that was Micks job. INTERIM Head of MARKETING is that Steves old job.

What CHARLTON require is the correct people in place to carry out the work. 

I agree that we do appear, from the outside, slow in filling vacancies but anyone who has ever recruited to senior roles knows it takes time.

They were keen on Murphey but that fell thru.  They know appear to have changed tack from a football CEO to a commercial CEO.

We have now appointed a new SLO (Supporters Liaison Officer) but they are working their notice, so I'm told.

Ultimately, the manager has the final say on players recruited.

The alternative is to go back to either having the DOF selecting the players which went so well under Andy Scott or even better get the owners son with a very hard shot to do the job.

Nathan Jones has made mistakes, that's on him.  The owners can either back their manager or sack him.  What they shouldn't do is play at Football Manager with a real football club.

Athletico Charlton

Rothko said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

If you had asked that in October, people would have said it was inspired, now it looks bad, and in May, it might have been ok. If you read how people rated the window in September, they were delighted, hindsight is a wonderful thing

Talk for yourself, when the window closed I said that we didn't have enough on the left side of our defence. It was obvious.  

DOUCHER

CAFCTrev said:

Like I’ve said before, for Charlton the Championship has to be square one. League One is square minus one, and I really don’t want to see us spending another five years or more back down there.

Rothko said:

What we've spent this summer isn't that unusual for a team coming up from League 1, sorry to use that lot from Bermondsey as a comparator, but they didn't spend huge money in their first few years in the Championship, and have only got to the money being spent on Coburn now. Just think people are slightly deluded if they think we could match what the average top half Championship side can spend, without either a bottomless pit of cash, or selling someone like Esse, who have help fund Millwall's current squad. 

exactly - in the 80@ and 90@ we managed to be comfortable in the second tier whilst ground sharing and walking around with buckets to sign players - its all relative and we should not be looking at the championship as some sort of super league - its only viewed as a superleague if you are paying way below the going rate and therefore have sub standard players - how did we manage it before without a pot to piss in?  

DOUCHER

our billionaires would have been millionaire's in the 80's and 90's - putting £3m a year in now is the equivalent of a hell of a lot less than it was in 1983  

charltonbob

Athletico Charlton said:

Rothko said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

If you had asked that in October, people would have said it was inspired, now it looks bad, and in May, it might have been ok. If you read how people rated the window in September, they were delighted, hindsight is a wonderful thing

Talk for yourself, when the window closed I said that we didn't have enough on the left side of our defence. It was obvious.  

It was obvious then & it's still fucking obvious.

RodneyCharltonTrotta

Rothko said:

We were heading to League 2 about 18months ago, so I get the feeling we've got as a club a bit ahead of ourselves, and if we can stay up, the club will catch up with itself. £12m spend is sweet FA in this league 

The poor couple of months plus thumping at millwall has compounded a grim outlook.

In reality id have bitten hands off to be 19th at this stage of the season. Stabilise herein, get a fortress mentality and all get behind the team and jones and get a few good results and things will look and feel a lot sunnier.

Finishing 21st will be a massive achievement this season and we're currently ahead of that. No where near being cut adrift and sheffield Wednesday gone so a case of beating the other 4 below us in remaining points or anyone else who slips in and we'll be laughing.

Hopefully new signings will be the shake up the squad needs in terms of harmony and reinvigorate the team to start firing again.

Negativity and pessimism  will breed more of it and cynical catastrophising or speculating wont help.

Lots of points to fight for and we need that cohesion and unity from the top of the club down and the fans that existed in autumn.

KiwiValley

I just want to give @Airman Brown a shout out for not telling us who the mega, mega rich person/entity was that was sniffing around Charlton a ways back. Whoever/whatever it was sounded transformationally wealthy and AB must struggle for sleep to this day thinking about what might have been. It’s a great mercy he hasn’t taken us into that tent.

sam3110

KiwiValley said:

I just want to give @Airman Brown a shout out for not telling us who the mega, mega rich person/entity was that was sniffing around Charlton a ways back. Whoever/whatever it was sounded transformationally wealthy and AB must struggle for sleep to this day thinking about what might have been. It’s a great mercy he hasn’t taken us into that tent.

Probably the guys that took over Man City, wasn't it around the same time? 

KiwiValley

sam3110 said:

KiwiValley said:

I just want to give @Airman Brown a shout out for not telling us who the mega, mega rich person/entity was that was sniffing around Charlton a ways back. Whoever/whatever it was sounded transformationally wealthy and AB must struggle for sleep to this day thinking about what might have been. It’s a great mercy he hasn’t taken us into that tent.

Probably the guys that took over Man City, wasn't it around the same time? 

Newcastle do you mean ?

stoneroses19

DOUCHER said:

AberystwythAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

Wanting to become London's 4th biggest club and working to a strict (3rd lowest in the division) budget does not compute. That and carter and rodwell saying the owners have been great and given us everything we've asked for - well that doesn't compute either, otherwise we surely would have bought the sort of quality that we needed not to be in a relegation battle.  

When you set out to do something I assume you complete it instantly then? 

The owners have spent massive amounts of money, how that has been spent by others is not their fault. You could hardly say after last season that they couldn’t trust Jones to deliver another good season. It’s not in them that recruitment has gone tits up. 

You are being unreasonable to suggest that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle this season 

I disagree. Do you think they've got all their money tied up in premium bonds? Maybe we went up a year earlier than expected /budgeted but you have to adjust. £12m is probably okay as a new player budget if you already have a Championship squad but clearly isn't enough if you've just scraped up through the play offs. They may be happy chucking a certain amount away each year and not adjusting that and maybe Jones is happy on his 5 year deal going up and down if necessary - u could say its like when we went up to the prem and back down then back up - BUT - this is between what should be our baseline (2nd division) and 3rd division, not the second division and 1st. They may all be happy with their project but I, and every other Charlton fan i know sees going back into League 1 as an absolute nightmare. we've all had enough of it. These owners are more animated when the women's team are playing according to carter - says it all to me - i've got zero interest in Charlton's women team and still wouldn't if they won the Women's champions league.     

How much was you expecting the owners to spend last summer and this month then? 

CharltonManor1966

Point is surely that not only has their 10 mill transfer kitty for this season been largely wasted by Jones but they are also funding a loss making business to the tune of 15 mill per year.
No wonder the owners didn't want to pump more in this transfer window. As Shooters and others have said - it's largely on Jones' head and his latest moves reek of desperation!?
Stay up at all costs.......but only within the original budget.

DOUCHER

stoneroses19 said:

DOUCHER said:

AberystwythAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

Wanting to become London's 4th biggest club and working to a strict (3rd lowest in the division) budget does not compute. That and carter and rodwell saying the owners have been great and given us everything we've asked for - well that doesn't compute either, otherwise we surely would have bought the sort of quality that we needed not to be in a relegation battle.  

When you set out to do something I assume you complete it instantly then? 

The owners have spent massive amounts of money, how that has been spent by others is not their fault. You could hardly say after last season that they couldn’t trust Jones to deliver another good season. It’s not in them that recruitment has gone tits up. 

You are being unreasonable to suggest that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle this season 

I disagree. Do you think they've got all their money tied up in premium bonds? Maybe we went up a year earlier than expected /budgeted but you have to adjust. £12m is probably okay as a new player budget if you already have a Championship squad but clearly isn't enough if you've just scraped up through the play offs. They may be happy chucking a certain amount away each year and not adjusting that and maybe Jones is happy on his 5 year deal going up and down if necessary - u could say its like when we went up to the prem and back down then back up - BUT - this is between what should be our baseline (2nd division) and 3rd division, not the second division and 1st. They may all be happy with their project but I, and every other Charlton fan i know sees going back into League 1 as an absolute nightmare. we've all had enough of it. These owners are more animated when the women's team are playing according to carter - says it all to me - i've got zero interest in Charlton's women team and still wouldn't if they won the Women's champions league.     

How much was you expecting the owners to spend last summer and this month then? 

enough to keep us up and not get trounced by our local rivals 

Crispywood

39M in losses is allowed over 3 years at CH.
We’re on track to lose 13-14M this year. 

They’ve invested a perfectly reasonable amount this season, if Jones wastes that money or we as a club can’t generate enough revenue to invest more that’s not on them 

Lewis Coaches

stoneroses19 said:

DOUCHER said:

AberystwythAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

Wanting to become London's 4th biggest club and working to a strict (3rd lowest in the division) budget does not compute. That and carter and rodwell saying the owners have been great and given us everything we've asked for - well that doesn't compute either, otherwise we surely would have bought the sort of quality that we needed not to be in a relegation battle.  

When you set out to do something I assume you complete it instantly then? 

The owners have spent massive amounts of money, how that has been spent by others is not their fault. You could hardly say after last season that they couldn’t trust Jones to deliver another good season. It’s not in them that recruitment has gone tits up. 

You are being unreasonable to suggest that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle this season 

I disagree. Do you think they've got all their money tied up in premium bonds? Maybe we went up a year earlier than expected /budgeted but you have to adjust. £12m is probably okay as a new player budget if you already have a Championship squad but clearly isn't enough if you've just scraped up through the play offs. They may be happy chucking a certain amount away each year and not adjusting that and maybe Jones is happy on his 5 year deal going up and down if necessary - u could say its like when we went up to the prem and back down then back up - BUT - this is between what should be our baseline (2nd division) and 3rd division, not the second division and 1st. They may all be happy with their project but I, and every other Charlton fan i know sees going back into League 1 as an absolute nightmare. we've all had enough of it. These owners are more animated when the women's team are playing according to carter - says it all to me - i've got zero interest in Charlton's women team and still wouldn't if they won the Women's champions league.     

How much was you expecting the owners to spend last summer and this month then? 

About 10shillings and six pence .

Lewis Coaches

CharltonManor1966 said:

Point is surely that not only has their 10 mill transfer kitty for this season been largely wasted by Jones but they are also funding a loss making business to the tune of 15 mill per year.
No wonder the owners didn't want to pump more in this transfer window. As Shooters and others have said - it's largely on Jones' head and his latest moves reek of desperation!?
Stay up at all costs.......but only within the original budget.

Surely the owners knew what a football club would make in a season. ie loss of millions.The owners would not have been silly enough to think money could be made from football,let alone Charlton.

Stu_of_Kunming

ShootersHillGuru said:

Rothko said:

I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.

We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money

How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster. 

Wisely enough that we’ve not dropped into relegation spots once so far. 

ElfsborgAddick

Lewis Coaches said:

CharltonManor1966 said:

Point is surely that not only has their 10 mill transfer kitty for this season been largely wasted by Jones but they are also funding a loss making business to the tune of 15 mill per year.
No wonder the owners didn't want to pump more in this transfer window. As Shooters and others have said - it's largely on Jones' head and his latest moves reek of desperation!?
Stay up at all costs.......but only within the original budget.

Surely the owners knew what a football club would make in a season. ie loss of millions.The owners would not have been silly enough to think money could be made from football,let alone Charlton.

Depends on how much they listened to Charlie boy.

Dave Rudd

Sporting KPI back on track.

35/29 = 1.207

1.207 x 46 = 55.5

55.5 > 50 (or 52)

Get in!

stoneroses19

DOUCHER said:

stoneroses19 said:

DOUCHER said:

AberystwythAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

Wanting to become London's 4th biggest club and working to a strict (3rd lowest in the division) budget does not compute. That and carter and rodwell saying the owners have been great and given us everything we've asked for - well that doesn't compute either, otherwise we surely would have bought the sort of quality that we needed not to be in a relegation battle.  

When you set out to do something I assume you complete it instantly then? 

The owners have spent massive amounts of money, how that has been spent by others is not their fault. You could hardly say after last season that they couldn’t trust Jones to deliver another good season. It’s not in them that recruitment has gone tits up. 

You are being unreasonable to suggest that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle this season 

I disagree. Do you think they've got all their money tied up in premium bonds? Maybe we went up a year earlier than expected /budgeted but you have to adjust. £12m is probably okay as a new player budget if you already have a Championship squad but clearly isn't enough if you've just scraped up through the play offs. They may be happy chucking a certain amount away each year and not adjusting that and maybe Jones is happy on his 5 year deal going up and down if necessary - u could say its like when we went up to the prem and back down then back up - BUT - this is between what should be our baseline (2nd division) and 3rd division, not the second division and 1st. They may all be happy with their project but I, and every other Charlton fan i know sees going back into League 1 as an absolute nightmare. we've all had enough of it. These owners are more animated when the women's team are playing according to carter - says it all to me - i've got zero interest in Charlton's women team and still wouldn't if they won the Women's champions league.     

How much was you expecting the owners to spend last summer and this month then? 

enough to keep us up and not get trounced by our local rivals 

I'll give you the latter, but you have no idea if we have spent enough to stay up this season.