We’ve lost to Bristol Rovers and Port Vale at home. You’ve got to be under pressure. Still plenty of time to turn it around, but Holden will no that it isn’t good enough.
A dressing room of kids who should not really be there this early in the season and some players that should be on a bus to somewhere else.
I don't thinks Dean's lost the dressing room I think he's just lost.... He needs support from a Board and investment....
He's basically had nothing and he's probably thinking he's got a target on his back.
I like the bloke but I can't in all seriousness say another manager would or could make a difference. Get some quality in, show us the money and if Holden still can't motivate the squad then fair enough.
If Jackson has started to come good at Wimbledon then isn’t there something in giving people time?
Can’t help wondering what would’ve happened if we’d stuck with Jackson in the first place. I liked Ben Garner, but he was never really going to be given much support in terms of recruitment, so appointing him was a waste of time and money in hindsight. Not sure what Holden brings to the party beyond being in with the people upstairs
He’s under pressure after 4 straight defeats, that’s a poor start to a season, no matter who you have as a squad etc.
However, no where near sacking for me, and hopefully those above can figure out the money issues (whether it’s them being tight, FFP, or something else), as personally Holden deserves a chance, and not have to be yet another manager of ours with one hand forced behind his back.
In short, yes. I'm going to be obnoxious and quote myself from the match thread, but I think it's worth pointing out that this squad, unbalanced and unfinished though it is, would be the envy of most teams in this league. Do you think Holden is getting the best out of players, let alone improving them? Does he have a system that makes this team equal to, if not greater than, the sum of its parts?
For me the answer is no to both, and couple that with three straight losses in the league, questions should be asked in the boardroom about whether he's the right man for the club right now. I think he's a good firefighter but I am in no way convinced he can build a winning system.
After their second Holden and Senda just sat there looking shocked. Even now he doesn't look like he's recovered.
Over the last two weeks I've constantly thought about what the Not Top 20 podcast said: Charlton made some excellent signings, and the biggest question is how good is Dean Holden?
Obviously injuries are a huge problem at the moment, but I don't feel like this side has an identity. We're not possession, we're not hoofball, we're not strong defensively, we're not counter attack, we're kind of a little of everything and a lot of nothing. We seen to just hope that our quality will outshine theirs.
Dean seems like a lovely guy and a great ambassador. But I have serious questions about his tactical abilities. We lump the ball into the channels and bypass the midfield a lot, and that takes our strongest part of the team out of the game. We have four good L1 CBs and we don't defend well.
I...am worried. I wonder how patient the new owners will be.
In short, yes. I'm going to be obnoxious and quote myself from the match thread, but I think it's worth pointing out that this squad, unbalanced and unfinished though it is, would be the envy of most teams in this league. Do you think Holden is getting the best out of players, let alone improving them? Does he have a system that makes this team equal to, if not greater than, the sum of its parts?
For me the answer is no to both, and couple that with three straight losses in the league, questions should be asked in the boardroom about whether he's the right man for the club right now. I think he's a good firefighter but I am in no way convinced he can build a winning system.
After their second Holden and Senda just sat there looking shocked. Even now he doesn't look like he's recovered.
Over the last two weeks I've constantly thought about what the Not Top 20 podcast said: Charlton made some excellent signings, and the biggest question is how good is Dean Holden?
Obviously injuries are a huge problem at the moment, but I don't feel like this side has an identity. We're not possession, we're not hoofball, we're not strong defensively, we're not counter attack, we're kind of a little of everything and a lot of nothing. We seen to just hope that our quality will outshine theirs.
Dean seems like a lovely guy and a great ambassador. But I have serious questions about his tactical abilities. We lump the ball into the channels and bypass the midfield a lot, and that takes our strongest part of the team out of the game. We have four good L1 CBs and we don't defend well.
I...am worried. I wonder how patient the new owners will be.
This sums it up really well. Feels like there’s a lack of identity at the moment
Never been convinced by him. Nice bloke but we are so bad at the basics. More chances created from set pieces against us again. He "gets the club" though 😂
At normal clubs, no, he wouldn’t. They would understand that the squad is wildly imbalanced and he’s doing the best with what he has.
But at Charlton, where we seem intent on hiring and then sacking every manager in English football before realising the manager isn’t the problem, yes, yes he’s under major pressure.
So crack on, start a campaign to sack another manager.
To those saying the squad isn't good enough or wildly imbalanced, how many squads are drastically better than ours? I would say a handful at most. Yes, we need depth at FB and up front, but we have a lot of quality in this squad. Injuries, and injuries in the same areas (center forward, center mid) are a much bigger issue. But this is not a three points from four games (three at home) level squad.
Not sure you can blame the manager for the individual errors we keep seeing that are leading to goals. Not saying Holden is up to the job as I really don’t know but the players need to sort their shit out imo
As far as I'm concerned, it's not Holdens fault. He can only work with what's in front of him and at the moment unfortunately, due to injuries and a lack of players coming in, we are a long way away from where we need to be.
Investment is needed, but obviously we need the players we want, not just panic buys such as the josh parkers of this world. If Leaburn, Fraser, Camara were all fit plus 4/5 signings to strengthen the first 18 then we wouldn't be losing these games.
We have been playing some good football but sloppy mistakes at the back are costing us, as are not taking our opportunities in front of goal.
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But I don't make the decisions.
100% he won't be our manager come the end of the season
I don't thinks Dean's lost the dressing room I think he's just lost.... He needs support from a Board and investment....
He's basically had nothing and he's probably thinking he's got a target on his back.
I like the bloke but I can't in all seriousness say another manager would or could make a difference. Get some quality in, show us the money and if Holden still can't motivate the squad then fair enough.
But he was cheap
However, no where near sacking for me, and hopefully those above can figure out the money issues (whether it’s them being tight, FFP, or something else), as personally Holden deserves a chance, and not have to be yet another manager of ours with one hand forced behind his back.
For me the answer is no to both, and couple that with three straight losses in the league, questions should be asked in the boardroom about whether he's the right man for the club right now. I think he's a good firefighter but I am in no way convinced he can build a winning system.
After their second Holden and Senda just sat there looking shocked. Even now he doesn't look like he's recovered.
Over the last two weeks I've constantly thought about what the Not Top 20 podcast said: Charlton made some excellent signings, and the biggest question is how good is Dean Holden?
Obviously injuries are a huge problem at the moment, but I don't feel like this side has an identity. We're not possession, we're not hoofball, we're not strong defensively, we're not counter attack, we're kind of a little of everything and a lot of nothing. We seen to just hope that our quality will outshine theirs.
Dean seems like a lovely guy and a great ambassador. But I have serious questions about his tactical abilities. We lump the ball into the channels and bypass the midfield a lot, and that takes our strongest part of the team out of the game. We have four good L1 CBs and we don't defend well.
I...am worried. I wonder how patient the new owners will be.
But at Charlton, where we seem intent on hiring and then sacking every manager in English football before realising the manager isn’t the problem, yes, yes he’s under major pressure.
I don't think he is good enough. I was in the keep jackson camp and still think that's what we should have done
Investment is needed, but obviously we need the players we want, not just panic buys such as the josh parkers of this world. If Leaburn, Fraser, Camara were all fit plus 4/5 signings to strengthen the first 18 then we wouldn't be losing these games.
We have been playing some good football but sloppy mistakes at the back are costing us, as are not taking our opportunities in front of goal.
It's frustrating but definitely not Holdens fault