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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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I for one don't get everyone calling for him to be sacked. He's done a good job over the first few games. That said, a bad result on Saturday and I will change my tune to #JonesOut.9
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Thanks Fen, I did explain my comments a couple of pages backfenaddick said:
To be fair this post is where the sacking thing started, it's just got modified a bit as the thread goes on. Chinese whispers etc.eaststandmike said:NJ has zero chance of managing in the Championship, after Stoke and Southampton he needs to prove he can manage a successful team and get them promoted.
I would not be surprised if things go sour we will sack him by Christmas1 -
We have had a really good start to the season. Jones is hugely experienced and is not at all silly. He has stuck with Gas for his workrate but no doubt will be quietly disappointed with his goal return so far.I think Myles will make a lot of difference when he is back in the first team, he is just more imposing and think things will click a lot better up top when he is menacing opposition defences. Take your pick from Godden or TC to play off him when he is fully back.Like others I do think we are still lacking a bit of creativity in the midfield area, particularly if Berry no longer has the engine to do the hard press labour NJ expects from a 10. I am pretty sure A Campbell is box to box or a DM not a CAM, so perhaps NJ overestimated Campbell’s versatility, him dropping a division and all.
As for choices at the back etc. Not always going to get it right. Hindsight a great thing, but he was trying something a bit different, held his hands up afterwards and we lost by the odd goal.
I would expect NJ to get Champ interest over the coming months as the managerial merry go round kicks into full swing, but hopefully this project in SE7 will remain of interest to him and he can see the potential to take us all the way back to the Prem in 5 years or so.The man appears such a keg of emotion all the time, I actually think the only thing that will distract him or frustrate his interest is impatient booing fans etc. I heard some boos at HT vs Blackpool and assumed that was for the ref, but if the team, we seriously need to get a grip and do our bit.Full support for NJ. Top bloke and will steer us to better times.5 -
Er, no one called for him to be sacked on this thread, let alone everyone. Don’t embarrass yourself and read the whole thread.SDAddick said:I for one don't get everyone calling for him to be sacked. He's done a good job over the first few games. That said, a bad result on Saturday and I will change my tune to #JonesOut.11 -
I don't think the midfield not receiving enough of the ball is the problem, it's what they do with it that's the problem.NabySarr said:
Isn’t playing REG instead of Mitchell not an attempt to do exactly that. A defender with more quality on the ball so he can pass the ball into midfield rather than bypass them all the time like Mitchell does? It was a mistake and he’s admitted it, but it was clearly an attempt at us to get the ball on the floor more and play more footballqueensland_addick said:Nobody wants him gone. But that doesn't mean he should be beyond criticism if he does crazy things like dropping Mitchell.
Had he said "I didn't like his attitude" or something similar, people would say fair enough.
But to use the excuse that it was because he wanted us to play more football, that just makes no sense.
He keeps saying that the better football will come, but there's no sign of that, it appears to be getting worse, not better.
I think people just want him to see, what we are all seeing, no creativity whatsoever in midfield, and then do something to address that.
The very reason we increasingly revert to the long ball as the game progresses, is because the midfield creates nothing.
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Pavoren007 said:We have had a really good start to the season. Jones is hugely experienced and is not at all silly. He has stuck with Gas for his workrate but no doubt will be quietly disappointed with his goal return so far.I think Myles will make a lot of difference when he is back in the first team, he is just more imposing and think things will click a lot better up top when he is menacing opposition defences. Take your pick from Godden or TC to play off him when he is fully back.Like others I do think we are still lacking a bit of creativity in the midfield area, particularly if Berry no longer has the engine to do the hard press labour NJ expects from a 10. I am pretty sure A Campbell is box to box or a DM not a CAM, so perhaps NJ overestimated Campbell’s versatility, him dropping a division and all.
As for choices at the back etc. Not always going to get it right. Hindsight a great thing, but he was trying something a bit different, held his hands up afterwards and we lost by the odd goal.
I would expect NJ to get Champ interest over the coming months as the managerial merry go round kicks into full swing, but hopefully this project in SE7 will remain of interest to him and he can see the potential to take us all the way back to the Prem in 5 years or so.The man appears such a keg of emotion all the time, I actually think the only thing that will distract him or frustrate his interest is impatient booing fans etc. I heard some boos at HT vs Blackpool and assumed that was for the ref, but if the team, we seriously need to get a grip and do our bit.Full support for NJ. Top bloke and will steer us to better times.
The team were dreadful in the first half, and deserved to be booed off. Jones himself was very unhappy with the first half performance.
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It was a bitSouthLincsAddick said:
Er, no one called for him to be sacked on this thread, let alone everyone. Don’t embarrass yourself and read the whole thread.SDAddick said:I for one don't get everyone calling for him to be sacked. He's done a good job over the first few games. That said, a bad result on Saturday and I will change my tune to #JonesOut.0 -
Positive ? Maybe defensively but attacking wise we are poor. We manage about half a dozen shots every game & lucky if 1 or 2 are on target. Only scored more than 1 goal once so far this season.roseandcrown said:Ridiculous. We are 4th in the league and despite Saturday a lot more positive than for many years.
Once the clocks go back we'll be lucky to be top 10.3 -
Let’s see. I think that’s a strange assumption to make.golfaddick said:
Positive ? Maybe defensively but attacking wise we are poor. We manage about half a dozen shots every game & lucky if 1 or 2 are on target. Only scored more than 1 goal once so far this season.roseandcrown said:Ridiculous. We are 4th in the league and despite Saturday a lot more positive than for many years.
Once the clocks go back we'll be lucky to be top 10.1 -
Which actually IS positive given that previously we were poor up front (basically if May had a good game or not decided if we won or lost) AND we were terrible defensively.golfaddick said:
Positive ? Maybe defensively but attacking wise we are poor. We manage about half a dozen shots every game & lucky if 1 or 2 are on target. Only scored more than 1 goal once so far this season.roseandcrown said:Ridiculous. We are 4th in the league and despite Saturday a lot more positive than for many years.
Once the clocks go back we'll be lucky to be top 10.
So yeah there is a long long way to go and much improvement needed but we are a better team (in terms of fitness, spirit, etc) than we were before.1 - Sponsored links:
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I personally think that Nathan Jones will have to change this system to get success. I also believe that even if Alfie May were still in this side he would struggle to score goals as we are set up to defend not attack. Apart from the abject first half and strange team selection against Blackpool, the biggest worry for me in the second half was the lack of attacking nous, it simply consisted of lumping balls into the box, in the main from Gilliphrey, we looked more threatening when we we got Tyreece Campbell on the ball.As for Jones leaving the club for Cardiff, what makes anyone think Cardiff actually want him.1
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He’s second favourite, which is why I bumped the thread in the first place.Bailey said:I personally think that Nathan Jones will have to change this system to get success. I also believe that even if Alfie May were still in this side he would struggle to score goals as we are set up to defend not attack. Apart from the abject first half and strange team selection against Blackpool, the biggest worry for me in the second half was the lack of attacking nous, it simply consisted of lumping balls into the box, in the main from Gilliphrey, we looked more threatening when we we got Tyreece Campbell on the ball.As for Jones leaving the club for Cardiff, what makes anyone think Cardiff actually want him.
https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20240922-next-cardiff-manager-odds-who-is-favourite-to-replace-erol-bulut
On this link he’s joint first with Mark Hughes, both 4/1.0 -
I don’t like the football under Jones, but all the work he has done behind the scenes, and the position we are in, it would be criminal for him to go!25
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I could be open to offers if anyone wanted my place in the fan base.Danny Addick said:
We don’t need a new manager, new owners or new ground - we need a new fan baseCodfishjunior said:This fanbase never ceases to amaze7 -
It’s also early to assume the football and individual players won’t improve. Coventry is rated higher in general than he was 4 months ago.DubaiCAFC said:I don’t like the football under Jones, but all the work he has done behind the scenes, and the position we are in, it would be criminal for him to go!14 -
Of course they could also get worse!Scoham said:
It’s also early to assume the football and individual players won’t improve. Coventry is rated higher in general than he was 4 months ago.DubaiCAFC said:I don’t like the football under Jones, but all the work he has done behind the scenes, and the position we are in, it would be criminal for him to go!
Or rather teams will find a way to negate our strength, which is (other than Saturday), our defensive solidity. We are quite a predictable team, with little individual flair, so our way of playing is no surprise to opponents.4 -
Firstly I hope and don’t think Jones is going anywhere. Should what I’ve just written turn out to be bollox then it will have only been Jones forcing a move. Some things are just beyond the control of the club. It would I feel be disastrous and set us back into a slide and probable league one mediocrity again. Quite who we could get that would replace and continue the improvement Jones has overseen is a mystery. Personally I think Jones is in his best job since Luton. He knows the club well. Seems to have persuaded the owners to give him financial and complete control and is backed by any supporter with an ounce of sense.4
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It's mad but i wouldn't be surprised if he left us for Cardiff, I dont want him to go but he has form doing it to Luton twice.
All that said im reserving judgement on Jones to either -
A) the end of the season, if we finish playoff then i dont really care bout the style
B we get in a postion where playoffs are unachievable2 -
Yeah, you can go for a start.Danny Addick said:
We don’t need a new manager, new owners or new ground - we need a new fan baseCodfishjunior said:This fanbase never ceases to amaze6 -
Given the changes in players, style and practically everything else I’d be very pleased to see us get top six in Jones’s first full season. My guess is that it’s next season when we should “expect “ promotion. For me although I obviously want success, is a free hit for Jones. He’s laying the groundwork. To expect instant success is quite an ask imho.Radostanradical said:It's mad but i wouldn't be surprised if he left us for Cardiff, I dont want him to go but he has form doing it to Luton twice.
All that said im reserving judgement on Jones to either -
A) the end of the season, if we finish playoff then i dont really care bout the style
we get in a postion where playoffs are unachievable6 - Sponsored links:
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ShootersHillGuru said:Firstly I hope and don’t think Jones is going anywhere. Should what I’ve just written turn out to be bollox then it will have only been Jones forcing a move. Some things are just beyond the control of the club. It would I feel be disastrous and set us back into a slide and probable league one mediocrity again. Quite who we could get that would replace and continue the improvement Jones has overseen is a mystery. Personally I think Jones is in his best job since Luton. He knows the club well. Seems to have persuaded the owners to give him financial and complete control and is backed by any supporter with an ounce of sense.
If he does go then we could do worse than looking at the Lincoln manager. Nearly had them in the playoffs last season and doing pretty well again this season after losing quite a few key players + having mcgrandles in midfield.0 -
All seems a very OTT reaction to what was an originally innocuous comment.Not sure why, but fans seem to jump all over others comments in recent years.18
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Not sure about that. Wales Online (🤷🏻♂️) has Jones as favourite for the Cardiff job. That’s quite a talking point surely ?AFKABartram said:All seems a very OTT reaction to what was an originally innocuous comment.Not sure why, but fans seem to jump all over others comments in recent years.2 -
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If we're as terrible as everyone seems to think then surely Cardiff won't want him anyway7
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Have you seen how bad Cardiff are?Garrymanilow said:If we're as terrible as everyone seems to think then surely Cardiff won't want him anyway3 -
Just saw that myself.Callumcafc said:“Would anyone be bothered if Jones left for Cardiff?” just posted on a Charlton Facebook group…0 -
Sure, but you don't then replace the manager with a L1 manager whose team play horrible football and will be midtable by the time the clocks go back just because he's from there, that would be crazyfenaddick said:
Have you seen how bad Cardiff are?Garrymanilow said:If we're as terrible as everyone seems to think then surely Cardiff won't want him anyway0 -
Rumours of Luke Berry and Allan Campbell looking at flats in the Cardiff bay area.38
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But beneficial to us by the sounds of that!Garrymanilow said:
Sure, but you don't then replace the manager with a L1 manager whose team play horrible football and will be midtable by the time the clocks go back just because he's from there, that would be crazyfenaddick said:
Have you seen how bad Cardiff are?Garrymanilow said:If we're as terrible as everyone seems to think then surely Cardiff won't want him anyway1
