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Asiimwe - Jones - Hector - Thomas - Edun
C.Campbell - Camara - Dobson - B.Taylor
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The problem Jones has now isn't just that he failed with Saints in the Premier League, every manager fails and it was a high level, it's that he made himself look absolutely mental across the course of his reign. Being tactically out of his depth and indecisive is one thing but all his viral interviews where he managed to come across as both arrogant and insane along with it is going to make chairmen think twice about whether or not they want to work with him. It's a shame but he's only got himself to blameSwisdom said:Nathan Jones needs to rebuild what WAS a very good reputation but somewhat tarnished with the shambles at Southampton last year. I’d definitely like to see him back in our colours
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Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
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CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
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This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
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Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May10 -
Fair enough Swis but If it’s a no from Bob Munro who would the know fella well, it’s a no from me also.Swisdom said:Nathan Jones needs to rebuild what WAS a very good reputation but somewhat tarnished with the shambles at Southampton last year. I’d definitely like to see him back in our colours1 -
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May1 -
I would say our goalkeeping, defence and attacking options are pretty much the same as last season, as May replaces Rak-Sakyi in goals.Bailey said:
I'm not sure I totally agree with that Ben, Saki is a big loss and last year we never had a left back, this year we haven't got a right back. The kids are great but they should be coming from the bench not starting, there is still a bit to do before I think we can say its an improvement.ValleyBen said:The squad is not weaker then last season but it is only slightly stronger which is not going to get us any serious chance of promotion.
Camara and maybe Taylor make our midfield stronger.
So we are very slightly stronger but that is an extremely low bar, one that I hoped new owners would leap over.0 -
PWR much.
Here we are on the new manager thread and expecting chat on Arteta, Klopp and Pep?Instead already talking about formations and transfers, huh! CL eh?1 -
NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
I'd prefer we went 5-4-1 as Leaburn isn't back yet. It gives you the flexibility that one of the defence can step into midfield for Campbell or CBT to support may in attack making us transform from 5-4-1 to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2
Starting - 5-4-1Isted
Asiimwe - Jones - Hector - Edun
Camara - Thomas - Dobson
Campbell - May - B.Taylor
Attack B - 4-4-2Isted
Assimwe - Jones - Hector - Edun
Camara - Dobson - Thomas - B.Taylor
C.Campbell - May0 - Sponsored links:
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Jason Pearce as interim manager knows how to defend . His team will be :
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Jones,Ness,Hector,Thomas
Camara, McGrandles,Dobson.Edun
May, Chem
a straight 4 4 2 with the youngsters having a well earned rest.
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Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May4 -
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
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Is the wage budget higher or lower than last season?DubaiCAFC said:
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
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For me blame for our start to the season is 70% owners, 20% Holden & 10% that idiot Welling defender.11
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How has it not worked? He’s been our best player this season. When Thomas was behind him in the first 2 games it worked fine. We’ve been a lot worse in other games where he’s tried other things.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
How else do we get a team that has 2 up front but also has CBT in the team? It’s our best option0 -
Without seeing the financials, I don't know. But if you go by what Peter Storrie, TS, Rodwell and CM have said, it is higher.SELR_addicks said:
Is the wage budget higher or lower than last season?DubaiCAFC said:
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
But if you are happy with 5 wins in 15 games then fine pal!
What was the excuse for the results last year, when he had a higher budget as you keep say?
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Unless May is getting paid 30k a week, I don't think it's anywhere close to being as high if you look at squad numbers and the profile of the players in it.DubaiCAFC said:
Without seeing the financials, I don't know. But if you go by what Peter Storrie, TS, Rodwell and CM have said, it is higher.SELR_addicks said:
Is the wage budget higher or lower than last season?DubaiCAFC said:
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
But if you are happy with 5 wins in 15 games then fine pal!
What was the excuse for the results last year, when he had a higher budget as you keep say?
I never said I liked Holden. I throw him in with the ownership as he was their hand picked man. They are all failing at their jobs. When the entire group is failing, maybe they don't have a clue what they're doing.
We released a bunch of players in January so again a smaller squad at the back end of last year. Thanks to your pals CM et al.1 -
This is where some strong disciplined parenting comes in .Chris_from_Sidcup said:
A friend of mine has 2 young boys and said the other day it's really hard getting them to be interested in Charlton because we're so shit and most games are depressing.
"do you want to come Charlton today, we're playing Port Vale"
Erm no thanks Dad.
”There is no option , you 4 cnuts are coming to Charlton and can suffer like me , you need to endure this never ending shitness to without doubt enjoy the good tImes a squillion times more than the fair weather fans ……….if they ever arrive again.”11 -
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn MayIt’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front2 - Sponsored links:
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We don’t have a midfielder good enough to do that, definitely not Terrell Thomas! Maybe Edun could do it with Thomas covering left back, but I don’t think that’s any better than Thomas covering LB and allowing CBT to essentially play as a winger rather than wing back.Dazzler21 said:NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
I'd prefer we went 5-4-1 as Leaburn isn't back yet. It gives you the flexibility that one of the defence can step into midfield for Campbell or CBT to support may in attack making us transform from 5-4-1 to 4-3-3 or 4-4-2
Starting - 5-4-1IstedAttack A - 4-3-3
Asiimwe - Jones - Hector - Thomas - Edun
C.Campbell - Camara - Dobson - B.Taylor
MayIsted
Asiimwe - Jones - Hector - Edun
Camara - Thomas - Dobson
Campbell - May - B.Taylor
Attack B - 4-4-2Isted
Assimwe - Jones - Hector - Edun
Camara - Dobson - Thomas - B.Taylor
C.Campbell - May
Without Leaburn or a new striker I think 4-2-3-1 is our best bet
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Asiimwe Jones Hector Edun
Camara Dobson
Tyreece Chem CBT
May
but we can’t have this long term as May is not a lone striker. We can’t expect him to score 20+ goal if we don’t set up to play to his strengths. It’s got to be 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 or there was literally no point in us signing him
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As I said, a number of times CM certainly isn't my pal, I have never spoke to him! Isn't FFP judged on what last season turnover? And last season would have been a car crash on that front, so maybe we can't spend as much on wages because of that.SELR_addicks said:
Unless May is getting paid 30k a week, I don't think it's anywhere close to being as high if you look at squad numbers and the profile of the players in it.DubaiCAFC said:
Without seeing the financials, I don't know. But if you go by what Peter Storrie, TS, Rodwell and CM have said, it is higher.SELR_addicks said:
Is the wage budget higher or lower than last season?DubaiCAFC said:
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
But if you are happy with 5 wins in 15 games then fine pal!
What was the excuse for the results last year, when he had a higher budget as you keep say?
I never said I liked Holden. I throw him in with the ownership as he was their hand picked man. They are all failing at their jobs. When the entire group is failing, maybe they don't have a clue what they're doing.
We released a bunch of players in January so again a smaller squad at the back end of last year. Thanks to your pals CM et al.
I don't know enough about FFP, surely it wouldn't be judged on a monthly basis or a prediction, so assume it is on last seasons results, which was one of our worst years I believe on revenue?10 -
And here comes the FFP line, like clockwork.
Truth is, these guys think they can do it on the cheap and reduce losses because they're 'smart', we've heard it all before.
It will fail and we can see it happening only a month in.17 -
The problem wasn’t CBT, it’s that we had Jones at LCB behind him. As I’ve said before, when Thomas was playing LCB there were no problems and CBT was not really playing wing back.Showmetheway2gohome said:Think it was 433 against orient.Watch first half against Oxford again that’s why CBT should not be wing back in 352It was 3-5-2 against Orient but Thomas was playing LCB and LB with CBT LWB but more of a left winger. This hybrid formation worked well in the first 2 games but for some reason Holden decided to not stick with it and we were then worse the next 3 games1 -
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451NabySarr said:
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn MayIt’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front2 -
I’m pretty sure it’s judged on this season, which is why the punishments are always retrospective. Otherwise the EFL would be able to react a lot quicker if a team was breaching it based on last seasons numbersDubaiCAFC said:
As I said, a number of times CM certainly isn't my pal, I have never spoke to him! Isn't FFP judged on what last season turnover? And last season would have been a car crash on that front, so maybe we can't spend as much on wages because of that.SELR_addicks said:
Unless May is getting paid 30k a week, I don't think it's anywhere close to being as high if you look at squad numbers and the profile of the players in it.DubaiCAFC said:
Without seeing the financials, I don't know. But if you go by what Peter Storrie, TS, Rodwell and CM have said, it is higher.SELR_addicks said:
Is the wage budget higher or lower than last season?DubaiCAFC said:
Okay what part of the form over the last 15 games is good enough to keep a job?SELR_addicks said:
Completely agree. But the manager isn't the issue.DubaiCAFC said:
Maybe it is, or those players not available. Or it could also be a stubbornness problem.. Pick or choose, it hasn't worked and change is needed!SELR_addicks said:
Sounds like a recruitment issue.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn May
But if you are happy with 5 wins in 15 games then fine pal!
What was the excuse for the results last year, when he had a higher budget as you keep say?
I never said I liked Holden. I throw him in with the ownership as he was their hand picked man. They are all failing at their jobs. When the entire group is failing, maybe they don't have a clue what they're doing.
We released a bunch of players in January so again a smaller squad at the back end of last year. Thanks to your pals CM et al.
I don't know enough about FFP, surely it wouldn't be judged on a monthly basis or a prediction, so assume it is on last seasons results, which was one of our worst years I believe on revenue?2 -
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.0 -
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
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Just looking up Leam Richardson after he had been mentioned and his achievements so far as I dont know alot about him and its pretty impressive tbh
For such a young manager he has already been involved in quite a few promotions as either an assistant or manager:
Won promotion to league 1 in 2014 with Chesterfield as Assistant to Paul Cook going up as Champions
Won promotion to League 1 in 2017 with Portsmouth as Assistant Manager to Paul Cook
Won promotion to the Championship in 2018 with Wigan as Assistant Manager to Paul Cook
Won promotion to the Championship in 2022 with Wigan as Manager going up as champions
Clearly he must know what it takes and has experience of promotions i would be more than happy to see him come in now tbf
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So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good ideaDubaiCAFC said:
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451NabySarr said:
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
Chem
Leaburn MayIt’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all2
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