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POST-MATCH THREAD: Lincoln City vs Charlton Athletic: Tuesday 24th October 2023 | KO 7:45pm
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There are too many oxygen stealers in that team. OMG Thomas & Hector. Bad bad players. 🤬0
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It certainly is.Braziliance said:
It's a vicious cycle isn't it.
I just view it as people get emotional and I doubt it's said with too much malice. If people can't have a moan here then where?
Appleton did get it wrong, it's not to say he's a bad manager as he's done well so far and he's in credit, but he definitely got it wrong, Lincoln certainly played well but it shouldn't have been so easy when you consider Lincoln City's squad. The Dobson captain shouts are valid imo, he doesn't have a captains presence about him and he doesn't command vocally on the pitch. There is no doubt he is a 100%er and he leaves it all on the pitch, he just doesn't appear to have proper leaders skills on the pitch from what I have seen, what he is like off it is anyones guess, but I can see why people say it.
I don't see the pattern as I can't recall anyone saying top2 seriously tbf mate, usually sarcasm no? I think a fair few people think we can stake a claim for play-offs (that's where I sit currently) but most people think 7-12th is our current level it seems.
That's my mindset about it as well though, bad night, write it off and go again. I do however think it's fair to discuss players individual performances and thoughts, I'd find it pretty boring on here if everyone just said nothing about the game.
One thing I have always come to expect is more posts on these threads if we lose compared to winning, people are far more tempted to talk about bad news than good, we all love a moan. So I open this thread expecting to see people ranting from the off.
I have the same view mate, coming on here to have a moan is the whole idea, get it. My point is that I don't understand how it can be so irrationally up and down. It just doesn't make sense to me.
He maybe did, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I know it's not being questioned about him personally but that is going to happen from time to time.
Apart from Dobson, not a single person in that team is captain material to me. He is the epitome of a captain, not sure what he says on the pitch, or how anyone can hear what he's saying from the stands to be honest, but so be it, his actions certainly speak louder than his words if that's the case.
Yep I sit in the same place currently also, don't think it is a unreasonable target. With a play-off place though, hiccups will happen over the season.
Do think you are missing my point though, not that I am suggesting you agree, but just find the difference a game makes for some people quite baffling. Not suggesting for on minute that nothing should be said, far from it.4 -
I watched on the stream and my first look at us since Exeter. I’ve been quietly optimistic given the recent run, but I thought we looked really poor last night.
I’m 100% convinced we’ve got more about us than last season, and in Dobson, CBT, Leaburn, Louie Watson and May, 5 players who are good enough to get us out the league. The other 6 is where we’re going to struggle. Aneke and Camara because of fitness, and then the remaining players boil down to lack of quality.
Fraser’s ball for the first goal was excellent, but for every one moment of magic we get for him, we sacrifice so much more by having him in the team imo. I was enthused when we signed him and thought he could genuinely go on to be a missing ingredient, but I think he’s a lazy footballer who doesn’t work hard enough to fulfil his potential and other players have to do more work when he’s in the team. Dobson last night was exposed, and since the arrival of Louie Watson, we’ve looked much more balanced with those 2.
Unfortunately, Leaburn and CBT went missing, and Tyreece Campbell probably isn’t a starter (yet), but I can understand Appleton giving him a run out after his goal and performance at the weekend.
The defence look really bad as a unit and lack leadership. Hector, despite stupid comments like Rolls Royce of a player for this league, is not the leader we need, and Jones is an okay defender, but between the two of them, I don’t see it as a promotion winning CB pairing. Thomas tries hard, and I know he’s only at LB because Edun is injured, but we can’t afford many more games with him at LB. He got turned inside out last night and as many people who have made that age old argument about ‘good squad player’, the problem is when a ‘good squad player’ ends up playing 25 plus games a season, which he could well do.Some have commented that we miss Aneke, and I haven’t seen his contributions since Exeter and I know he adds something, but we have to get used to missing him, it’s par for the course.Overall I don’t think it’s doom and gloom. On our day we carry a good attacking threat and hopefully we just had a mare last night, but, outside of the 5 I referenced above, I feel we will have a few more performances like last night throughout the course of the season, and unless we get a bit more quality in in Jan, we may fall short, but not as short as we did last season
@Weegie Addick - I’m back for Bolton and technically 3 wins from 3 if you only count games I’ve watched in person, so I hope that’s a good omen for Sat3 -
Perhaps an easier comparison for CAFC fans to make… the season we got promoted 18/19, we’re only three points behind that side after 13 games.KingKinsella said:
From memory Blackpool run started from early Dec, they were low down but I don't think it was bottom 3.Should have looked it up before typing! why let the facts get in the way!swordfish said:Thing is, I've become accustomed to not expecting us to get good results in L1 and am always pleasantly surprised when we win. I keep hoping for better, but I never really get that belief. I think we are building back, but there's so much to do it's going to take longer than this season to transform.
Patience may be a virtue, but it's in short supply after our experiences of recent years.
On a positive note, the play offs will remain a possibility for some considerable time yet. Weren't Blackpool in the bottom three at Xmas the last time they were promoted out of L1 under Critchley? It can be done.
Still plenty of matches to go in a long long season.3 -
Ness makes fewer mistakes.msomerton said:
Sorry Ness is no better than Hector at the moment. Being younger he can improve but will take time and he needs to be brought in slowly.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Hector has to be replaced by Ness. Been constantly letting us down this season.LargeAddick said:Said in the summer that I’d be happy if Hector left, I’ve never really rated him, but was told he was a Championship quality defender and we’d be lucky to have him. After last Saturday, when he apparently played well against a Reading team that hadn’t won away for 18 games, someone called him Premiership class. All bollocks. The bloke wanders around each week as if he doesn’t want to be here and only is because he couldn’t get a gig anywhere else. I’d actually rather someone who’s not as good but at least gives a shit.
And Curbs is right. If we are not playing well tonight then we needed someone to say to everyone, right, strap yourselves in, keep it tight, fight for everything and let’s just escape with a draw. I mean I love Dobbo but is he captain material? I never see him bawling out people or giving a youngster encouragement etc. When the chips are down we don’t have anyone who can drag the team through it.
A really awful performance by all bar AMB. Some I can easily forgive, Asiimwe, Campbell, Leanurn etc as they are still learning and hopefully they will learn quickly from this experience but others like Hector, Thomas and Jones, seasoned pros, need a kick up the arse pronto.
Both Watsons will also hopefully come back into the side on Sat.2 -
This Lincoln lad *apparently* had Championship interest in the summer. If that doesn’t materialise, he’s the sort of player we should be looking to add to build a promotion winning team.Traditionally a right sided midfielder / wing back but played further forward last night and had a very good game.1
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He was the player who kept shooting outside the box repeatedly, bit of stat padding there.Callumcafc said:This Lincoln lad *apparently* had Championship interest in the summer. If that doesn’t materialise, he’s the sort of player we should be looking to add to build a promotion winning team.Traditionally a right sided midfielder / wing back but played further forward last night and had a very good game.
He did have a very decent game though0 -
Couldn't get a kick under MA at Lincoln and apparently they don't have a good relationship.Callumcafc said:This Lincoln lad *apparently* had Championship interest in the summer. If that doesn’t materialise, he’s the sort of player we should be looking to add to build a promotion winning team.Traditionally a right sided midfielder / wing back but played further forward last night and had a very good game.0 -
I asked a question. You answered it. Thanks for that 👍 I wasn't trying to rewrite the facts and my point is just as valid.KingKinsella said:
From memory Blackpool run started from early Dec, they were low down but I don't think it was bottom 3.Should have looked it up before typing! why let the facts get in the way!swordfish said:Thing is, I've become accustomed to not expecting us to get good results in L1 and am always pleasantly surprised when we win. I keep hoping for better, but I never really get that belief. I think we are building back, but there's so much to do it's going to take longer than this season to transform.
Patience may be a virtue, but it's in short supply after our experiences of recent years.
On a positive note, the play offs will remain a possibility for some considerable time yet. Weren't Blackpool in the bottom three at Xmas the last time they were promoted out of L1 under Critchley? It can be done.
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I do agree with you on the up and down posting but I think that's the social media-fication of football watching. We're so overly connected to the moment now that the moment informs the full extent. I've read so many times on here after a player had a poor game that they're 'not good enough' when they might have just had a bad game. One game Asiimwe is the best choice at RB and the next he's just a kid who shouldn't be playing. Hector has gone from a good defender with Premier League class to a lazy liability in 4 days. The reality is none of it's true and it all is, it alters from game to game and moment to moment but we seem to get stuck in a fraction of the whole with a lot of players. Dobson is one of the only ones who is in credit enough for last night to be written off as a bad performance, but then when he first started under Adkins and was playing in a way that didn't suit him he was 'pony' and more evidence of a bad window. I do find it frustrating watching players getting completely written off after one poor game and fans saying they never want them to wear the shirt again. It's L1, the players are going to be bad sometimes. Even in our best seasons we've had games where some of our key players were absolute jankCurbs_Ball said:
It certainly is.Braziliance said:
It's a vicious cycle isn't it.
I just view it as people get emotional and I doubt it's said with too much malice. If people can't have a moan here then where?
Appleton did get it wrong, it's not to say he's a bad manager as he's done well so far and he's in credit, but he definitely got it wrong, Lincoln certainly played well but it shouldn't have been so easy when you consider Lincoln City's squad. The Dobson captain shouts are valid imo, he doesn't have a captains presence about him and he doesn't command vocally on the pitch. There is no doubt he is a 100%er and he leaves it all on the pitch, he just doesn't appear to have proper leaders skills on the pitch from what I have seen, what he is like off it is anyones guess, but I can see why people say it.
I don't see the pattern as I can't recall anyone saying top2 seriously tbf mate, usually sarcasm no? I think a fair few people think we can stake a claim for play-offs (that's where I sit currently) but most people think 7-12th is our current level it seems.
That's my mindset about it as well though, bad night, write it off and go again. I do however think it's fair to discuss players individual performances and thoughts, I'd find it pretty boring on here if everyone just said nothing about the game.
One thing I have always come to expect is more posts on these threads if we lose compared to winning, people are far more tempted to talk about bad news than good, we all love a moan. So I open this thread expecting to see people ranting from the off.
I have the same view mate, coming on here to have a moan is the whole idea, get it. My point is that I don't understand how it can be so irrationally up and down. It just doesn't make sense to me.
He maybe did, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I know it's not being questioned about him personally but that is going to happen from time to time.
Apart from Dobson, not a single person in that team is captain material to me. He is the epitome of a captain, not sure what he says on the pitch, or how anyone can hear what he's saying from the stands to be honest, but so be it, his actions certainly speak louder than his words if that's the case.
Yep I sit in the same place currently also, don't think it is a unreasonable target. With a play-off place though, hiccups will happen over the season.
Do think you are missing my point though, not that I am suggesting you agree, but just find the difference a game makes for some people quite baffling. Not suggesting for on minute that nothing should be said, far from it.
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What you have to look for is patterns developing and I think we can all recognise when somebody has had an off night that isn’t the norm but it’s fair to say that Hector is prone on a regular basis to game defining mistakes. Leaburn is not good in the air and has been anonymous quite frequently when playing as the sole striker. Thomas rarely adds much going forwards. Apples went very attacking with his line up and he’s erred that way since being here but went too far last night and didn’t seem to recognise it needed fixing til too late which he’s not normally been guilty of. AMB made a lot of good saves which is something he does a lot of. Campbell did well for a spell and then faded out which is norm, CBT blows hot and cold and was cold for most of last night - dobbo normally seeks his targets out and deals with them but missed so many last night - chucks always occupies defences but was injured - Jones is normally pretty reliable but dived in for one of their goals etc etc - it was a bad night at the office and probably the first time I’d be critical of apples not only for setting up wrongly but also not reacting to it - this probably assisted in so many players having an off night5
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If so, then there is the reason he was mustard last night for them with a point to prove.ElliotCAFC said:
Couldn't get a kick under MA at Lincoln and apparently they don't have a good relationship.Callumcafc said:This Lincoln lad *apparently* had Championship interest in the summer. If that doesn’t materialise, he’s the sort of player we should be looking to add to build a promotion winning team.Traditionally a right sided midfielder / wing back but played further forward last night and had a very good game.
Just wanna be proved wrong by this squad of players. Mickey A has a lot of work to do here, too many passengers on a beaten up old bus...
Scrape the playoffs, bottle the playoffs I reckon.
Should be called the PlayIFS with us.0 -
Rather you than me waiting for a night bus at The Elephant & Castle in the early hours.clive said:
It arrived back at Kings Cross at 01.15, fifteen minutes early, did me no favours as it added to my wait for a N63 night bus, but i did make my connection onto a N1 bus from Elephant & Castle to Plumstead Corner to arrive indoors at 02.55.HandG said:
Getting back to London at 1:30 wasn’t for me! Not surprised it was quiet….PopIcon said:Very few travelling back on the last train.
Well done Clive.0 -
Fair play to you Clive. I would have been fuming if I had put that much effort in to witness such a lacklustre / effortless performance from the players.clive said:
It arrived back at Kings Cross at 01.15, fifteen minutes early, did me no favours as it added to my wait for a N63 night bus, but i did make my connection onto a N1 bus from Elephant & Castle to Plumstead Corner to arrive indoors at 02.55.HandG said:
Getting back to London at 1:30 wasn’t for me! Not surprised it was quiet….PopIcon said:Very few travelling back on the last train.
Hopefully we bag a rare away win to give the travelling fans something to celebrate soon.0 -
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I think Dobson has definitely been "holding back" in the last few games, to avoid a yellow card & suspension. It was very evident last night.
NB the referee was excellent.5 -
I felt a bit for MA last night tbh he started the players that came on at the weekend, on Saturday those players looked class then 3 days later the same players put in a totally different performance.
not the time to panic hopefully that was just a blip but we needed something out of that game as I can’t see us getting any kind of result on Saturday although this is Charlton so maybe they will turn up and surprise me0 -
For a change we started the game well, but then didn't fancy continuing or showing up in the second half. So strange compared to recent patterns.0
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If Clive is who I think it is , he has seen a by far worst run than this one. What was it 29 away games without a victory then came QPR that November day 4-1😀Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Fair play to you Clive. I would have been fuming if I had put that much effort in to witness such a lacklustre / effortless performance from the players.clive said:
It arrived back at Kings Cross at 01.15, fifteen minutes early, did me no favours as it added to my wait for a N63 night bus, but i did make my connection onto a N1 bus from Elephant & Castle to Plumstead Corner to arrive indoors at 02.55.HandG said:
Getting back to London at 1:30 wasn’t for me! Not surprised it was quiet….PopIcon said:Very few travelling back on the last train.
Hopefully we bag a rare away win to give the travelling fans something to celebrate soon.1 -
I am not convinced he does last season, he was blessed to be partnered by Inniss who got the blame for everything. Jones gets away with stuff now because it's always Hector's fault.JamesSeed said:
Ness makes fewer mistakes.msomerton said:
Sorry Ness is no better than Hector at the moment. Being younger he can improve but will take time and he needs to be brought in slowly.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Hector has to be replaced by Ness. Been constantly letting us down this season.LargeAddick said:Said in the summer that I’d be happy if Hector left, I’ve never really rated him, but was told he was a Championship quality defender and we’d be lucky to have him. After last Saturday, when he apparently played well against a Reading team that hadn’t won away for 18 games, someone called him Premiership class. All bollocks. The bloke wanders around each week as if he doesn’t want to be here and only is because he couldn’t get a gig anywhere else. I’d actually rather someone who’s not as good but at least gives a shit.
And Curbs is right. If we are not playing well tonight then we needed someone to say to everyone, right, strap yourselves in, keep it tight, fight for everything and let’s just escape with a draw. I mean I love Dobbo but is he captain material? I never see him bawling out people or giving a youngster encouragement etc. When the chips are down we don’t have anyone who can drag the team through it.
A really awful performance by all bar AMB. Some I can easily forgive, Asiimwe, Campbell, Leanurn etc as they are still learning and hopefully they will learn quickly from this experience but others like Hector, Thomas and Jones, seasoned pros, need a kick up the arse pronto.
Both Watsons will also hopefully come back into the side on Sat.
Now I am not suggesting that the four above players are "promotion quantity" but there is something fundamentally wrong with the way we defend and has been since the clean sheet run we had under Bowyer over 3 years ago. We didn't have significantly better players then.
We play teams with worse players who are much better organised, drilled, committed, what ever it is.
Maybe it's a simple as the combination of the players. Maybe one addition could solve the problem. Maybe the new coach can. But its more than a dozen players and half a dozen managers can all have the same problem.3 - Sponsored links:
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Then if we beat Bolton we're back on track. That is football fans in general I think.Curbs_Ball said:
Oh the ironyBraziliance said:Why is it that when we lose and people voice their concerns about a recent fixture, it's seen as 'over the top' or 'overreaction' etc. The thread is post match Lincoln, not post last ten games. If people want to vent I don't see the big deal. I am sure when people are sharing their thoughts it's not with too much ill intent. Basically why moan about people moaning. I realise I now find myself moaning about people moaning about peoples moaning.
I made the comment on the fact that, from most, everything is so painfully literal. I just don't get how people make concrete assumptions after a performance.
All of a sudden, Appleton has got it wrong, Hector is awful and Fraser is useless. Won't even get to Dobson not being a captain!?
Last week people were discussing about mathematically breaking into the top 2, now we are average mid table. See the pattern?
People can vent away, totally agree, that's the whole point of the forum, as is backing the team on a set back.
Last night was a bad day at the office, we move on.0 -
PWR...year after year thread bare on left backs.
The Lincoln manager said before the game he knew where he wanted to target and I knew exactly what he was referring to.
It's the main reason I'm reluctant to go to games, good run aside, at the very best we only ever have one injury prone guy capable of playing leftback in a 20+ person squad, and no understudy from the U23s, year after year5 -
Not the same person. This guy don't go muchLewis Coaches said:
If Clive is who I think it is , he has seen a by far worst run than this one. What was it 29 away games without a victory then came QPR that November day 4-1😀Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Fair play to you Clive. I would have been fuming if I had put that much effort in to witness such a lacklustre / effortless performance from the players.clive said:
It arrived back at Kings Cross at 01.15, fifteen minutes early, did me no favours as it added to my wait for a N63 night bus, but i did make my connection onto a N1 bus from Elephant & Castle to Plumstead Corner to arrive indoors at 02.55.HandG said:
Getting back to London at 1:30 wasn’t for me! Not surprised it was quiet….PopIcon said:Very few travelling back on the last train.
Hopefully we bag a rare away win to give the travelling fans something to celebrate soon. 0 -
Callumcafc said:
Perhaps an easier comparison for CAFC fans to make… the season we got promoted 18/19, we’re only three points behind that side after 13 games.KingKinsella said:
From memory Blackpool run started from early Dec, they were low down but I don't think it was bottom 3.Should have looked it up before typing! why let the facts get in the way!swordfish said:Thing is, I've become accustomed to not expecting us to get good results in L1 and am always pleasantly surprised when we win. I keep hoping for better, but I never really get that belief. I think we are building back, but there's so much to do it's going to take longer than this season to transform.
Patience may be a virtue, but it's in short supply after our experiences of recent years.
On a positive note, the play offs will remain a possibility for some considerable time yet. Weren't Blackpool in the bottom three at Xmas the last time they were promoted out of L1 under Critchley? It can be done.
Still plenty of matches to go in a long long season.
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Had a debrief from my Lincoln supporting ex neighbour. That performance and result took them all by surprise. He reckons Sorensen and Adelukan had something to prove as they were both sidelined by MA during his tenure. It all makes sense now!3
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That Sorensen was a serious player, if we are going to lose players like CBT and Dobbo on frees I hope we can manage to pick players like that up.BexhillAddick said:Had a debrief from my Lincoln supporting ex neighbour. That performance and result took them all by surprise. He reckons Sorensen and Adelukan had something to prove as they were both sidelined by MA during his tenure. It all makes sense now!
He ran the show down the right and always seemed to be fairly dangerous attacking. Seemed to be able to cover a number of roles as well.0 -
Apologies- my sentence should have read "I should have" -it wasn't a dig at you, apologies that the written words don't reflect what I thought I was typing. My slow brainswordfish said:
I asked a question. You answered it. Thanks for that 👍 I wasn't trying to rewrite the facts and my point is just as valid.KingKinsella said:
From memory Blackpool run started from early Dec, they were low down but I don't think it was bottom 3.Should have looked it up before typing! why let the facts get in the way!swordfish said:Thing is, I've become accustomed to not expecting us to get good results in L1 and am always pleasantly surprised when we win. I keep hoping for better, but I never really get that belief. I think we are building back, but there's so much to do it's going to take longer than this season to transform.
Patience may be a virtue, but it's in short supply after our experiences of recent years.
On a positive note, the play offs will remain a possibility for some considerable time yet. Weren't Blackpool in the bottom three at Xmas the last time they were promoted out of L1 under Critchley? It can be done.0 -
Are we scouting Sorenson now in the same manner we did DJ and Kirk?
He had a good game, yes. Full stop.5
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