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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    There's loads of reasons why people won't come here. We're notorious for churning through managers, as a fan base we have no patience or trust any more, you can't build the squad in your image till Jan, if ever due to the SMT structure and we've had a poor start too.

    London is bloody expensive to move to, especially if bringing your whole family along, we're in the ULEZ, so you have to pay extra for your flashy motor, and if you're a rampant Northerner the idea of London scares you.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Bolderhumphreyreid said:
    Anyone BUT Bowyer.

    I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
    Garner had a playing style?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    supaclive said:
    The Red Robin said:
    supaclive said:
    PWADDICK said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 
    Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managers 

    Many out of work managers who can't get a job


    There is, but it’s not going to be a good look if/when the club employs an out of work manager when Methven’s PR machine has been leaking that they’re targeting in-work candidates. 
    Appleton is apparently getting the job.......
    See you on this thread again before May then.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    The Red Robin said:
    Bolderhumphreyreid said:
    Anyone BUT Bowyer.

    I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
    Garner had a playing style?
    Yes , the emperor's new clothes 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Gribbo said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 
    How many have actually turned it down then, apart from Powell who was only offered an interim position ?
    At least one current L1 manager at a much smaller club, to my knowledge, despite their club giving permission for him to talk if he wanted.

    “Turned it down” might be pushing it mind as it isn’t even getting that far.
    Jon Brady. That’s bad if we can’t poach managers from clubs the size of Northampton.
    Why would you come here? It’s a career killer. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    swords_alive said:
    Some of the outsiders on betvictor are very fanciful and a couple are quite interesting (e.g Chris Hughton for me). Can't see past Appleton now though so probably academic.

    Karl Robinson33/1
    Kevin Phillips33/1
    Steve Cotterill33/1
    Graham Alexander33/1
    Shaun Derry33/1
    Clint Hill33/1
    Brian Barry Murphy33/1
    Kenny Jackett33/1
    Sol Campbell33/1
    Paul Tisdale33/1
    Paul Lambert33/1
    Pete Wild33/1
    Chris Hughton33/1
    John McGreal33/1
    Nigel Adkins33/1
    Lee Catermole33/1
    Jonathan Woodgate33/1
    Gary McSheffrey33/1
    Robbie Fowler33/1
    Frank Lampard33/1
    Chris Wilder33/1
    Steve Evans33/1
    Darrell Clarke33/1
    David Artell33/1
    Luke Williams33/1
    Neil Lennon33/1
    Ritchie Wellens33/1

    Thanks for that list I'm going to put £5 on the 33/1 candidate 🙄
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,022
    It was always going to be difficult to attract anyone better I think. A manager's reputation can go downhill fast, and anyone sensible will look at our current squad and not want to put their name to the results it gets
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    The Red Robin said:
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Gribbo said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 
    How many have actually turned it down then, apart from Powell who was only offered an interim position ?
    At least one current L1 manager at a much smaller club, to my knowledge, despite their club giving permission for him to talk if he wanted.

    “Turned it down” might be pushing it mind as it isn’t even getting that far.
    Jon Brady. That’s bad if we can’t poach managers from clubs the size of Northampton.
    Why would you come here? It’s a career killer. 
    Unfortunately I agree. Even up to a couple of years ago I thought us a very attractive proposition for guys like Brady and Bonner but now we are a poisoned chalice. Come to us and likely out of a job within 18 months if you fail, and the odds are stacked against you succeeding, or stay in situ, carrying on doing a good job and another opportunity to move onwards and upwards will soon come along. The out of work like Appleton, Cowley etc are the pond we are fishing in.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    edited September 2023
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.

    Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
    Bonner for not far off 4 years.

    Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.

    Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
    I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hit 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,841
    Our job would have been a LOT more attractive if available in May, and the new manager had the chance to mould the squad and do a pre season with them.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Chunes said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
    Lots of other league 1 fans would say the same about our squad, in fact lots were before the season started. Our 11 when everyone is fit is very strong and probably has one of the best midfields and attacks in the league. The defence and GK lets it down but there aren’t many perfect squads at this level 
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,022
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Probably because they're using the evidence of their eyes like the rest of us
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
    Lots of other league 1 fans would say the same about our squad, in fact lots were before the season started. Our 11 when everyone is fit is very strong and probably has one of the best midfields and attacks in the league. The defence and GK lets it down but there aren’t many perfect squads at this level 
    I feel like most people are just going on what two blokes on a podcast said. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    Chunes said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
    I certainly didn't fuckin say it then lol
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    killerandflash said:
    Our job would have been a LOT more attractive if available in May, and the new manager had the chance to mould the squad and do a pre season with them.
    Unless they are shit then they’ll have a chance next summer. Realistically if they get us up to 8th-10th they will get another go like Holden did 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,841
    Appleton will improve the disciplinary record of our players. On the pitch they'll be All Saints.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Chunes said:
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
    Lots of other league 1 fans would say the same about our squad, in fact lots were before the season started. Our 11 when everyone is fit is very strong and probably has one of the best midfields and attacks in the league. The defence and GK lets it down but there aren’t many perfect squads at this level 
    I feel like most people are just going on what two blokes on a podcast said. 
    Bolton are the best team in the league for me. But player for player our midfield and attack is better than theirs. Difference is they’ve had a manager given time to implement a style of play and build something, so as a unit they are better
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,313
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Our perspective on other L1 squads is not good enough to make that assessment... We said the same when we had Gilbey and Morgan in the middle and Lavelle at the back. The proof is in the results. 
    Lots of other league 1 fans would say the same about our squad, in fact lots were before the season started. Our 11 when everyone is fit is very strong and probably has one of the best midfields and attacks in the league. The defence and GK lets it down but there aren’t many perfect squads at this level 
    Even the GKs and defence:

    GKs 
    - Australian international squad member 
    - Starting keeper for a playoff team last season

    Defence
    - Recent Premiership player (okay he was bad there, but Championship colossus and Jamaica international) 
    - League One club POTS
    - Absolutely decent both-footed backup 
    - Couple of promising kid CBs who've admittedly both been shabby this season
    - Ireland's great hope 
    - A Blackburn player
    - Guy who drove MK Dons to 3rd a couple of years ago and got injured and they went down 
    - Extremely promising young right back 

    There's a lot to work with 
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    NabySarr said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.

    Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
    Bonner for not far off 4 years.

    Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.

    Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
    I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hit 
    Clearly not.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,879
    Henry Irving said:
    Can't wait until Martin Vilas has a rant about all these terrible puns
    I really can't believe that you have given a posters real name away 😂
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    NabySarr said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.

    Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
    Bonner for not far off 4 years.

    Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.

    Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
    I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hit 
    Clearly not.
    Well we don’t know do we? If we had tried to appoint Bonner or Brady I think they’d join. They might be above us at the moment but I’d bet good money we finish well above both in May. All we know is Brady was on the shortlist not whether we actually approached/tried to interview him, and Bonner hasn’t been mentioned yet 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 

    It isn't though. Since our relegation back here in 16/17 and now in our latest stint, we haven't had a single player make team of the year/season in league 1. Now you could argue that's cause we have only been promoted once, but even in Bowyers team not one player made it, of course you could argue that was harsh on the likes of Cullen, Bauer and Taylor but that's what happened.

    Supposedly every season we have one of the strongest squads but none of our players are rarely ever mentioned by neutral fans and we have bad season after bad season. It's a false perception we have one of the best squads. 

    Certainly not one of the worst and a team capable of play offs, but no way one of the best. 

    I understand why you are miffed people don't want to manage us though as it's hardly a bad team and could have potential. My guess is there are money issues and a lack of guarantees 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Braziliance said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 

    It isn't though. Since our relegation back here in 16/17 and now in our latest stint, we haven't had a single player make team of the year/season in league 1. Now you could argue that's cause we have only been promoted once, but even in Bowyers team not one player made it, of course you could argue that was harsh on the likes of Cullen, Bauer and Taylor but that's what happened.

    Supposedly every season we have one of the strongest squads but none of our players are rarely ever mentioned by neutral fans and we have bad season after bad season. It's a false perception we have one of the best squads. 

    Certainly not one of the worst and a team capable of play offs, but no way one of the best. 

    I understand why you are miffed people don't want to manage us though as it's hardly a bad team and could have potential. My guess is there are money issues and a lack of guarantees 
    Who has a better squad than we do? Would say Bolton, Portsmouth, Oxford, Derby and Peterborough are probably the only contenders and I’d say our squad is at least on par with some of those. Difference is good managers given time and clear styles of play which we have lacked either one or both of since being down here 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,879
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Gribbo said:
    Airman Brown said:
    I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 
    How many have actually turned it down then, apart from Powell who was only offered an interim position ?
    At least one current L1 manager at a much smaller club, to my knowledge, despite their club giving permission for him to talk if he wanted.

    “Turned it down” might be pushing it mind as it isn’t even getting that far.
    Jon Brady. That’s bad if we can’t poach managers from clubs the size of Northampton.
    Depends really on why, football or non football reasons.

    the manager might not want to move family etc.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    For once I think the squad is relatively strong. At this point too many players are injured or getting up to speed but generally this is a top six squad. We seem to have lacked the leadership and organisation that an experienced manager can bring. If we get that I think we’ll climb the table. To what point is the question given our dreadful start. If it’s Appleton I can see him bringing that but not much more. Can’t see he’s one for a long term stay. That’s ok. As long as he can steer us out of this shitty division I’ll take that. 
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,333
    DRAddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Shit fuck bollox.

    Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.

    But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.

    Juvenile. 

    My takeaway from this post is that you're naan too pleased? 
    What happened to that chap Arty?
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,353
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 

    It isn't though. Since our relegation back here in 16/17 and now in our latest stint, we haven't had a single player make team of the year/season in league 1. Now you could argue that's cause we have only been promoted once, but even in Bowyers team not one player made it, of course you could argue that was harsh on the likes of Cullen, Bauer and Taylor but that's what happened.

    Supposedly every season we have one of the strongest squads but none of our players are rarely ever mentioned by neutral fans and we have bad season after bad season. It's a false perception we have one of the best squads. 

    Certainly not one of the worst and a team capable of play offs, but no way one of the best. 

    I understand why you are miffed people don't want to manage us though as it's hardly a bad team and could have potential. My guess is there are money issues and a lack of guarantees 
    Who has a better squad than we do? Would say Bolton, Portsmouth, Oxford, Derby and Peterborough are probably the only contenders and I’d say our squad is at least on par with some of those. Difference is good managers given time and clear styles of play which we have lacked either one or both of since being down here 
    The 15 teams above us of course..

    Jokes aside it's early doors to say but there's only about 5-7 players I really rate in this team, the rest could go and I wouldn't be bothered.

    I could go down the list of teams above us and probably get 1 or 2 players that would get in our match day squad or start for us. Hardly the sign of a one of the best squads in the league.

    Maybe we have one of the strongest squads in depth but that doesn't get you promoted, a genuine quality starting XI does and we don't have that, a fair few teams above us do on the other hand, or at least enough to not lose 6 out of 8 games 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    edited September 2023
    Leuth said:
    Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players? 
    Imagine being one of the best Computer Programmers at what you do.

    You get head hunted by a Company bigger than what you've worked for, or you're out of work, see the job advertised and apply, because what's the worst that can happen.

    You find out at the job interview that you'll be using Visual Basic, a language that you know you can work with and get the best out of - You then get told you may be given a completely new Programming Language, that you've never heard of, or used... and if you cant work with it... You'll be sacked... Oh and they'll be true to their word, because they admit that the staff turnover is ridiculous

    That's basically what's on offer to Managers here.

    The players probably are promising to work with, that's probably the one bonus

    But the Manager probably wont get a say on signings (we've just seen that with deadline day), and whilst its probably not uncommon in terms of setups @ Nottingham Forest etc. is it overly common in League One? - The best setup we've had here is when Gallen / Bowyer worked together on building the squad.
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