Abankwah, Ness, Thomas, Anderson, Fraser, Kirk, T Watson, Edun, and Tedic all utterly utterly pathetic. 117 league places below us and we never made a mark on the game.
I'd genuinely be looking at fines and transfer listings after that. Unacceptable.Â
The keeper looks crap too
and yet the keeper saved the one one-on-one with Kirk with his left foot despite going down a fraction early to his right as I recall (can't bear watching the replay so I may be wrong about this). Certainly, had Kirk lifted the ball slightly the keeper would not have got the chance. First time of viewing live it looked more like a cock-up by by Kirk rather than anything the keeper did but if the keeper left his leg trailing deliberately then it still counts as a decent save. De Gea at Man U made a habit of those types of save when he was there facing one-on-ones.
No, I'm still not going back to look and check whether I'm talking balls- just want to put the whole terrible experience behind me now Goes with the territory of being a Charlton fan I suppose - what can you do? Can't change clubs so just have to suck it up!Â
âYoung Karoy [Anderson] for the first 60 minutes was one that was asking a question in terms of staking a claim to be in and around it". What absolute tosh. Anderson played the perfect through ball for Scott Fraser's goal but was otherwise appalling, persistently losing out in one on one challenges together with wayward passing. I know he's young and is still learning but their central midfielder Black was a class above.
I can handle the piss takes from my mates, Iâve had it for years.
What I hate is when we play a weak side and give that type of performance my Grandkids donât really like all the hassle they get at school. Then they donât feel inclined to want to go again.
Apples needs to think about the wider picture if he wants to get the crowds back.
Totally wrong move to make 11 changes, particularly for a live TV game.
This x 100.
Look at our crowds, full of the over 50s. We need to start attracting more youngsters.
But how on earth can we do that with performances like last night?Â
Imagine you are a young kid of 6 or 7. All your mates support Arsenal or Man utd or Chelsea and you go to school today and get ripped to pieces because the mighty Charlton can't beat Cray blooming Valley? Why on earth wouldn't you want to tell your dad, sorry but I don't want to support Charlton?
I tend to disagree with this. I sit in the North Upper and drink in the fans bar and there are kids and youngsters everywhere particularly for Saturday games.
if any of my kids, one of whom is 6 and comes to games, choose to like football, theyâre coming to Charlton with me and, when they get older, theyâre coming to away games with me too and actually âsupportingâ their team. If they choose Chelsea or Arsenal then itâs Match of the Day only Iâm afraid. And, as for kids taking the piss, thatâs part of life isnât it? Just ask those kids who wear Man Utd or Chelsea kits if theyâve ever been to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge? My 16 year old has already been to 35-40 of the 92 including the likes of Forest Green, Accrington and Lincoln (twice) - thatâs never being trumped in the playgroundâŠ.
Seriously though itâs character building and whatever team you support youâll get it in the neck.Â
After a few hours kip I believe there are some positives.
1 We have given the supporters of a small local team a jolly. 2 We have given the small local team a financial bonus. 3 We are still going to get another crack at it with another financial bonus possibly. 3 We now realise that we DONT have the strength in depth that we once thought. 4 We now know who urgently needs to be shipped off to the donkey sanctuary. 5 Manchester City and Udinese will have to write off some money. 6 Our new owners now know that a large bank loan may shortly be necessary. 7 Efforts must be doubled to retain Dobbo. 8 The sellers of half and half scarves can have another crack at pedalling tatt. 9 We have given Millwall supporters a bit of a laff.
Apart from this what a total crock of shit.
Yup, but Iâm failing to get angry about this. If anything I see points 3 & 4 as being far more valuable than a four nil win would have been.Â
Short term pain, long term gain. Glad Appleton did what he did (sorry @bedsaddick). Playing a strong side wouldnât have revealed (emphasised) those weaknesses.Â
Although I can understand that view point to an extent, how on earth has it taken Appleton 10 games prior to that to work it out?Â
Surely we have vod avaliable, coach input, players input. Surely he speaks to Dobbo as captain and George tells him off the record who's a bit s*it and who's not?Â
I think he got it wrong and he's covering his arse. It is a poor excuse. There is no way on God's green he needed to see the players in question, underperform against a tier 8 side to decide x player isn't up to it.Â
To me it just says it all about the club, how It's all wrong top to bottom. No structure and no plan all just words. This is why I keep saying the club is full of chancers who don't care about the future of this club. All they care about is a wage and that's it for a lot of them. We are an easy salary for some people and have been for too longÂ
I cannot believe the anti Appleton bollocks on here. Yes a very poor display by 11 fringe players or coming back from injury. They should have been able to see off CV comfortably and if Kirk hadn't been so (typically) pathetic in front of goal, they would have. But put it in context. We played a good Wigan side off their own park for 80 minutes last Tuesday - one of the best displays since we pissed all over Forest in the first half at The Valley in the Championship. All that matters this season is the League and if yesterday equipped Appleton with the case to demand serious turn out of crud and strengthening of the squad in January, then it's all to the good. Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if we go through to Round 2 or not. Nothing matters but a promotion challenge.Â
After a few hours kip I believe there are some positives.
1 We have given the supporters of a small local team a jolly. 2 We have given the small local team a financial bonus. 3 We are still going to get another crack at it with another financial bonus possibly. 3 We now realise that we DONT have the strength in depth that we once thought. 4 We now know who urgently needs to be shipped off to the donkey sanctuary. 5 Manchester City and Udinese will have to write off some money. 6 Our new owners now know that a large bank loan may shortly be necessary. 7 Efforts must be doubled to retain Dobbo. 8 The sellers of half and half scarves can have another crack at pedalling tatt. 9 We have given Millwall supporters a bit of a laff.
Apart from this what a total crock of shit.
Yup, but Iâm failing to get angry about this. If anything I see points 3 & 4 as being far more valuable than a four nil win would have been.Â
Short term pain, long term gain. Glad Appleton did what he did (sorry @bedsaddick). Playing a strong side wouldnât have revealed (emphasised) those weaknesses.Â
Although I can understand that view point to an extent, how on earth has it taken Appleton 10 games prior to that to work it out?Â
Surely we have vod avaliable, coach input, players input. Surely he speaks to Dobbo as captain and George tells him off the record who's a bit s*it and who's not?Â
I think he got it wrong and he's covering his arse. It is a poor excuse. There is no way on God's green he needed to see the players in question, underperform against a tier 8 side to decide x player isn't up to it.Â
To me it just says it all about the club, how It's all wrong top to bottom. No structure and no plan all just words. This is why I keep saying the club is full of chancers who don't care about the future of this club. All they care about is a wage and that's it for a lot of them. We are an easy salary for some people and have been for too longÂ
Absolutely. Bullshit merchants to the fore and still some people lap it up.
i donât tend to react to individual results but that was shameful yesterday. Failure to beat or even deserve to beat a team in tier eight, at home on live television. The experienced pros should be humiliated by it and so should the manager. .
I cannot believe the anti Appleton bollocks on here. Yes a very poor display by 11 fringe players or coming back from injury. They should have been able to see off CV comfortably and if Kirk hadn't been so (typically) pathetic in front of goal, they would have. But put it in context. We played a good Wigan side off their own park for 80 minutes last Tuesday - one of the best displays since we pissed all over Forest in the first half at The Valley in the Championship. All that matters this season is the League and if yesterday equipped Appleton with the case to demand serious turn out of crud and strengthening of the squad in January, then it's all to the good. Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if we go through to Round 2 or not. Nothing matters but a promotion challenge.Â
No chance. I donât care about Appleton one way or another - heâs just the latest in a line of nonentities who will move on quickly. But we donât have the players, the culture or the commitment in the squad to get promoted.
Walker - In Isted's absence, he's our No 2 keeper. If we can't play him against an 8th tier team, when can we play him?
Abankwah - Not a RB, but would Asiimwe or T Watson have been much different? Ness - Wasn't everyone screaming for Hector to be dropped and Ness to replace him? Thomas - Has been a regular at LB, so again perfectly reasonable to play him in his correct position Edun - Our 1st choice LB coming back from injury. The perfect game for him to get some minutes
Anderson - Talented youngster, started the season well McGrandles - Has done well under Appleton previously. A perfect opportunity to give him some minutes after his injury Fraser - "The Scottish Pirlo". Was one of the 1st names on the teamsheet at the start of the season before his injury.
Kirk - The ideal opportunity to get some confidence into him Tedic - Not been given a chance to play as a No 9, the perfect chance for him to get a goal or 2 and get some confidence Chem - Many people have been questioning why he hasn't been in the matchday squads
It didn't work, but I can understand why Appleton picked that team. He would have learned a lot from yesterday, and not just about Kirk. Other players "failed the audition" while the lack of leadership in the first 11 is even worse in the reserve 11.Â
The problem isn't playing those players. The problem is playing them all together & expect them to play as a team.
By all means give Tedic a run out. And McGrandles if needs be. But start with 4 or 5 of your regular starters. What is it we are persistently told about having a spine of a team.Â
Brian Clough is regarded as one of this counties best ever managers. He would never have made 11 changes to a side that had just won their first away game of the season.Â
Play your best players. Win the game. Then make changes.Â
Playing your best players doesnât guarantee shit. Ask Portsmouth how their first choice XI got on yesterday.
Appleton picked a starting XI that had almost 1600 combined senior league appearances between them. Itâs not as if he played a group of 18 year olds that barely had 50 senior appearances between them and they got outmuscled.Â
Whatever combination of full time pros he picked, it should have been comfortable against 8th tier opposition.
Portsmouth didn't play a team in the 8th tier. That is the difference. 12 years ago, aged 35, I was playing in games and beating Cray Valley. It simply isn't acceptable. You know it. I know it. Appleton knows it.
and they were away against a team doing well at the moment in the National League. We were at home to a team in the 9th tier.
I wasnât saying Cray Valley are anything like Chesterfield, that wasnât the point.
The point was nothing is guaranteed in football while some are acting as if it was as simple as play the first team, get a quick lead and make subs.Â
We couldâve played the first team yesterday and still not won. It wouldâve been less likely, but not by enough (letâs say pluck numbers out of thin air and say 90% vs 85%) to outweigh the benefits of the team selection that was made.
âŠin fact Alfie May, Miles Leaburn and Louie Watson did play for 20-30 minutes and we actually somehow looked worse during that period!
I was disappointed at how we hardly tested their goalkeeper, have some long range shots instead of taking 5/6 touches on the ball, the guy is not a professional
I cannot believe the anti Appleton bollocks on here. Yes a very poor display by 11 fringe players or coming back from injury. They should have been able to see off CV comfortably and if Kirk hadn't been so (typically) pathetic in front of goal, they would have. But put it in context. We played a good Wigan side off their own park for 80 minutes last Tuesday - one of the best displays since we pissed all over Forest in the first half at The Valley in the Championship. All that matters this season is the League and if yesterday equipped Appleton with the case to demand serious turn out of crud and strengthening of the squad in January, then it's all to the good. Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if we go through to Round 2 or not. Nothing matters but a promotion challenge.Â
No chance. I donât care about Appleton one way or another - heâs just the latest in a line of nonentities who will move on quickly. But we donât have the players, the culture or the commitment in the squad to get promoted.
I was setting priorities, not making a prediction, but as it happens Appleton is our level right now. And, happily, he's doing a decent job with the resources at his disposal, in the competition that counts.
If I were the manager of Charlton I prob would have picked the same sort of team. Mixture of youngsters with some who have not been getting a game. But what I wouldnât do is pick the same side next game. I would then add those players names to the âdonât trustâ envelope a la Brendan RodgersÂ
I was disappointed at how we hardly tested their goalkeeper, have some long range shots instead of taking 5/6 touches on the ball, the guy is not a professional
totally, there was a failure to shoot early given the number of good positions we got into
I'm genuinely not sure if some of you realise we didn't lose yesterday. Bad day but we gifted them a goal and they got a draw out of it. Plenty of opportunity to right the wrong and move on with our lives
I don't watch many of our games, but I was actually looking forward to seeing some of the players to make the starting eleven yesterday properly for the first time.
Whilst it was poor, it was about as disjointed as whatever the last match I saw was. It's just that the standard of opposition was that much weaker. I didn't feel as if we were in danger of actually losing, which I often do, until they had that chance near the end.Â
I'm not sure what bullshit I'm lapping up, but our recruitment continues to be a major concern for me given how many players signed in the last five years have failed to impress, some of whom did themselves no favours last night.
Glad I didnât go or watch it on tv - Iâm done with reserve games dressed up as proper fixtures - I never watched reserve games when it was called the combination league and wonât watch them now so that rules out any cup games for me unless we reach the quarter finals in the fa cup or possibly the league cup - anything else, Iâm not interested.Â
Even if you didn't want to go, surely you should have bought a ticket - otherwise how can you be a proper fan? Â
Nope - Iâve done my time with these games and wonât go to them any more - they r a piss take and itâs how football is now - I wonât go and then moan about it, I just donât goÂ
Excellent - does that mean that I no longer need to buy a season ticket (even if I can only go to about 5 home games a year) to be regarded as a proper fan, or is it just an exemption for you in relation to cup games (unless we get to the quarter final)? Â
I think Appleton is getting some undeserved stick. On paper this was the ideal opportunity to give some recovering players a run out,and also give some of the fringe players a game and show us what they could do. H e did that,and was badly let down,I wont blame the guys coming back from injury but others just did not seem up for the challenge.They should have disregarded the level Cray play at and tore into them like it was a league game,but we stood off,let them play and grow in confidence,it was us who wanted the final whistle to blow. Now a word on Cray,I am sure some of those players have at some stage been on the books of league clubs and for some reason or another didnt make the grade,they had a point to prove,and boy did they prove it.Not afraid to be on the ball,no fear of us and in general a credit to lower league football. As previous posters have said,2-3 last night,must now be considered to be surplus to requirements,I dont know what happened to Kirk.he came to us under very difficult circumstances,and with a good record.He now seems to have lost the will just to play football,maybe Appleton sees something in training,and is waiting for that spark to ignite and we will see a different player,so low on confidence and the booing really dosent help.Tedic and Anbankwah,well I cant see anything there at all,so they should go back. Roll on the replay and then we can look forward to a relaxing trip to Preistfields.
And this opening sentence is the problem - there used to be a reserve league ti give players a run outÂ
You are spot on,we have the under 21s but that is a competition in its own right,we have big squads now,far larger than years ago,so loads of players dont get a game one week to the next,and then when called upon,are not ready for it.We used to have the football combination which was very competetive,and also at one stage played in a mid week league,as well as having the youth leagues.So players just out of the team still could play regular football and be ready when called upon.
Thank you - nearly all cup games r reserve games now and is why I donât go - the league is the only time it is guaranteed to be a proper game unless you get to the later stages - whether that makes me less of a supporter so be it but I made that decision a few years back - dont get why everybody is so up in arms about the team he set up with yesterday - just donât go and save yourself the irritation - itâs modern football and if they want to engineer it like this they can have empty stadiums as far as im concerned - attending games u know u wonât enjoy out of blind loyalty is over for me - attending league games ainât far off that but for now I will persevere as it can still be worth watchingÂ
I think Appleton is getting some undeserved stick. On paper this was the ideal opportunity to give some recovering players a run out,and also give some of the fringe players a game and show us what they could do. H e did that,and was badly let down,I wont blame the guys coming back from injury but others just did not seem up for the challenge.They should have disregarded the level Cray play at and tore into them like it was a league game,but we stood off,let them play and grow in confidence,it was us who wanted the final whistle to blow. Now a word on Cray,I am sure some of those players have at some stage been on the books of league clubs and for some reason or another didnt make the grade,they had a point to prove,and boy did they prove it.Not afraid to be on the ball,no fear of us and in general a credit to lower league football. As previous posters have said,2-3 last night,must now be considered to be surplus to requirements,I dont know what happened to Kirk.he came to us under very difficult circumstances,and with a good record.He now seems to have lost the will just to play football,maybe Appleton sees something in training,and is waiting for that spark to ignite and we will see a different player,so low on confidence and the booing really dosent help.Tedic and Anbankwah,well I cant see anything there at all,so they should go back. Roll on the replay and then we can look forward to a relaxing trip to Preistfields.
And this opening sentence is the problem - there used to be a reserve league ti give players a run outÂ
You are spot on,we have the under 21s but that is a competition in its own right,we have big squads now,far larger than years ago,so loads of players dont get a game one week to the next,and then when called upon,are not ready for it.We used to have the football combination which was very competetive,and also at one stage played in a mid week league,as well as having the youth leagues.So players just out of the team still could play regular football and be ready when called upon.
Thank you - nearly all cup games r reserve games now and is why I donât go - the league is the only time it is guaranteed to be a proper game unless you get to the later stages - whether that makes me less of a supporter so be it but I made that decision a few years back - dont get why everybody is so up in arms about the team he set up with yesterday - just donât go and save yourself the irritation - itâs modern football and if they want to engineer it like this they can have empty stadiums as far as im concerned - attending games u know u wonât enjoy out of blind loyalty is over for me - attending league games ainât far off that but for now I will persevere as it can still be worth watchingÂ
Been saying this for years. Clubs - and many fans-don't give a toss about these daft cup competitions. Fans vote with their feet. As you say it's only at the latter stages that the big clubs play anywhere near their first team players.
What baffles me is that we won the London Senior Cup last season with our U21s, beating non-league teams that are better than Cray Valley. Yet a team of senior pros, given a shop window to get moves out of the club, play as if they can't be arsed.Â
I really hope that Thomas Sandgaard was watching last night - it'd have shown him how much he hollowed out the club and the damage he caused.Â
Our under 18s beat them this season!Â
Yeah but, it was the u18 first team and they played together before in training, of course they won.Â
Separate question that Iâd love to hear answers to: take yesterdayâs team selection, and the U21s only as options off the bench, what do you think that squadâs natural level would be?
I have watched the under 18 and under 21 a lot including today , beating Ipswich 5-0 , I canât believe that Jason Adigun hasnât been given a fair chance in the first team squad. He is a good passer and stronger in the tackle than Anderson imo . Anderson wasnât great last night he lost the ball for their goal and his Pass was to Tedic who dummied it to let Fraser through .
I cannot believe the anti Appleton bollocks on here. Yes a very poor display by 11 fringe players or coming back from injury. They should have been able to see off CV comfortably and if Kirk hadn't been so (typically) pathetic in front of goal, they would have. But put it in context. We played a good Wigan side off their own park for 80 minutes last Tuesday - one of the best displays since we pissed all over Forest in the first half at The Valley in the Championship. All that matters this season is the League and if yesterday equipped Appleton with the case to demand serious turn out of crud and strengthening of the squad in January, then it's all to the good. Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if we go through to Round 2 or not. Nothing matters but a promotion challenge.Â
No chance. I donât care about Appleton one way or another - heâs just the latest in a line of nonentities who will move on quickly. But we donât have the players, the culture or the commitment in the squad to get promoted.
Airman, that being the case please give me an alternative, because I fail to see one and I also fail to see how anyone, even with the best of intentions, turns this club around.Â
Imo Appleton should have every right to expect any 11 players selected to be able to beat CV yesterday that isnât me being entitled itâs just a fact, every player on our books is a fully professional footballer. Unfortunately a few of them are happy to take their wage and ponce about thinking they are better than they are. If a team of 11 professionals cannot beat a team of part time amateur players 8 levels below then they should take a serious look at themselves. I would have thought that a few of them might have seen a tv game an opportunity to put themselves in the shop window but apparently not
Appleton said he found out things about the team he picked that he didn't know, or realise. So if he didn't know about the players he picked, how would he have any expectations at all? Simply based on the fact that they're picking up a wage as a professional?
Appleton said he found out things about the team he picked that he didn't know, or realise. So if he didn't know about the players he picked, how would he have any expectations at all? Simply based on the fact that they're picking up a wage as a professional?
He said that he had found out some things about 3 or 4 of the players, and he expected more of a response that wasn't forthcoming, also that we were too slow in build up play taking too many touches, now he didn't name names of course, but hopefully the lesson has been learnt and we don't have to watch any more dross, should that be the case then lessons would have been learnt...đ€
Glad I didnât go or watch it on tv - Iâm done with reserve games dressed up as proper fixtures - I never watched reserve games when it was called the combination league and wonât watch them now so that rules out any cup games for me unless we reach the quarter finals in the fa cup or possibly the league cup - anything else, Iâm not interested.Â
Even if you didn't want to go, surely you should have bought a ticket - otherwise how can you be a proper fan? Â
Nope - Iâve done my time with these games and wonât go to them any more - they r a piss take and itâs how football is now - I wonât go and then moan about it, I just donât goÂ
Excellent - does that mean that I no longer need to buy a season ticket (even if I can only go to about 5 home games a year) to be regarded as a proper fan, or is it just an exemption for you in relation to cup games (unless we get to the quarter final)? Â
I'm genuinely not sure if some of you realise we didn't lose yesterday. Bad day but we gifted them a goal and they got a draw out of it. Plenty of opportunity to right the wrong and move on with our lives
Sorry but that was a pathetic display and there should be no attempt to put any shine on it at all. It was embarrassing. You make it sound like getting a draw out of it was acceptable.
I'm genuinely not sure if some of you realise we didn't lose yesterday. Bad day but we gifted them a goal and they got a draw out of it. Plenty of opportunity to right the wrong and move on with our lives
Sorry but that was a pathetic display and there should be no attempt to put any shine on it at all. It was embarrassing. You make it sound like getting a draw out of it was acceptable.
Agree Large, it was a pathetic display, and we did lose a lot, we lost our self respect last night, and a draw was not acceptable, but we have a chance to redeem ourselves in the replay, so let's focus on that...
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No, I'm still not going back to look and check whether I'm talking balls- just want to put the whole terrible experience behind me now
Goes with the territory of being a Charlton fan I suppose - what can you do? Can't change clubs so just have to suck it up!Â
Surely we have vod avaliable, coach input, players input. Surely he speaks to Dobbo as captain and George tells him off the record who's a bit s*it and who's not?Â
I think he got it wrong and he's covering his arse. It is a poor excuse. There is no way on God's green he needed to see the players in question, underperform against a tier 8 side to decide x player isn't up to it.Â
To me it just says it all about the club, how It's all wrong top to bottom. No structure and no plan all just words. This is why I keep saying the club is full of chancers who don't care about the future of this club. All they care about is a wage and that's it for a lot of them. We are an easy salary for some people and have been for too longÂ
Yes a very poor display by 11 fringe players or coming back from injury. They should have been able to see off CV comfortably and if Kirk hadn't been so (typically) pathetic in front of goal, they would have.
But put it in context.
We played a good Wigan side off their own park for 80 minutes last Tuesday - one of the best displays since we pissed all over Forest in the first half at The Valley in the Championship.
All that matters this season is the League and if yesterday equipped Appleton with the case to demand serious turn out of crud and strengthening of the squad in January, then it's all to the good.
Personally I couldn't give a flying **** if we go through to Round 2 or not. Nothing matters but a promotion challenge.Â
i donât tend to react to individual results but that was shameful yesterday. Failure to beat or even deserve to beat a team in tier eight, at home on live television. The experienced pros should be humiliated by it and so should the manager.
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The point was nothing is guaranteed in football while some are acting as if it was as simple as play the first team, get a quick lead and make subs.Â
I was setting priorities, not making a prediction, but as it happens Appleton is our level right now.
And, happily, he's doing a decent job with the resources at his disposal, in the competition that counts.
Whilst it was poor, it was about as disjointed as whatever the last match I saw was. It's just that the standard of opposition was that much weaker. I didn't feel as if we were in danger of actually losing, which I often do, until they had that chance near the end.Â
I'm not sure what bullshit I'm lapping up, but our recruitment continues to be a major concern for me given how many players signed in the last five years have failed to impress, some of whom did themselves no favours last night.
Yeah but, it was the u18 first team and they played together before in training, of course they won.Â
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