The plan was to sack Holden and not get a replacement at all. It saves money. Consulting fees don’t pay themselves eh Charlie? I doubt if nobody wants the job, there are plenty of pub team Sunday league managers in South East London. They might manage Charlton as part of the gig economy on a minimum wage. After all Charlie flying to away matches is the priority for our resources.
i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?
They're not bad either and no worse than many other names appearing on here who are considered preferable.
Still no feedback quoted about him from fans of the clubs he's spent most time with in L1, Oxford and Lincoln, where his stats are best and achieved over a longer period.
I thought we liked to take note of the views of others sets of supporters!
The squad isn't good enough The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season We have some promising youngsters Defensively we are terrible We are out of two cup competitions Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
We’re still in the pizza cup!
+ Appleton has got to Wembley twice in that competition.
Wembley day out is still possible if we beat Sutton & villa’s kids.
i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?
The Oxford and Lincoln ones are the relevant ones Pompey we're in admin, Blackpool were imploding under the Oystens, the chicken people were going through a "spell" at Blackburn.
The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.
If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.
That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.
And that is different at other Clubs ? Since Bosman the power is with players but I don't believe its worse at cafc than other clubs but when on a losing run all the boils burst and it's not a pretty site. The pus hits the fans.
Perhaps we need to analyse how Luton, Coventry and Bournemouth managed to come back from the National League in Luton's case and League 2 in Coventry and Bournemouth's case.
The manager had/has no power at the club due the ownership/SMT. If the players go crying to Thomas/Martin/Andy/Charlie it is the manager that gets the chop.
And you think managers have Carte Blanche at other clubs !
The majority of managers are really head coaches and the truth is most managers are Interim managers until the sack comes.
We are in a mess on and off the field and that's why I'm interested in how the likes of Coventry, Luton and Bournemouth came back from a worse position than Cafc are in now.
Any common denominator with those 3 clubs other than Bournemouth had a superb young Coach in Eddie Howe who took them from League 2 to the Premier playing easy on the eye football. Howe had an 18 month break at Burnley with mid table finishes during this period before the prodigal son returned home.
I don't believe any of the 3 clubs I mentioned had big budgets to start their journey back and questionable, if they were stable off the pitch ?
What is the remit for Andy Scott and the new head coach incumbent ? To advance to the Championship while selling a couple of the better youngsters ? Not really that different since the 1960's onwards when staying in the championship and selling players appeared to be the aim.
Agree with you, though would like to make the point it's not the selling of youngsters to make ends meet that's the key issue "per se". We were still selling Academy products to make ends meet in the seasons running up to promotion to the Prem in 1998. It's true we also had a one-off key influx of new cash (from the AIM float), which we "borrowed from" (it was ostensibly to fund ground development) that funded Curbs' purchase of Mendonca, that of course sealed the deal. But we were still fundamentally a "selling club". Also, we've never been able to stop bigger clubs from luring progressive talent away (even when at our peak in the Prem!). It's when we sell them that's the issue now. If CM is good for his word (I know that's a big "if"), their plan is to hang on long enough to Academy products to sell them at a time that optimises their value to CAFC, not (as is usually the case) at the point there's a desperate need for a cash injection. That suggests that the owners are prepared to make working capital available to fund recurring deficits and, in truth, they could probably have sold Leaburn in the window if they were the penny-pinchers they're being accused of. If that is their game-plan, there is a realistic chance IMO to advance to the Championship while selling (we may have no choice with Leaburn anyway at the end of this season). Of course, no guarantees - the new manager's appointment, better coaching, players' fitness and returns from injury and the winter window are crucial.
i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?
The Oxford and Lincoln ones are the relevant ones Pompey we're in admin, Blackpool were imploding under the Oystens, the chicken people were going through a "spell" at Blackburn.
It's not great even then though.
The "chicken people" made me laugh more than it should.
I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.
Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managers
Many out of work managers who can't get a job
There is, but it’s not going to be a good look if/when the club employs an out of work manager when Methven’s PR machine has been leaking that they’re targeting in-work candidates.
I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.
Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managers
Many out of work managers who can't get a job
There is, but it’s not going to be a good look if/when the club employs an out of work manager when Methven’s PR machine has been leaking that they’re targeting in-work candidates.
i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?
The Oxford and Lincoln ones are the relevant ones Pompey we're in admin, Blackpool were imploding under the Oystens, the chicken people were going through a "spell" at Blackburn.
It's not great even then though.
Good thing is we have the stability he had while managing Oxford 🙃
I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.
The same as when Lenny and curbs and Gritt got the job then.
Completely wrong - in those cases the club offered it to them to save money. There were other applicants in 1991, including Keith Peacock, who had much more experience.
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
I look forward to the day when us being so well placed as a Club means that our playing style is of concern to me, but that day is not today. We're in L1 and winning games of football must be the managers remit.
The squad isn't good enough The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season We have some promising youngsters Defensively we are terrible We are out of two cup competitions Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jan
Some of the outsiders on betvictor are very fanciful and a couple are quite interesting (e.g Chris Hughton for me). Can't see past Appleton now though so probably academic.
The squad isn't good enough The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season We have some promising youngsters Defensively we are terrible We are out of two cup competitions Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jan
How can a manager/coach have a major say in recruitment when we have just signed 4 players with no manager/coach in place?
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
So you don't want a manager who got us promoted, but enjoyed a manager who we were going down the league and achieved very little in his time at the club?
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
So you don't want a manager who got us promoted, but enjoyed a manager who we were going down the league and achieved very little in his time at the club?
The playing style under Garner at Cafc was over passing until we lost the ball. Playing a lone central striker that was isolated in a 3 up front. And in a results business, not winning.
The mitigation for Ben was he didn't have the players for the high press after the window shut But then play a system or formation that suits the majority of players you have.
I really wanted Ben Garner to be a success and emulate his Swindon 'Success' where they were number 1 in many stats.
Unfortunately the stat that mattered was Swindon didn't get promoted and he believed the bullshit he was told at the interview by Thomas Sandgaard. The day after the window shut Ben Garner realised he had been sold a pup and within weeks said we will struggle to make the play offs. The rest is another sorry chapter in Cafc history.
I wish him well at Colchester but has had a tricky start to the season unlike JJ at undefeated Wimbledon.
Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
That's a fantastic point. Same with Challinor too, why leave a stable club where they are well respected and have a safe job for a job where they could be out the door again by February.
At the end of the day we might be a basket case with the amount of managers we get through but with new ownership comes a fresh start... just a shame they really pissed that up the wall by sacking their manager after 5 games
The squad isn't good enough The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season We have some promising youngsters Defensively we are terrible We are out of two cup competitions Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jan
I have to chuckle at your posts, they are always very amusing.
The squad isn't good enough The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season We have some promising youngsters Defensively we are terrible We are out of two cup competitions Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
We’re still in the pizza cup!
+ Appleton has got to Wembley twice in that competition.
Wembley day out is still possible if we beat Sutton & villa’s kids.
I don't want him on the Pizza Cup basis fuck off out of it
Plus he's gonna be the ugliest whatsapp pic I've ever had up ffs
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It saves money.
Consulting fees don’t pay themselves eh Charlie?
I doubt if nobody wants the job, there are plenty of pub team Sunday league managers in South East London. They might manage Charlton as part of the gig economy on a minimum wage.
After all Charlie flying to away matches is the priority for our resources.
Still no feedback quoted about him from fans of the clubs he's spent most time with in L1, Oxford and Lincoln, where his stats are best and achieved over a longer period.
I thought we liked to take note of the views of others sets of supporters!
+ Appleton has got to Wembley twice in that competition.
Wembley day out is still possible if we beat Sutton & villa’s kids.
It's not great even then though.
Agree with you, though would like to make the point it's not the selling of youngsters to make ends meet that's the key issue "per se".
We were still selling Academy products to make ends meet in the seasons running up to promotion to the Prem in 1998. It's true we also had a one-off key influx of new cash (from the AIM float), which we "borrowed from" (it was ostensibly to fund ground development) that funded Curbs' purchase of Mendonca, that of course sealed the deal. But we were still fundamentally a "selling club".
Also, we've never been able to stop bigger clubs from luring progressive talent away (even when at our peak in the Prem!).
It's when we sell them that's the issue now.
If CM is good for his word (I know that's a big "if"), their plan is to hang on long enough to Academy products to sell them at a time that optimises their value to CAFC, not (as is usually the case) at the point there's a desperate need for a cash injection.
That suggests that the owners are prepared to make working capital available to fund recurring deficits and, in truth, they could probably have sold Leaburn in the window if they were the penny-pinchers they're being accused of.
If that is their game-plan, there is a realistic chance IMO to advance to the Championship while selling (we may have no choice with Leaburn anyway at the end of this season).
Of course, no guarantees - the new manager's appointment, better coaching, players' fitness and returns from injury and the winter window are crucial.
I think our apparent difficulty in getting responses from anyone other than out of work league one "old boys" says otherwise.
Yes we will be appealing still to a certain type of manager but not the type we actually want to appeal to.
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
“Turned it down” might be pushing it mind as it isn’t even getting that far.
The mitigation for Ben was he didn't have the players for the high press after the window shut But then play a system or formation that suits the majority of players you have.
I really wanted Ben Garner to be a success and emulate his Swindon 'Success' where they were number 1 in many stats.
Unfortunately the stat that mattered was Swindon didn't get promoted and he believed the bullshit he was told at the interview by Thomas Sandgaard.
The day after the window shut Ben Garner realised he had been sold a pup and within weeks said we will struggle to make the play offs.
The rest is another sorry chapter in Cafc history.
I wish him well at Colchester but has had a tricky start to the season unlike JJ at undefeated Wimbledon.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
That's a fantastic point. Same with Challinor too, why leave a stable club where they are well respected and have a safe job for a job where they could be out the door again by February.
fuck off out of it
Plus he's gonna be the ugliest whatsapp pic I've ever had up ffs