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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle.
If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton.
We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.6 -
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🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮Lordflashheart said:
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Next home game, we get given a message to supporters leaflet, it’s only one bus away.Pelling1993 said:
Cannot see Warnock moving south at this stage of his life. He's a Yorkshire based crisis manager these days.masicat said:Warnock. 18 month contract with a hefty bonus to achieve Championship football within his contract.0 -
Guessing he’s not a frequent visitor these days?Airman Brown said:Oddly, but probably not connectedly, I’m told Richard Murray was there last night.
He was the prime decision maker in managerial changes from 1995-2010.
Wonder what he made looking round and seeing such an empty ground.2 -
Has he ever been sounded out?eastterrace6168 said:
Could we not get Curbs in the role until season end...would he be persuaded...🤞0 -
No idea, but surely he should be, and he could at least provide the stability and experience to get us over the hurdle of this season...sillav nitram said:
Has he ever been sounded out?eastterrace6168 said:
Could we not get Curbs in the role until season end...would he be persuaded...🤞0 -
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but Curbs said 'you can't ask me that' on Charlton TV last night when asked if he would take the job by Scott, who pushed him for an answer. Wasn't a no, wasn't a yes, but i'd guess he'd be happy to have a chat if they approached him from his mannerisms2
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No, no, no and fucking no.jimmymelrose said:First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle.
If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton.
We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.12 -
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Lets hope they do then...DENCH said:Sorry if it's already been mentioned but Curbs said 'you can't ask me that' on Charlton TV last night when asked if he would take the job by Scott, who pushed him for an answer. Wasn't a no, wasn't a yes, but i'd guess he'd be happy to have a chat if they approached him from his mannerisms0 -
would be happy with Eustace or Duff or even Warnock (with maybe Euell with him)
would quite like to see Euell involved again0 -
My brother spoke to curbs at a charity event a few months ago and curbs said he wouldn't want it.3
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Please don't say leaflet, it reminds me of the one we got saying we're moving to Selhurst.guinnessaddick said:
Next home game, we get given a message to supporters leaflet, it’s only one bus away.Pelling1993 said:
Cannot see Warnock moving south at this stage of his life. He's a Yorkshire based crisis manager these days.masicat said:Warnock. 18 month contract with a hefty bonus to achieve Championship football within his contract.
Could it happen again, shudder the thought.0 -
Ainsworth would have been such a Sandgaard appointment with their shared music interest 🤣🤣🤣🤣9
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I could just envision him walking him out both playing their guitars on the pitch.MarcusH26 said:Ainsworth would have been such a Sandgaard appointment with their shared music interest 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The sad thing is, that still would have been a better setup than what we just had2 -
He lives in Cornwall, cant get anymore south if you triedPelling1993 said:
Cannot see Warnock moving south at this stage of his life. He's a Yorkshire based crisis manager these days.masicat said:Warnock. 18 month contract with a hefty bonus to achieve Championship football within his contract.5 -
Well with two defenders and a goalkeeper taking over affairs at the moment, perhaps they can teach this shower the basics of keeping the ball out of the bloody net!8
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He so had to go. How many more games would we need to be at to stick with Appleton?jimmymelrose said:First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle.
If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton.
We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.0 -
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?jimmymelrose said:First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle.
If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton.
We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.
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pettgra said:Well with two defenders and a goalkeeper taking over affairs at the moment, perhaps they can teach this shower the basics of keeping the ball out of the bloody net!
Out of our net yes...they already seem to know how to keep it out of the oppositions net...🙄0 -
If you had any idea Holden was anywhere near becoming coach and then Appleton then please tell us all who the new coach will be.king addick said:Id like us to go for Rowett personally.
Usually you have a rough idea who we might end up with but this time, not a clue or even close to knowing.
We can then go down the bookie and make some money.
I hadn’t even heard of Holden before he rocked up.1 -
He's in France.JohnnyH2 said:
How on earth could we carry on with him. How many more games would you have been at before you decided he had to go?jimmymelrose said:First of all, let’s be clear that at Charlton, we don’t have a manager picking the team, we have a Head Coach.
I’d be happy with either Lee Bowyer, Gary Rowett or Gareth Ainsworth. They all know how to get the most out of the players.
However, I have to say that I disagree with sacking Appleton as much as I was with the other coaches before them. Yes, we were shit, but I don’t believe it was due to him, and the same was true with the previous coaches.
I draw the parallel with a teacher at a school. As a teacher, you can be very good at your job but if the students (players) don’t listen, aren’t motivated, hate the school (club) they’re at, have problems with other students (players), think they’re better than they are, don’t need to study, don’t try to understand and do the work then the teacher won’t succeed.
In addition, if the school administration don’t make the objectives clear, give the necessary information to the teacher, don’t address the teacher’s difficulties effectively, listen to what the teacher thinks is wrong within the organisation then again the teacher won’t succeed.
The teacher then becomes demotivated and at worst just does what the students want in full knowledge that it isn’t what they need, which starts a new vicious circle.
If, into the bargain, the teacher knows he will have a fully paid up 3 year contract (which would never happen) with no fear for his livlihood then why would he work his bollocks off to the detriment of his private life for a shitshow.
Imagine then a school with multiple teachers like this. The school would slide rapidly down the OFSTED ratings.
Charlton are a club on the slide. All the coaches since Boywer are like the unfortunate teachers in my analogy. Only changing the true management will change things, not replacing Appleton.
We may get a bounce off this new manager and survive this season but it makes no difference. We will go down by 2025 (I’m sure that I predicted this on here a few years ago). I’d rather have kept Appleton and risk it being this season because with each change we just get worse.0 -
I bet he regrets that CAFC tattoo now
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The man must make a very good living out of being useless and receiving compensation for it !2
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Bastards
Could have waited just 4 (FOUR) more days
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His soundbite from the outset, that he just wanted any club to give him a job. Not sure whether it was to earn a corn, or rebuild his reputation, but he will surely now finf it very difficult to get a club to offer him a job. It would not surprise me if his contract had a clause based on targets and the club had reached said point that he could be shoved with little compo. Let's face it, he was cheap, but not very cheerful.soapy_jones said:WHO in their right mind, who knows anything about our situation, who has an ounce of common sense and footballing nous, WHO would take on this shit show?
The answer is, someone like Micky Apples, eyeing up 6 months work and a generous pay off at the end.
I despair!
If the owners are serious about success, AND recouping their ever increasing losses, then they need to get the next appointment right. Surely a proven manager with free reign is the only sensible business decision.1 -
Is there any point in being a captain of a badly designed ship? And few football coaches, at our level, have the qualities needed to manage the complexity that exists at Charlton.0
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It just hurts to have a 'Next Manager' thread and not see the Appleton photo on every page. Our golden age has passed, and we didn't even enjoy it!29
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I mean in terms of general rumours 3-4 names get linked and yes Holden was left wing but there are usually a consistent stream of names! Only one mentioned is Jones.Lewis Coaches said:
If you had any idea Holden was anywhere near becoming coach and then Appleton then please tell us all who the new coach will be.king addick said:Id like us to go for Rowett personally.
Usually you have a rough idea who we might end up with but this time, not a clue or even close to knowing.
We can then go down the bookie and make some money.
I hadn’t even heard of Holden before he rocked up.0
