What a scumbag, turning up for training, after the summer break and doing pre season - the nerve of the guy.
This after getting drunk at the end of season awards? He gets pissed in Charlton whilst secretly wishing the whole time that he lived in different part of the UK? The blokes taking the piss.
We should offer him a 5 year deal right now so we can let him rot in the under 11’s for 5 years.
Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move.
I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.
I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
So you’re proposing to “punish” Fraser for what misdemeanour exactly ?
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
What is the player's fault is not playing to the best of his abilities in games and training. If he did then getting game time or finding another club would be no problem.
Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move.
I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.
I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
So you’re proposing to “punish” Fraser for what misdemeanour exactly ?
DFTT
I try think a troll is someone who unfairly attacks another poster on social media.
Disappointing that we will play our final preseason game with two No 2 goalkeepers as the options, but Hamer came in fairly late in summer 2011, and that worked out fine
How many do you need one in goal one on the bench
His point is that neither are good enough for a promotion chasing team. However, we have stacks of other players who aren't good enough for a place in the xi, so they're in good company.
Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move.
I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.
I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
So you’re proposing to “punish” Fraser for what misdemeanour exactly ?
DFTT
I try think a troll is someone who unfairly attacks another poster on social media.
Please take a look in the mirror Ben.
"A person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content. Internet trolls. In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word "troll" to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities".
Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move.
I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.
I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
So you’re proposing to “punish” Fraser for what misdemeanour exactly ?
DFTT
I try think a troll is someone who unfairly attacks another poster on social media.
Please take a look in the mirror Ben.
"A person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content. Internet trolls. In the late 1980s, Internet users adopted the word "troll" to denote someone who intentionally disrupts online communities".
Fraser is our highest paid player, £7.2k on sites I've seen. He prefers to pocket his wage rather than move on, despite us subsidising a half season loan deal.
I'm not sure how that is inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive. It is fact.
Many posters have said we need a No10 (not me) but how many want Scott to line up against Barnsley?
It isn’t Frasers fault we offered him a stupidly large wage. Why should he accept a pay cut when he has time still on his contract here?
If my job said oh actually we think we are paying you too much can you leave before the end of your contract or take a pay cut I would tell them to get fucked.
I had hoped that NJ would be able to utilise Fraser in some sort of plan B but he seems to have made his mind up that the player is surplus. In the circumstances we all want him gone but the player holds all the aces whether we like it or not.
I suspect that Begovic and Potts are probably still on the radar but we need to do some book balancing exercises first to free up wages - Bishop possibly in the same situation but might have either been told its a no go or doesn't want to wait and see/fancies his chances elsewhere (which honestly is fair enough.)
After a burst of (positive) transfer activity we seem to have hit a bit of a lull so it will interesting to see who of our remaining players do end up elsewhere or if the owners decide to take the plunge of paying up contracts fully or in part to force the issue
Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move.
I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.
I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
So you’re proposing to “punish” Fraser for what misdemeanour exactly ?
DFTT
I try think a troll is someone who unfairly attacks another poster on social media.
Fraser shit left in limbo Alfie May decent had buyers it’s football one wanted to stay the manager wanted neither
footballers have limited time to earn and unbelievably like in real life they pay tax on their wages, they have a cost of living , mortgages and rent aren’t free and some have family’s to help fund , the wages some of these fellas are on whilst more than decent will disappear like a puff of smoke by the time they are out of the game for a few years , so they have to make hay while the sun shines . i know I would , so realistically no one is walking away from whatever over paid contract our club put in front of them .
just pay up Charlton , we made the bad trade cut our losses and move on , it’s not rocket science .
My guess is it’s more the club holding up things by trying to get the best possible deal.
I expect he won’t leave permanently as no club in Scotland will pay him anywhere near what we are.
Therefore it’ll be a loan and the club will be trying to negotiate the highest %. If we only have offers of say 10-30% we might be holding off hoping a club will get desperate for a signing and increase that.
I don’t see us paying him off as it’ll be better to loan him out, even if the other club only pays a tiny % of his wages.
Maybe it’ll be reassessed in January when he’ll only have 6 months to go and might have clubs talking to him about a permanent deal.
Any chance of a signing reveal at the Valley this afternoon? Begovic or the young Jamaican player? Always like this type of approach particularly for the youngsters in the crowd.
Any chance of a signing reveal at the Valley this afternoon? Begovic or the young Jamaican player? Always like this type of approach particularly for the youngsters in the crowd.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
Relying on the UK Home Office to process it, so if we’re lucky we might get him before the deadline at the end of the month
And that's if the Home Office doesn't get torched by EDL thugs. Oops, my tongue slipped. Mods! Arraign this fool
It's not down to the Home Office. The FA is a designated organisation and issues a "Governing Body Endorsement" if the criteria are met. (This is a points based system but you can get a couple of players in who don't have the appropriate number of points.)
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
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Please take a look in the mirror Ben.
I'm not sure how that is inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive. It is fact.
Many posters have said we need a No10 (not me) but how many want Scott to line up against Barnsley?
So define 'troll' in my context.
In the circumstances we all want him gone but the player holds all the aces whether we like it or not.
After a burst of (positive) transfer activity we seem to have hit a bit of a lull so it will interesting to see who of our remaining players do end up elsewhere or if the owners decide to take the plunge of paying up contracts fully or in part to force the issue
Alfie May decent had buyers
it’s football one wanted to stay the manager wanted neither
footballers have limited time to earn and unbelievably like in real life they pay tax on their wages, they have a cost of living , mortgages and rent aren’t free and some have family’s to help fund , the wages some of these fellas are on whilst more than decent will disappear like a puff of smoke by the time they are out of the game for a few years , so they have to make hay while the sun shines .
i know I would , so realistically no one is walking away from whatever over paid contract our club put in front of them .
just pay up Charlton , we made the bad trade cut our losses and move on , it’s not rocket science .
I expect he won’t leave permanently as no club in Scotland will pay him anywhere near what we are.
Therefore it’ll be a loan and the club will be trying to negotiate the highest %. If we only have offers of say 10-30% we might be holding off hoping a club will get desperate for a signing and increase that.
I don’t see us paying him off as it’ll be better to loan him out, even if the other club only pays a tiny % of his wages.
Fraser will go to a Scottish Championship side and CAFC will pay 60% of his wage.
See more here if you are interested. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/player-registration/points-based-system
So we'll be waiting on the FA - which is likely to take longer than the Home Office being burnt to the ground.