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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed

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  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Jones is a bit mad. But a bit of lunacy helps if associated with Charlton Athletic.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,285
    thenewbie said:
    I am not against appointing him but I would like us to give Fleming a chance first. A two defeats (and some wins) or we bring somebody in chance over February. I think that is the common sense approach. I know some people don't share it but if Jones came in and failed that would fcuk us up. Somebody like him should be the lasp gasp option. 
    And if we give Fleming a chance but he doesn't win any games, whoever we then get in has an even more difficult job and less time to rectify it in. So... no.
    Fleming is caretaker and only the caretaker, his only priority right now is to try and stop the rot and provide the basics of continuity.
    He's spent a career as assistant to the main coach, he's good at it, he seems quite content. 

    He is a decent guy from what I've seen but nowhere near the full time job.
    But what makes you so sure Jones will? I am not having a Fleming love in but I was happy with Saturday and what if he gets a result next week? Even if it is short term, do we throw that away for something that may go right or wrong. If it doesn't work with Fleming we still have time. Maybe one or two games less but we have an extra life as it were.
    If it wasn’t the end of the transfer window this week then I’d agree. But a manager like Jones would seriously improve the standard of player we are able to sign before the deadline. We need the appointment made asap 
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,586
    NabySarr said:
    thenewbie said:
    I am not against appointing him but I would like us to give Fleming a chance first. A two defeats (and some wins) or we bring somebody in chance over February. I think that is the common sense approach. I know some people don't share it but if Jones came in and failed that would fcuk us up. Somebody like him should be the lasp gasp option. 
    And if we give Fleming a chance but he doesn't win any games, whoever we then get in has an even more difficult job and less time to rectify it in. So... no.
    Fleming is caretaker and only the caretaker, his only priority right now is to try and stop the rot and provide the basics of continuity.
    He's spent a career as assistant to the main coach, he's good at it, he seems quite content. 

    He is a decent guy from what I've seen but nowhere near the full time job.
    But what makes you so sure Jones will? I am not having a Fleming love in but I was happy with Saturday and what if he gets a result next week? Even if it is short term, do we throw that away for something that may go right or wrong. If it doesn't work with Fleming we still have time. Maybe one or two games less but we have an extra life as it were.
    If it wasn’t the end of the transfer window this week then I’d agree. But a manager like Jones would seriously improve the standard of player we are able to sign before the deadline. We need the appointment made asap 
    Aaron Collins could certainly be more attainable with the Welsh connection...
  • follett said:
    A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
    the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
    How can you pinpoint who/what made a team successful?  With players you can but managers/coaches its almost impossible.
  • Morning odds…

    - Nathan Jones 6/4
    - Nigel Pearson 3/1
    - Neil Warnock 4/1
    - Michael Duff 5/1
    - John Eustace 5/1
    - Mark Bonner 10/1
    - Gareth Ainsworth 14/1
    - 16/1 bar
    27th January morning update…

    - Nathan Jones 1/2
    - Alex Neil 7/2
    - Neil Warnock 6/1
    - Michael Duff 6/1
    - Nigel Pearson 8/1
    - John Eustace 10/1
    - 20/1 bar
    28th January update…

    - Nathan Jones 2/1
    - Mark Warburton 2/1
    - Gary Rowett 4/1
    - Alex Neil 6/1
    - Michael Duff 8/1
    - Neil Warnock 8/1
    - Nigel Pearson 10/1
    - John Eustace 12/1
    - 20/1 bar
    29th January update, unchanged from 24 hours ago
    I would vote for Non of the Above.

    Lets hope we all get what we want.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485

  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    NabySarr said:
    thenewbie said:
    I am not against appointing him but I would like us to give Fleming a chance first. A two defeats (and some wins) or we bring somebody in chance over February. I think that is the common sense approach. I know some people don't share it but if Jones came in and failed that would fcuk us up. Somebody like him should be the lasp gasp option. 
    And if we give Fleming a chance but he doesn't win any games, whoever we then get in has an even more difficult job and less time to rectify it in. So... no.
    Fleming is caretaker and only the caretaker, his only priority right now is to try and stop the rot and provide the basics of continuity.
    He's spent a career as assistant to the main coach, he's good at it, he seems quite content. 

    He is a decent guy from what I've seen but nowhere near the full time job.
    But what makes you so sure Jones will? I am not having a Fleming love in but I was happy with Saturday and what if he gets a result next week? Even if it is short term, do we throw that away for something that may go right or wrong. If it doesn't work with Fleming we still have time. Maybe one or two games less but we have an extra life as it were.
    If it wasn’t the end of the transfer window this week then I’d agree. But a manager like Jones would seriously improve the standard of player we are able to sign before the deadline. We need the appointment made asap 
    Only to an extent I think.

    The players we get in (if any) will be under negotiation already I imagine - any prospective manager isn't following our team so closely to know who we need to sign. Their name/calibre might influence someone who is wavering on us but assumes we are still looking at perm signings as I doubt the loan market candidates really care. We are stuck with whatever players Scott has lined up.

    It might have more of an influence on say Dobson signing his contract offer however.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Gribbo said:

    Rumour it’s Jones
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
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  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
    Nice scenery? 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
    Further away from Millwall and their supporters? Understandable.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,035
    Cawley's Aaron Collins piece mentions more talks with NJ today but also mentions Warnock , Neil and Warburton as names in the running. 
  • I was very impressed by the article as I believe others will be too.

    I take on board the comments regarding our SMT and their modus operandi but success must be paramount in their minds with difficult decisions to be made NOW.

    If relegation remains the banned word at our club as MA stated, then maybe it's time to put aside their pre conceived ideas and convince the money men that a significant "tactical change " in both style of management AND forward planning has to start now. 

    We have been described by some of late as a club that's lost its identity. 

    The time has arrived for that to change.

    I refer M'Lud to the "Next Manager " thread in early December when a certain Lifer addressed the issue of bringing in a former Charlton man & asked " Has no-one mentioned Nathan Jones ? "....  
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,490
    Swisdom said:
    Phil Chapple has been at a few of our games this season because I always say hello when I see him.  I thought he was checking our Corey but he was there to monitor Louis Watson.
    Must've been fun staring at the bench for a few games. 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Swisdom said:
    Phil Chapple has been at a few of our games this season because I always say hello when I see him.  I thought he was checking our Corey but he was there to monitor Louis Watson.  Really good guy and an encyclopedic knowledge of players at our level.  I'd very much welcome him back but I'd suggest Luton are paying him pretty well so it would take some offer.

    Nathan Jones was one of my preferred options.  Looking at his points per game his overall average is brought down by his Southampton and Stoke stints but his rate at both Luton stays is well above average.  He got an average team playing well above the standard expected and that's what we need.  Also known to like 3 at the back (3-4-1-2)Next best bet is probably Duff who knows the division and likes a 3-5-2

    Personally think Warburton has been out of the game for a bit too long and not sure his L1 knowledge is going to be up to it.
    Rowett is very pragmatic but asking a lot to drop to L1
    Warnock - Would get results but too short term for me.  We need to see the remainder of the season as our pre-season for next year so we need someone in place now that will be here for a while to come
    He only left West Ham in June
  • shine166 said:
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
    Nice scenery? 
    Not sure if this was meant to be ironic but there is indeed some lovely scenery around Huddersfield as anyone who used to watch Last of the Summer Wine would know. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,230

  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255
    It’s a step up from MA. That’s the important thing. 
    Not for me, I was hoping for another step sideways to cement anywhere from 11th - 19th in the coming seasons
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    follett said:
    A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
    the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
    Your comment has convinced me.
    I want Nathan Jones.
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  • A poll on the new manager options would be interesting 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    edited January 2024
    Good to see decent options in the running and time being spent on getting this right, just a shame the same wasn't the case when we appointed MA.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    Surely we can't actually be in talks with Jones.. Managers like that wait for actual big jobs and we shouldn't be aiming so high? 

    Even at rock bottom, still numba 1 in Souf Landan. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    thenewbie said:
    I am not against appointing him but I would like us to give Fleming a chance first. A two defeats (and some wins) or we bring somebody in chance over February. I think that is the common sense approach. I know some people don't share it but if Jones came in and failed that would fcuk us up. Somebody like him should be the lasp gasp option. 
    And if we give Fleming a chance but he doesn't win any games, whoever we then get in has an even more difficult job and less time to rectify it in. So... no.
    Fleming is caretaker and only the caretaker, his only priority right now is to try and stop the rot and provide the basics of continuity.
    He's spent a career as assistant to the main coach, he's good at it, he seems quite content. 

    He is a decent guy from what I've seen but nowhere near the full time job.
    But what makes you so sure Jones will? I am not having a Fleming love in but I was happy with Saturday and what if he gets a result next week? Even if it is short term, do we throw that away for something that may go right or wrong. If it doesn't work with Fleming we still have time. Maybe one or two games less but we have an extra life as it were.
    Because Jones is someone who has proven success at this level as a Head coach. Fleming is not. Its a gamble either way and I am not 100% sold on Jones but he's by every metric a safer gamble than Fleming.

    Getting someone (anyone really) in over Fleming may go right or wrong yes. But sticking with Fleming may also go right or wrong and hard to justify as anything other than kicking the can down the road. 

    If we were in midtable doldrums going nowhere then Fleming would get longer. We're not, so he doesn't. Harsh on him maybe but that's the game.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    shine166 said:
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
    Nice scenery? 
    Not sure if this was meant to be ironic but there is indeed some lovely scenery around Huddersfield as anyone who used to watch Last of the Summer Wine would know. 
    Yeah it was an attempted joke about the 'geography' 
  • Are there any teams in league 1 whose manager's last job was in the prem?
  • A poll on the new manager options would be interesting 
    I was thinking of starting 1 the other day as I feel it would be interesting to gauge opinions on this site, but I couldn't see an option to create a poll.

    Think you have to be an admin?
  • shine166 said:
    shine166 said:
    Rowett might fancy Huddersfield more than us due to the geography.  
    Nice scenery? 
    Not sure if this was meant to be ironic but there is indeed some lovely scenery around Huddersfield as anyone who used to watch Last of the Summer Wine would know. 
    Yeah it was an attempted joke about the 'geography' 
    Always a shame when you have to explain "the joke"...🙄
  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,034
    edited January 2024
    Are there any teams in league 1 whose manager's last job was in the prem?
    Ironically, the man who replaced Jones at Southampton. Ruben Selles at Reading