Replace Red Red Robin??

Carter

Keep it, we've managed to avoid the abomination that is goal music for which I am thankful. Red Red Robin is ours, its unique and rightly should remain never to be tampered with or otherwise dephiled. So many clubs have had to fabricate something similar and its just that, fabricated. 

I'm glad Everton have kept Z Cars as well. 

se9addick

Lordflashheart said:

se9addick said:

Lordflashheart said:

shirty5 said:

Lordflashheart said:

Gribbo said:

On Saturday Curbs had a story about a Tony Cottee anecdote (or did Curbs have an anecdote about a Tony Cotte story?), that when he used to play at the Valley he would get nervous with it being a derby game and the Valley being quite intimidating, then the Red Red Robin would come on and all his angst would immediately disappear. 

I'm still for keeping it though

Another poster said it was Tony Gale, who never played in Prem vs Charlton - in any event, same applies to Cottee, he never played against us in the Prem

Unless of course Curbs is saying Prem, when he actually means old Div 1, however even then, no Div 1 games were played at The Valley in the 80’s…..

Cottee scored twice against us in our first season in the premier league for Leicester at the Valley in the League Cup

Just under 20,000 in attendance that night 

Wow - great knowledge, albeit not a derby match though 

Aren’t they the team we’ve played against the most times? The eternal derby really. 

I thought the team we have played the most is Pompey 

Ah maybe

Lincsaddick

yes .. it's a symbol/symptom of an old fashioned backward looking club just wallowing in nostalgia, I mean referring to a large number of the aging fanbase, not necessarily the owners who I am sure are a dynamic bunch of thrusting, looking far into the future investors

Mendonca In Asdas

I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

Never change this. Change the music before it. Please do not play Nathan Jones.

Bring back "Let me Entertain you" etc. Was always good for building atmosphere.

Let me entertain you, Charlton haven’t done that for years!

shirty5

Mendonca In Asdas said:

I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:

Never change this. Change the music before it. Please do not play Nathan Jones.

Bring back "Let me Entertain you" etc. Was always good for building atmosphere.

Let me entertain you, Charlton haven’t done that for years!

And Congratulations by Cliff Richard 

SoundAsa£

Lordflashheart said:

se9addick said:

Lordflashheart said:

shirty5 said:

Lordflashheart said:

Gribbo said:

On Saturday Curbs had a story about a Tony Cottee anecdote (or did Curbs have an anecdote about a Tony Cotte story?), that when he used to play at the Valley he would get nervous with it being a derby game and the Valley being quite intimidating, then the Red Red Robin would come on and all his angst would immediately disappear. 

I'm still for keeping it though

Another poster said it was Tony Gale, who never played in Prem vs Charlton - in any event, same applies to Cottee, he never played against us in the Prem

Unless of course Curbs is saying Prem, when he actually means old Div 1, however even then, no Div 1 games were played at The Valley in the 80’s…..

Cottee scored twice against us in our first season in the premier league for Leicester at the Valley in the League Cup

Just under 20,000 in attendance that night 

Wow - great knowledge, albeit not a derby match though 

Aren’t they the team we’ve played against the most times? The eternal derby really. 

I thought the team we have played the most is Pompey 

Correct…..followed by Middlesborough

se9addick

SoundAsa£ said:

Lordflashheart said:

se9addick said:

Lordflashheart said:

shirty5 said:

Lordflashheart said:

Gribbo said:

On Saturday Curbs had a story about a Tony Cottee anecdote (or did Curbs have an anecdote about a Tony Cotte story?), that when he used to play at the Valley he would get nervous with it being a derby game and the Valley being quite intimidating, then the Red Red Robin would come on and all his angst would immediately disappear. 

I'm still for keeping it though

Another poster said it was Tony Gale, who never played in Prem vs Charlton - in any event, same applies to Cottee, he never played against us in the Prem

Unless of course Curbs is saying Prem, when he actually means old Div 1, however even then, no Div 1 games were played at The Valley in the 80’s…..

Cottee scored twice against us in our first season in the premier league for Leicester at the Valley in the League Cup

Just under 20,000 in attendance that night 

Wow - great knowledge, albeit not a derby match though 

Aren’t they the team we’ve played against the most times? The eternal derby really. 

I thought the team we have played the most is Pompey 

Correct…..followed by Middlesborough

Was it ever Leicester or have I just totally made that up?

SoundAsa£

se9addick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

Lordflashheart said:

se9addick said:

Lordflashheart said:

shirty5 said:

Lordflashheart said:

Gribbo said:

On Saturday Curbs had a story about a Tony Cottee anecdote (or did Curbs have an anecdote about a Tony Cotte story?), that when he used to play at the Valley he would get nervous with it being a derby game and the Valley being quite intimidating, then the Red Red Robin would come on and all his angst would immediately disappear. 

I'm still for keeping it though

Another poster said it was Tony Gale, who never played in Prem vs Charlton - in any event, same applies to Cottee, he never played against us in the Prem

Unless of course Curbs is saying Prem, when he actually means old Div 1, however even then, no Div 1 games were played at The Valley in the 80’s…..

Cottee scored twice against us in our first season in the premier league for Leicester at the Valley in the League Cup

Just under 20,000 in attendance that night 

Wow - great knowledge, albeit not a derby match though 

Aren’t they the team we’ve played against the most times? The eternal derby really. 

I thought the team we have played the most is Pompey 

Correct…..followed by Middlesborough

Was it ever Leicester or have I just totally made that up?

I’ve never heard that it’s Leicester…..so I guess you made it up. 🫢

Welly

Keep for sure.

DyerConsequences

Leicester won't have been for a long time, if ever. Only played them 53 times in total. Top 10 for reference:

1. Portsmouth 116
2. Middlesbrough 106
3. Bolton 95
4. Derby 92
5. Huddersfield 90
6. Wolves 85
7. Sunderland 83
7. Norwich 83
9. Blackburn 81
10. Cardiff 77

Henry Irving

Yesterday was our 108th league meeting with Pompey. They are the team we've met most.

League only

1 Pompey 108

2 Middlesbrough 96

3 Bolton 90

4 Derby 87 (88 on Tuesday)

5 Huddersfield 86

6 Sunderland 78

7 Norwich 75

= 8 Millwall & Wolves 74

10 Plymouth 74

We've played also Boro 10 times in cups but haven't had time to work out the other opponents cup games. We played Pompey in the Anglo Italian cup and Derby in the FA Cup Final.

Only Millwall are a London side.

DyerConsequences

My figures are total league and cup, since 1920/21

Total teams played since then, including U21/Reserve teams in the Southern League and EFL Trophy is 146 for anyone interested.

Big William

https://www.11v11.com/teams/charlton-athletic/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Leicester%20City/

This site is good for such things, you have to deduct the cup games to get the league totals, but useful none the less.

se9addick

So, to be clear, you’re all certain Leicester aren’t the team we’ve played most?

paulbaconsarnie

Algarveaddick said:

Everton run out to the theme from bloody Z Cars, and you never see them struggl... oh, er hang on...

Z cars theme is an instrumental version of The Ballad of Johnny Todd.
It’s an old song sung by sailors popular in and around Liverpool docks and was sung in schools in Liverpool.
The story is about a sailor, Johnny Todd who went to sea leaving the love of his life at home. When he returned he found out she had fell for another man while he was at sea, hence the term ‘on your todd’

At least that is what I was told by a scouser I know who claimed they sung it at school in the late 60s.

JamesSeed

Henry Irving said:

Yesterday was our 108th league meeting with Pompey. They are the team we've met most.

League only

1 Pompey 108

2 Middlesbrough 96

3 Bolton 90

4 Derby 87 (88 on Tuesday)

5 Huddersfield 86

6 Sunderland 78

7 Norwich 75

= 8 Millwall & Wolves 74

10 Plymouth 74

We've played also Boro 10 times in cups but haven't had time to work out the other opponents cup games. We played Pompey in the Anglo Italian cup and Derby in the FA Cup Final.

Only Millwall are a London side.

I'm amazed by the Millwall stat as we only played them a couple of times in the JS era. Both wins I think.

bobmunro

Lincsaddick said:

yes .. it's a symbol/symptom of an old fashioned backward looking club just wallowing in nostalgia, I mean referring to a large number of the aging fanbase, not necessarily the owners who I am sure are a dynamic bunch of thrusting, looking far into the future investors

Sarcasm is, indeed, the highest form of wit

Lordflashheart

https://www.fusiliermuseumlondon.org/art24483

Henry Irving

Lordflashheart said:

https://www.fusiliermuseumlondon.org/art24483

Excellent 

Is Paul Tracey a Charlton fan or did @SE7toSG3 write that?

Still needed a 78RPM of the original for the museum.

We have vinyl 45s including the one @BDL played on 5/12/92 and a gold disc version.

Henry Irving

DyerConsequences said:

Leicester won't have been for a long time, if ever. Only played them 53 times in total. Top 10 for reference:

1. Portsmouth 116
2. Middlesbrough 106
3. Bolton 95
4. Derby 92
5. Huddersfield 90
6. Wolves 85
7. Sunderland 83
7. Norwich 83
9. Blackburn 81
10. Cardiff 77

Excellent stuff @DyerConsequences

Does the Derby total include tomorrow's game?

Assume you're only counting league, FA Cup, League Cup, Anglo Italian and play-offs?

PS can I nick this for the museum's twitter?

Henry Irving

paulbaconsarnie said:

Algarveaddick said:

Everton run out to the theme from bloody Z Cars, and you never see them struggl... oh, er hang on...

Z cars theme is an instrumental version of The Ballad of Johnny Todd.
It’s an old song sung by sailors popular in and around Liverpool docks and was sung in schools in Liverpool.
The story is about a sailor, Johnny Todd who went to sea leaving the love of his life at home. When he returned he found out she had fell for another man while he was at sea, hence the term ‘on your todd’

At least that is what I was told by a scouser I know who claimed they sung it at school in the late 60s.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1m_ysiV4uVY

In the 60s school kids sang folk songs and religious songs in school, and maybe church, so I'm told 😉

Hence why lots of 70s football chants were based on hymns and folk/popular songs eg bread of heaven/we can see you sneaking out.

And Z Cars was set on Merseyside 

Lordflashheart

Henry Irving said:

Lordflashheart said:

https://www.fusiliermuseumlondon.org/art24483

Excellent 

Is Paul Tracey a Charlton fan or did @SE7toSG3 write that?

Still needed a 78RPM of the original for the museum.

We have vinyl 45s including the one @BDL played on 5/12/92 and a gold disc version.

I assume it was written by the Fusiler Museum - reckon if CAFC Museum get in touch with them, they can give additional info about Billy Cotton 

I think you should also ‘tap up’ Michael Grade, given it was through his family that Mr Grade became an Addick 

When I approached him at h/t last season he was superb to chat to - loved the fact I asked - very open about his start as an Addick 

Get it written down, before it’s too late …..

RRR is a huge part of our history

Mr Grade is also part of our history - I remember before the Pompey back to The Valley game, he wrote a brilliant newspaper article (in the Guardian ? - not sure) where he told people about a club in SE London, which he loves, and the upcoming homecoming was more important than any other match taking place that w/e anywhere

👏

EugenesAxe

The poll question doesn’t even make sense
Do you want to get rid?
yes keep it
no get rid
🤷🏻‍♂️

DyerConsequences

Henry Irving said:

DyerConsequences said:

Leicester won't have been for a long time, if ever. Only played them 53 times in total. Top 10 for reference:

1. Portsmouth 116
2. Middlesbrough 106
3. Bolton 95
4. Derby 92
5. Huddersfield 90
6. Wolves 85
7. Sunderland 83
7. Norwich 83
9. Blackburn 81
10. Cardiff 77

Excellent stuff @DyerConsequences

Does the Derby total include tomorrow's game?

Assume you're only counting league, FA Cup, League Cup, Anglo Italian and play-offs?

PS can I nick this for the museum's twitter?

No doesn't include tomorrow's game in those figures. Yes absolutely you're welcome to use it. It's all senior games since 1920/21, so League, playoffs, FA Cup, League Cup, Anglo Italian, EFL Trophy and Full Members Cup.

Henry Irving

Cheers @DyerConsequences

SE7toSG3

Paul Treacy is a Charlton fan who works inthe Royal Fusiliers Museum, thanks for sharing the article I hadn't seen it. 

Henry Irving

‘Still bob, bob, bobbing along after 65 years…’

A short history of Red, Red Robin by Clive Harris, Charlton Athletic Museum

There are without doubt four key elements that define our beloved football club.

Among supporters, whilst they are questioned and even challenged at times, they remain somehow

aloft, untouchable, irreplaceable, for they are Charlton Athletic.

In no hierarchal order they we have our original nickname ‘the Addicks’, unique, dating from the

very start of our clubs history. Whilst at times it has been temporarily displaced by ‘the Robins’ or

‘the Valliant’s’, ‘the Addicks’ remains ours (never the Addicts or Latics for the benefit of any press

reading this).

The Valley, despite being one of eight grounds Charlton have played at, it’s our only true home, one

that has witnessed the highs, the lows, near destruction and then deliverance of our football club.

Seldom few can boast a stadium, where, as the words ‘there’s been a goal at the Valley’ pass Jeff

Stelling’s lips, football fans across the country know that Charlton are involved.

Red shirts, worn since the East Street lads first formed a team in June 1905, with two short

exceptions, (the ill-fated sojourn to Catford in 1923 where blue stripes were adopted and once more

in the mid-1960s where rebranding provided a popular if short lived mainly white offering), we have

always played in red, in fact a particular ‘Charlton Red’ not to be messed with.

All three lead to and link to perhaps the most revered, yet often debated, unwritten rule in my

hypothetical constitution of our club. The Addicks must run out onto the Valley turf, wearing red

shirts, to the sound of ‘Red, Red, Robin’

The song, first written in 1926 by Harry Woods, a contemporary of Irving Berlin, was sung by child

music star Lilly Roth and became an instant hit. Different versions charting no less than six times

throughout the year, most notably that recorded by Al Johnson featured on the big screen in ‘The

Plantation Act’. It’s popularity as a jazz standard remained over the next few decades including

recordings by Bing Crosby, Julie London and Dean Martin.

There is no doubt that celebrity supporter Billy Cotton played a considerable role in its adoption by

Charlton. Cotton, a quite remarkable character, was born in London and served in the Gallipoli

Campaign before being commissioned into the Royal Flying Corps. He played amateur football for

both Wimbledon and Brentford and worked on the buses before turning entirely to music in 1924

when he formed the London Savannah Band. His popularity grew throughout the Second World War

through his work for ENSA entertaining troops, during his spare time he was a successful racing

driver, once attempting the land speed record (though failing he did reach an impressive 121.5 mph)

and finishing fourth in a Silverstone Grand Prix in 1949. He was an accomplished boxer and flew his

own Gipsy Moth Aircraft. Quite when he started regularly watching Charlton remains somewhat of a

mystery.

Anecdotal stories from older supporters suggest they heard ‘Red, Red, Robin’ at the Valley pre-war

and a story has emerged that it was recorded for the club by Billy Cotton to commemorate their rise

to the First Division in 1936. It has been impossible to substantiate this; in fact, all the evidence

points to its emergence some 18 years later.

Among the museum’s collection we are fortunate to hold the clubs board minutes  dating back to the 1920s. The entry for 12 February 1953 reads:

The Chairman said that with Mr Billy Cotton’s co-operation a record would be made with suitable

words, written by a song writer, to the tune of the Red Red Robin, this could be played as a signature

tune at all our home matches’.

Whilst it may be that other versions were played over the tannoy before this new release, Billy

Cottons version featuring ‘the bandits’, was first pressed by Decca records on 78rpm in mid-October

1954 (its B side being Hopalong Cassidy). It featured the band members spelling out C-H-A-R-L-T-O-N

and ended with a rousing Addicks Away! Neither appears on the current recording we play.

Our first home fixture after that date was an eventful 4-1 victory over Cardiff City in front of 26,376

on the 23 October, there is a delightful irony that after running out for the first time to the sounds of

Red, Red, Robin we were to concede within 30 seconds! A vastly improved second half saw goals

from Bobby Ayre (52), Sid O’Linn (70) and a brace from Billy Kiernan (72, 87) send the Valley faithful

home happy in a game where crowd scenes were filmed for Arthur Askey’s film ‘The Love Match’.

If so, then this centenary year of the Valley also witnesses the 65th year of our famous old anthem

being played as the teams run out onto the Valley turf.

Opposing fans my mock it, some ‘cooler’ supporters may occasionally say they are embarrassed by it

and the odd idea may emerge that it fails to inspire the players of today but, like Norwich’s ‘On the

Ball City’ and Birmingham’s ‘Keep Right on to the End of the Road’ it reflects the history and fabric of

our club. I would be confident that Drakes current offering, as contemporary as it sounds, would not

last the 65 years Red, Red Robin has.

Quite simply Red, Red Robin is our song, (ok, along with perhaps Hull Kingston Rovers who also play

a version), it featured on Desert Island Discs as John Motsons earliest memory of a football match

and has welcomed our heroes to the field for almost 1500 games since its introduction, it has rung

out around Wembley, most notably this spring when over 40.000 ecstatic Addicks sung along.

Long may it continue for another 65 years so my son can share it with his grandchildren as I did with

my grandad, and for now Charlton fans everywhere, Live, Love, Laugh and Be Happy.

charltonnick

12th February 1953

seth plum

Correction.
In the Clive Harris piece I think he means ‘Al Jolson’ not ‘Al Johnson’.

masicat

We could change shirts to blue, ground share with Millwall, have a Sparrow as our mascot and like Crystal Palace. Is this bloke winding us up? FFS