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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Port Vale: Saturday 19th August 2023: KO 3:00 PM
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How the fuck does Payne think my first touch will be a free kick, that I’ll try to score with my silly little steps before I start my run up?7
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Sky video is up if you can be bothered to watch it
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Did he give his usual post match interview on charlton tv?peterreeves said:No comments from Dean as yet is a mystery... But you'd hope he'd be in with the board saying help!
Unfortunately I don't think it's coming!0 -
YesFortune 82nd Minute said:
Did he give his usual post match interview on charlton tv?peterreeves said:No comments from Dean as yet is a mystery... But you'd hope he'd be in with the board saying help!
Unfortunately I don't think it's coming!0 -
Finally.SouthLincsAddick said:Thing is Methven has hoodwinked the owners. He’s told them the club just needs to be run properly by a professional SMT and we’ll get promoted. No need for silly money. So no new funds are incoming, a budget has been set and we’ll get two more quality first team players, and a few kids on loan. This is what Methven ownership looks like. Pretty much the same as TS.28 -
Tried it last week at Peterborough. Today hitting the wall was a lot closer for himguinnessaddick said:How the fuck does Payne think my first touch will be a free kick, that I’ll try to score with my silly little steps before I start my run up?1 -
Just seen Dean's interview and besides feeling slightly sea sick through his constant swaying with the microphone he said nothing of any value... Again.
Same old stuff about about Andy Scott trying to bring in I or 2 players last week and that didn't work out blah blah blah....
1 or 2 players Dean? Are you joking?
Why aren't you being the honest bloke that a lot of fans thought you were?
You've surely known since Spain that we've needed 5 or 6 players.
i want to give the man a chance but if every Manager that we get is just going to say nothing when things are really wrong then we really are done for.
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We are eight players short, in my opinion with four of those yet to be brought into the club. I agree with some posters on about Hector, he doesn't look the player we had last season, for whatever reason. Plus points, there isn't many, we had two strikers who caused problems when we got the ball to them and whoever our owners are, they should be under no illusion after the last three games that they need to invest within the next twelve days. The posts on here are still quite positive, perhaps even forgiving, but that will soon turn if signings who are a class above what we already have are not brought into the club.5
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Can’t defend, desperately short on forwards since pre season and unless there are at least 2 proper centre forwards brought in (plus Leaburn) before the window closes we are going no where.Why was DJ on the pitch let alone on the bloody bench.Fucking Shambles1
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Yep and yepLargeAddick said:
This is spot on. They all played well today but they shouldn't be starting game in game out. I forgive Asiimwe his error, he's learning, it happens. Hector is inexcusable though. I thought he was Championship quality. Isn't the rule in such instances don't let the ball bounce?Bedsaddick said:This is what happens when you don't invest in the squad. We've seen it year after year.
I feel for Anderson , Kanu and Asiimwe as they were superb today but we are going to destroy them before the month is out at this rate.0 -
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You’d have got long odds on Charlton taking zero points from the two home games this week - especially against two opponents who haven’t won away for several months - but that is where we are after another calamitous defensive performance.
There were some bright passages of play, notably from our teenagers, but the team is hopelessly fragile and there is a serious mentality issue. Hector’s error was horrendous and the man seems to lack focus and be prone to lapses in concentration.
Anderson was excellent and Kanu and Asiimwe also performed very well. The latter’s error at the end was very unfortunate but, after AMB’s save, why weren’t our other defenders busting a gut to defend the subsequent cross (rather like Bristol Rover’s first goal on Tuesday) ? Asiimwe was also bombing forward at every opportunity, in the manner of a wing back in a back five (doubtless under instructions), and I think his error was partly attributable to fatigue on his part.
The squad is threadbare but I think there are also questions around the coaching and management of these players. After four defeats on the bounce, the pressure will continue to mount and we need to turn things around quickly. As well as recruiting a couple of decent players on permanent deals, we have to hope we can secure a few decent loans, although being down in 18th position in the fledgling table (19th but for Wigan’s big points deduction) is not a good look.
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But we started off only signing defenders......kinveachyaddick said:It was clear it was clear last year to the more perceptive observers that our problems were at the back rather than scoring goals. Same again so far this season. Clean sheet against a promoted side who had no threat and then plenty conceded in four successive defeats - fingers need to be pointed at the manager and his coaching staff.
Hector
Jones
Thomas
And then Edun joined a few weeks ago.
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We could play 653 and McGrandles still wouldn't get a gameRoanRedNY said:
5 4 3 should crack itChunes said:
We went to 442 for 10 minutes on Tuesday and got roasted by their 3-man midfield down the middlekentred2 said:
Been saying that for ages. 4 4 2 with good players is all you need. So we need still two full backs, two wide midfielders and a centre forward.East Kent Addick said:
Funnily enough the one time CBT went wide right he delivered the cross for Kanu's equaliser - playing him as an inverted winger on the left means he is always trying to cut in on his right and PV sussed that out eventually and closed him down. Me I'm just an old fashioned 442 man who wants a left footer on the left and a right footer on the right to cross the ball into the box.RonnieMoore said:Holden still not addressed the main problem and that is wingers who can cross the ball .. loads of good positions we got into and wasted .. no
point in a new striker if we can’t get the ball in .. Dobson miss in 99 th was poor yet there was people clapping him if that had been Payne or Kirk would they have clapped ?? Ref was awful another red card missed and the handball in the 99 th min ..
but today was down to Holden he let PV crowd mid and them really feed Asiimwe to the wolfs the kid was shot after 35 mins why he kept him on ???? Poor management
All these modern fluid formations might work well at the top level but with a bunch of kids and useless third div players you are better off going back to basics with a solid formation where everyone knows their role.3 -
Been to all 5 games so far.Honeymoon over.We aren’t any good.
Can’t beat pony sides at home.May looks a dudYet another season in L1 coming up.Every chance Holden gone by Xmas.5 -
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A lot worse, on the pitch, than it went at Sunderland?SouthLincsAddick said:Sorry, posted this on the match thread just before it closed. Sunderland fans were sending us commiserations that Methven was involved in the take over but we thought it would be different with us, how’s it going?
I have got two good friends that are Sunderland fans, one thinks Methven is the anti Christ. The other thinks a lot of things happened that would have happened whoever was in charge and Methven took the blame.
Yes Sunderland took 3 years to get out the division but they got to the play offs, at least, every year they were in it.0 -
The mistakes for the second and third Vale goals are pretty dreadful.ross1 said:Sky video is up if you can be bothered to watch it1 -
We are quite a few players short and I’m not sure Scott is the deal maker that Gallen was
More or a concern is that even with a budget some of the players don’t look any better than those that weren’t offered a contract
Terry Taylor is a poor man’s Albie Morgan and Jones is just a lump
Camara and May are different to what we had last season and do look a step up
We need a bloody good centre back, a good wide player and a forward at least to make this side competitive7 -
Chunes said:
We went to 442 for 10 minutes on Tuesday and got roasted by their 3-man midfield down the middlekentred2 said:
Been saying that for ages. 4 4 2 with good players is all you need. So we need still two full backs, two wide midfielders and a centre forward.East Kent Addick said:
Funnily enough the one time CBT went wide right he delivered the cross for Kanu's equaliser - playing him as an inverted winger on the left means he is always trying to cut in on his right and PV sussed that out eventually and closed him down. Me I'm just an old fashioned 442 man who wants a left footer on the left and a right footer on the right to cross the ball into the box.RonnieMoore said:Holden still not addressed the main problem and that is wingers who can cross the ball .. loads of good positions we got into and wasted .. no
point in a new striker if we can’t get the ball in .. Dobson miss in 99 th was poor yet there was people clapping him if that had been Payne or Kirk would they have clapped ?? Ref was awful another red card missed and the handball in the 99 th min ..
but today was down to Holden he let PV crowd mid and them really feed Asiimwe to the wolfs the kid was shot after 35 mins why he kept him on ???? Poor management
All these modern fluid formations might work well at the top level but with a bunch of kids and useless third div players you are better off going back to basics with a solid formation where everyone knows their role.
Then the wide midfielders tuck in defensively and use the space out wide when going forward.Chunes said:
We went to 442 for 10 minutes on Tuesday and got roasted by their 3-man midfield down the middlekentred2 said:
Been saying that for ages. 4 4 2 with good players is all you need. So we need still two full backs, two wide midfielders and a centre forward.East Kent Addick said:
Funnily enough the one time CBT went wide right he delivered the cross for Kanu's equaliser - playing him as an inverted winger on the left means he is always trying to cut in on his right and PV sussed that out eventually and closed him down. Me I'm just an old fashioned 442 man who wants a left footer on the left and a right footer on the right to cross the ball into the box.RonnieMoore said:Holden still not addressed the main problem and that is wingers who can cross the ball .. loads of good positions we got into and wasted .. no
point in a new striker if we can’t get the ball in .. Dobson miss in 99 th was poor yet there was people clapping him if that had been Payne or Kirk would they have clapped ?? Ref was awful another red card missed and the handball in the 99 th min ..
but today was down to Holden he let PV crowd mid and them really feed Asiimwe to the wolfs the kid was shot after 35 mins why he kept him on ???? Poor management
All these modern fluid formations might work well at the top level but with a bunch of kids and useless third div players you are better off going back to basics with a solid formation where everyone knows their role.0 -
5-5-2 and we can win this league.0
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Who can blame him?swordfish said:Wouldn't be surprised to see Dobson leave if any Championship interest now!0 -
Totally ashamed of this club. How far we have fallen. Nothing changes, complete fucking chancers as owners yet again, or and maybe worse dullards as owners led by a chancer. 4 games in and I'm already over it. You can say 40-odd games left blah blah blah nothing will change and it we'll all have deja vu about last season.
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Well said.East Kent Addick said:
Funnily enough the one time CBT went wide right he delivered the cross for Kanu's equaliser - playing him as an inverted winger on the left means he is always trying to cut in on his right and PV sussed that out eventually and closed him down. Me I'm just an old fashioned 442 man who wants a left footer on the left and a right footer on the right to cross the ball into the box.RonnieMoore said:Holden still not addressed the main problem and that is wingers who can cross the ball .. loads of good positions we got into and wasted .. no
point in a new striker if we can’t get the ball in .. Dobson miss in 99 th was poor yet there was people clapping him if that had been Payne or Kirk would they have clapped ?? Ref was awful another red card missed and the handball in the 99 th min ..
but today was down to Holden he let PV crowd mid and them really feed Asiimwe to the wolfs the kid was shot after 35 mins why he kept him on ???? Poor management
All these modern fluid formations might work well at the top level but with a bunch of kids and useless third div players you are better off going back to basics with a solid formation where everyone knows their role.
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Looks like the message is now sinking in bigtime+.Airman Brown said:
Finally.SouthLincsAddick said:Thing is Methven has hoodwinked the owners. He’s told them the club just needs to be run properly by a professional SMT and we’ll get promoted. No need for silly money. So no new funds are incoming, a budget has been set and we’ll get two more quality first team players, and a few kids on loan. This is what Methven ownership looks like. Pretty much the same as TS.3 -
Hopefully the majority owners buy Methven out and ditch him ASAP if he has hoodwinked them.
For the sake of this club, this shit cannot go on.1 -
Clearly now on the relegation slippery slope...no answers. Rank awful.0
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Thank you I was worried you missed thislordromford said:cafcsinger said:
Hector is our best defender on the ball, shame he seems to always have a cock up in him.blackpool72 said:
And Hector is probably worse.guinnessaddick said:Jones is very poor with the ball at his feet, he doesn’t know what to do with it.
So overated in my opinion
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What did Holden say the other day about getting a reaction today after Tuesdays defeat ??
Certainly got a reaction from the fans !1 -
I am getting fed-up too. He says there are no excuses then says we are light on numbers, having to play kids, too many injuries, new players who are not up to speed and can't manage three games a week (he means two). The obvious question Dean is why? The answer is the budget and the new owners. So quickly being exposed. He doesn't seem to see players as responsible for continuing errors which are costing us points. It's as if it's bad luck and things will improve. Still not addressing the striking elephant in the roompeterreeves said:Just seen Dean's interview and besides feeling slightly sea sick through his constant swaying with the microphone he said nothing of any value... Again.
Same old stuff about about Andy Scott trying to bring in I or 2 players last week and that didn't work out blah blah blah....
1 or 2 players Dean? Are you joking?
Why aren't you being the honest bloke that a lot of fans thought you were?
You've surely known since Spain that we've needed 5 or 6 players.
i want to give the man a chance but if every Manager that we get is just going to say nothing when things are really wrong then we really are done for.4 -
Dean Holden said at Bromley Addicks just after he joined us that he checked out the stats and it was the defence that was the problem. Surely these recent games should re- focus his mind. And no JS goals to help us out. I like Dean, and want him to succeed, there's a lot of work to do.Chunes said:Port Vale looked a physically stronger side, but devoid of any quality. When we scored I thought that was it, because they couldn't just sit back in their low block. It did force them to play out, but we totally failed to capitalise and instead let them grow into the game.
To me, that looked like a mentality issue. We took our foot off the gas, and the moment Vale scored their two goals in quick succession, the foot was immediately put straight back onto the pedal, and once again we looked the much more dominant team.
That is not fecking good enough. The team should be motivated for ninety minutes. For the past few seasons I've watched Charlton teams who seem to think winning should be easy. They go a goal up and then ease off. Or they go a goal down and fail to come back and win for what.... two years or something. What I can't understand, is so many players have come and gone, and yet this mentality prevails. Where is it coming from?
I was looking at some fascinating stats yesterday about Ipswich & Plymouth's promotion-winning seasons last year. They both had clean sheets in around 50% of their games. (Ours was around 21%). So in order to get anywhere near the top, we need to improve our defensive record by more than 2x.
We've signed Jones, who looks OK, but absolutely not like a gamechanger or dominant defensive force.
We've kept Hector, who is reminding me of Adam Matthews - goes hunting for a new club in the off-season, and then returns, unfocused, wishing he was somewhere else.
Where is this 2x defensive improvement coming from? I can't see that it's coming from anywhere. And for as long as we continue to ship goals every game (5 goals in 2 home games), we are going to have another midtable season, at best.4
