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Next Manager Search - August 2023
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I can't believe there are people saying no to Darren Moore?! His track record:Nearly kept a rock bottom west brom team in the premier league after winning 3 and drawing 2 of the 6 games he was in charge for. Next season got sacked whilst in 4th place in the Championship! Look at how badly they have done since.Had a nearly 50% win record with a terrible squad at Doncaster. Since leaving, they have been on a downhill slope.Led Sheffield Wednesday to promotion last season.I doubt we will get him but we're not going to get better.22
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Next Manager thread turned into a what formation should we play.
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Didn't he sign one in Thomas?NabySarr said:
So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good ideaDubaiCAFC said:
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451NabySarr said:
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
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Leaburn MayIt’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
What's wrong with 2 central midfielders? Anyway, 2 of the formations I suggested would be 3 central midfielders!0 -
They needed someone to blame in a hurry, and wanted to give the impression of a decisive, strong leadership who, how does it go? "don't do failure". Because they are American. Apparently that makes a difference.barstool said:The rush to sack Holden is strange, either they have someone lined up or contractually maybe an extra compensation was about to cost them more after so many games etc.0 -
Is Neil Fucking Lennon any relation to Neil Lennon? Amazing coincidence if not.Gravesend_Addick said:
The only person worse than Lee Johnson would be Neil Fucking Lennon!!!Redrobo said:Neil Lennon out of work. In for the Hibbs job but a very good manager.2 -
We need more than one. I think it’s clear he signed Thomas to be back up, otherwise he’d have started every game this season.DubaiCAFC said:
Didn't he sign one in Thomas?NabySarr said:
So May up front on his own or only playing with 2 central midfielders. Great. Central midfield is the only area we are actually good with depth so not sure only playing 2 is a good ideaDubaiCAFC said:
I would say we have the players to play 433 or 442 or 451NabySarr said:
Would also add that there isn’t a system that fits the players we have available. And if there is then it is probably a 3 at the back with CBT at wing back, it’s not ideal but the recruitment hasn’t been good enough for us to do much else at the moment.DubaiCAFC said:
This is the issue that Holden had, trying to fit players in to a system, rather than playing a system to the players strengths that we have available.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
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Leaburn MayIt’s essentially a choice between playing May up front on his own or CBT at wing back. The first 2 games showed that with Thomas behind him it could work so I’d go with that option. CBT is better at wing back than May is at playing on his own up front
I still think the 3-5-2 which solves both of those issues is better. And you wouldn’t even need to play CBT at wing back now we have Edun. So in tougher games like Oxford we wouldn’t need to do it, but it would be a good option for easier games.
The squad has been really poorly put together, not all of that is this summers fault but it really doesn’t look like there has been a plan. Holden clearly wanted to play 3-5-2. So why wasn’t a left sided centre back a priority? We’ve only signed 1 wing back and let 2 leave. We haven’t signed a partner for May. From pre-season game 1 it was clear this was how Holden wanted to play but our recruitment hasn’t helped him at all
What's wrong with 2 central midfielders? Anyway, 2 of the formations I suggested would be 3 central midfielders!
Nothing wrong with 2 central midfielders but there is a good reason 4-4-2 is not used by many good sides anymore. It’s also our strength when we have Dobson Camara and Fraser fit we’ve got one of the best midfields in the league and there’s 3 of them.4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 are definitely options, but would not get the best out of May. He scored 20+ goals for 2 seasons in a row playing in a front 2, it seems silly to sign him and then play him on his own up front and then act surprised when he doesn’t repeat it.For me a front 2 is crucial and then we should work back from there, so either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 would be my preferences. Our lack of full backs and good central midfield options would make me lean towards the 3-5-20 -
If any of them were that smart, they'd stop wasting/spending so much paying off managersSELR_addicks said:And here comes the FFP line, like clockwork.
Truth is, these guys think they can do it on the cheap and reduce losses because they're 'smart', we've heard it all before.
It will fail and we can see it happening only a month in.1 -
Is that not an important part of who the next manager should be? We need one that fits the squad we’ve got. Th best of the options suggested so far Leam Richardson, Darren Moore, Lee Bowyer etc have all favoured 3 at the back systems in the pastRedrobo said:Next Manager thread turned into a what formation should we play.
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What is this insistence that Bowyer is one of the best options? Are we like an abused spouse compulsively going back for more?8
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I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days23 - Sponsored links:
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Appleton has always been trusted by the big teams to work with their best young players on loan. So of course we will hire him after the transfer window closes!Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days2 -
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.1 -
You must have forgotten about his initial impact when he got us into the play offs against the odds when we were destined for a mid table finish. That's the sort of impact we need again for which Bowyer has a proven track record.Leuth said:What is this insistence that Bowyer is one of the best options? Are we like an abused spouse compulsively going back for more?
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That is interesting.sam3110 said:
Interim so don’t blame him for turning it down. Hearts and minds appointment to appease the fans or genuine shot a giving a former great another go?Lots of questions.6 -
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Regardless, this thread is meant to be about potential new managers and it’s being turned into a moan about Methven and the owners being cheap again. Like every other thread it seems.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.1 -
Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.5 -
Shocking, my in laws are all Blackpool season ticket holders and the football was awful, he was a major reason they went down last season.CL_Phantom said:Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.2 -
Pretty insulting to ask Powell to do it as interim to be honest57
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Nathan Jones or Darren Moore would be good appointments but I can't see it happening tbh0
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We're going to need a snub list4
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This ⬆️fenaddick said:Pretty insulting to ask Powell to do it as interim to be honest
Which says a lot about Mr Scott imho.11 -
His experience that is relevant:CL_Phantom said:Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.
- Oxford: took over in 2014 as a League 2 club, got them promoted in his second season and they finished 8th in League 1 in his third and final season there.
- Lincoln: took over recently promoted club after they got promoted under Cowley. Led them to 16th, 5th and 17th in his three seasons.
- Blackpool: appointed to the Championship club after their promotion when Critchley left, sacked seven months in with Blackpool in 23rd.
Outside of that, various assistant and coaching gigs at Leicester, West Brom.2 -
Plays attractive football but doesn’t get results.CL_Phantom said:Swisdom said:I believe there is mileage in Nathan Jones and particularly in Appleton.
Johnson didn’t work out at Sunderland and I’m pretty positive he’s not on Methven’s Christmas card list
Wilder - too dour and not been a roaring success for a little while. I believe there is also history with the smt from Oxford days
Interesting input.
Can anyone remember what Appleton was like as a manager, we've memed him into oblivion that I genuinely have no idea what he is anymore.As I said further up the thread he’s good at getting good PL loans, as due to the football he plays the Prem teams trust him to coach their youngsters. We’ve got a young squad so that would be a positive, but one look at his win rate and only having 1 promotion (Oxford 2016 2nd in League 2) having managed in the EFL for quite a while I would say it would be very underwhelming2 -
I expect a contributing factor to turning it down - although he may of course have bigger fish to fry.fenaddick said:Pretty insulting to ask Powell to do it as interim to be honest4 -
Anderson, Asiimwe and Elerewe were all at the club last season and available for selection.Callumcafc said:
The following players made at least one league start last season:SELR_addicks said:
The amount of players at Charlton has decreased by 7 since January. I haven't moved any goalposts.Callumcafc said:
Hang on a minute though - that wasn’t your original argument. Clear moving of the goalposts...SELR_addicks said:
So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used?killerandflash said:
Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.SELR_addicks said:
Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?SELR_addicks said:Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.
This summer we've signed 7 players.
No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players.
IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings.
So it's 12 out and 9 in.
There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers.
And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings.
The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now.
More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places.
It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
As was mentioned, quality/experience of the available players can be debated all day long but your original central point revolved around 14 out, 7 in.
Dobson, Rak-Sakyi, Fraser, Clare, Payne, Inniss, Morgan, Leaburn, Sessegnon, Blackett-Taylor, Maynard-Brewer, Stockley, T. Campbell, Kirk, O’Connell, Hector, Wollacott, Bonne, Thomas, Egbo, Ness, Lavelle, Aneke, Kanu, McGrandles, Kilkenny, Clayden, Jaiyesimi, Mitchell, Kane, Penney, Chin, MacGillivray,
Players that have made at least one league start (or signings that are expected to do so, Campbell basically) that didn’t last season:
Jones, May, Edun, Asiimwe, Anderson, Camara, Taylor, Isted, Elerewe, C. Campbell.
So I make it 16 of 33 players that actually contributed in the league last season who are no longer at the club.In their place so far we have 10 new players that have made first team league starts that didn’t last season. and the season is only five games old.
We’re not that far behind. And I certainly wouldn’t want us signing another 7 players without more outgoings.
We have hollowed out our squad and forced Academy players into positions they shouldn't be (starting every game playing 90 minutes) to fill the gaps.
No wonder every manager is turning us down.3 -
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Yeah, keep searching maybe....0 -
Nathan Jones would be an excellent appointment at this level. Although, his record isn't great anywhere except Luton2
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Could you ask your contact to buy some more players then.DubaiCAFC said:
Can we please do away with CBT as Wing Back, it really doesn't work!NabySarr said:Lean Richardson set up Wigan with a 3-4-1-2 which I think could be a good option for usIsted
Jones Hector Thomas
CBT Edun
Camara Dobson
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