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Is Holden under pressure?
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Thank god you're not in charge thenThe Prince-e-Paul said:I say feck the results. Keep him and see what happens. I still believe that there's not many managers out there, that could do a much better with our squad (that Charlton could afford).3 -
He is definitely under pressure, but as has been said, once again we find ourselves in the middle of the question "what manager could get anything out of this team" - a place we've been to many times before. I don't think Holden is good enough, you have to question the training methods with the amount of errors we see every game. It's indefensible0
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The defence we have is what you end up with when you try to do things on the cheap & don’t invest. Not one defender at the club cost a fee (Even Edun supposedly joined us recently on a free with Blackburn only due money if we go up).PowellsHeadedGoal said:He is definitely under pressure, but as has been said, once again we find ourselves in the middle of the question "what manager could get anything out of this team" - a place we've been to many times before. I don't think Holden is good enough, you have to question the training methods with the amount of errors we see every game. It's indefensible
It obviously makes sense to snap up good players for free if they’re available BUT the majority of successful clubs tend to also invest to bring in their/the best players rather than solely rely on freebies (take a look at the team currently top of the championship for a good example of this).2 -
Is Holden a man under pressure? Undoubtedly, yes - just turn down the sound and watch his body language during his post-match interview
Whether that is self-induced or due to external influences or a combination of both is a good question.0 -
Snipers nightmareN01R4M said:Is Holden a man under pressure? Undoubtedly, yes - just turn down the sound and watch his body language during his post-match interview
Whether that is self-induced or due to external influences or a combination of both is a good question.19 -
I'm confident more now than ever that someone's put a curse on us/the valley. Similar to Barry Fry pissing in all four corners of the pitch at Birmingham, I believe Holden needs to do something similar to lift the curse and save his job.1
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Two wins, two draws. Third place.wmcf123 said:
Yes but only if they are any goodbromleyjohn said:If Jackson has started to come good at Wimbledon then isn’t there something in giving people time?0 -
In Holdens defence he definitely improved results when he came in last season. We could really do with another loan like Rak Saki to make the difference in the final third1
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Squad is thin but he’s floundering
all the positive bluster is horseshit4 -
He did okay last season, his hands are tied behind his back like plod are arresting him.cafcfan1990 said:Course he is but people will back him up because he’s a nice bloke . He’ll be gone by Christmas
Give him time and the dough.2 -
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Who is to say we'll get ANOTHER strange appointment. I am sure Holden was their choice. Personally I like him but has been short changed.RedChaser said:
If he doesn’t get some results soon he could be gone before Xmas, Garner went beginning December who would you realistically like to see replace him?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whatever the weakness of our squad the manager doesn't appear to be doing a great job either. He's a mediocre manager with a mediocre squad.RedChaser said:
Oh don’t apologise and I’m not disputing that Holden has to take some responsibility but my point is it can’t always be the Managers fault we’re a mid table L1 team with at least half of todays squad no better than that level. It would be even less than that if some of the recent signings and youngsters had improved the quality.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm sorry but Holden has to take some of the responsibility for our failings.RedChaser said:
I don’t think Pep could do much with recent squads they can only work with the players at their disposal after all.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:We've had a succession of mediocre managers - none of them have done much since they left. Whatever the squad shortcomings they're hardly helped by the managers we've had.
A bit like me in a boozer with you actually
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All day long, he upsets people and at this level gets results.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Steve Evans - don't particularly like him but think he could at least set the team up a bit better.RedChaser said:
If he doesn’t get some results soon he could be gone before Xmas, Garner went beginning December who would you realistically like to see replace him?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Whatever the weakness of our squad the manager doesn't appear to be doing a great job either. He's a mediocre manager with a mediocre squad.RedChaser said:
Oh don’t apologise and I’m not disputing that Holden has to take some responsibility but my point is it can’t always be the Managers fault we’re a mid table L1 team with at least half of todays squad no better than that level. It would be even less than that if some of the recent signings and youngsters had improved the quality.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm sorry but Holden has to take some of the responsibility for our failings.RedChaser said:
I don’t think Pep could do much with recent squads they can only work with the players at their disposal after all.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:We've had a succession of mediocre managers - none of them have done much since they left. Whatever the squad shortcomings they're hardly helped by the managers we've had.
Hopefully Holden can turn things around.
I realise he is not everybody's cup of tea but his overall record is good.1 -
The current board's fault, back the geezer.carly burn said:The problem with Holden is that he has no track record to suggest he might be cut out for this job..or any job in football management?
He is a big gamble.
Don't get me wrong, I like the fella but there's no pedigree here.
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Holden knows that.Billy_Mix said:Squad is thin but he’s floundering
all the positive bluster is horseshit
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I like the bloke. He is feeling under pressure. A manager that feels he has to remind the press/board/fans of his coaching badges in a post match interview, after another loss is most definitely feeling pressure. That was quite telling for me.
I also noted in the post match page that he may need an older hand, an experienced number 2. We have supplied him with academy coaches, who may be good at that level, but lack league experience. It's also been raised on 'not the top 20' podcast, that he may be tactically inept. That's definitely showing to me.3 -
We lose the next two then he’s gone, it’s as simple as that I think.2
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When you look at the signings weve made
Isted one of the best keepers in the league last season
Edun smashed it when at lincoln a couple of seasons ago
Jones got player of the season at cambridge last year
Pan camara doesnt need explaning (one of the best in the league )
Taylor one of burtons better players who had alot of championship interest
May one of the top goal scorers in the leauge for the last 2 seasons
I know were short of quite a few players but with these signings we shouldnt be losing to bristol rovers and port vale, were a much better team with the ball on the floor, but have gone into a pump it long mode with 2 of the smallest strikers in the league. Theres alot in this team that needs to change certainly our set piece takers who are shocking, dean has to take 90% of the blame for the results weve had it just isnt good enough .7 -
I don’t care if they sack Holden as it will make no difference.
Club is in a mess from top down, but until the ownership does its job, we will continue to falter.
Depressing, but inevitable.
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Adkins-Good end of season bad start -gone
Jackson good end of season.bad start-gone
Garner -bad start gone
None of these sackings work.
Sackings seldom work
Give the man time5 -
Give the man a squad first
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He has a squad but can’t get a tune out of them. He doesn’t make good decisions in game. We’ve lost 4 games in a row for god sake.5
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Would those managers do better with the squad though?se9addick said:
Pepjackosaysrelax said:
Warburtonse9addick said:
Which ones?jackosaysrelax said:If these owners are serious I think he is. Looking at the options out there at the minute. There are better.
Wilder
Darren Moore even
Powell
Klopp
Oh, wait, are we just throwing out random manger names? Because not a single one of your list is coming to Charlton.I do wonder how many times Charlton will change managers before Charlton fans realise changing the manger doesn’t change anything.0 -
It's the set pieces that gets me, basic stuff...12
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Mark Bonner pls0
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100% yesSamB09 said:
Would those managers do better with the squad though?se9addick said:
Pepjackosaysrelax said:
Warburtonse9addick said:
Which ones?jackosaysrelax said:If these owners are serious I think he is. Looking at the options out there at the minute. There are better.
Wilder
Darren Moore even
Powell
Klopp
Oh, wait, are we just throwing out random manger names? Because not a single one of your list is coming to Charlton.I do wonder how many times Charlton will change managers before Charlton fans realise changing the manger doesn’t change anything.1 -
He should be.
I don’t buy into the “not his fault”.
Yes, the problems begin at the top but it is his job to get the best out of what he has got. The football is poor, set-pieces are even worse and the mentality even worse than that. That’s on him and no-one else.5 -
If he’s under pressure to go, then so is Andy Scott if the squad is not improved on by the end of this month4
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Does the following really need saying?FAVADDICK said:When you look at the signings weve made
Isted one of the best keepers in the league last season
Edun smashed it when at lincoln a couple of seasons ago
Jones got player of the season at cambridge last year
Pan camara doesnt need explaning (one of the best in the league )
Taylor one of burtons better players who had alot of championship interest
May one of the top goal scorers in the leauge for the last 2 seasons
I know were short of quite a few players but with these signings we shouldnt be losing to bristol rovers and port vale, were a much better team with the ball on the floor, but have gone into a pump it long mode with 2 of the smallest strikers in the league. Theres alot in this team that needs to change certainly our set piece takers who are shocking, dean has to take 90% of the blame for the results weve had it just isnt good enough .
Edun. Not match fit, cannot yet complete 80, let alone 100 minutes
Jones. Not been match fit, just about managed yesterday
Camara. Injured yesterday. His debut was his first 90 mins in 18 months.
Taylor. Obviously still not match fit yesterday, yet had to do the 100 mins
May. Asked to play on his own up front in the early gsmes, not his strength.
Hector’s not match fit either, he would not have made that mistake end of last season.
And then we get on to exhausting three talented 18 year olds because Holden’s options from the bench are disinterested second-raters ( well ok, Payne at least tries) whom we cannot apparently shift out to make way for better players.5 -
Actually having slept on it, reflected upon the first four games and thought about various comments I have slightly revised my angle on this.
I do think we need further recruitment and I think we should afford DH at least some time to develop, however as many have pointed out, the tactics have been mixed and poor, fitness is most definitely an issue and the set pieces are almost entirely woeful. These are all the managers responsibility and all need prompt attention.
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If we don't make the required signings then he has some sympathy from me. However the start is extremely concerning, some decisions nothing to do with the squad - basic set piece defending, player mentality and game management have all been dodgy so far1
