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Will Mannion Signs on 3 year contract
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Im not, people are allowed opinions. Its nowhere near as bad as bristol goal but go watch it again and look how far he is to near post. He came off his line and tracked back hence didnt have his bearings and exposed the whole right hand side of his goal, the only conceivable area from that angle. If he takes half a step to his right before the shot he has a chance of saving it.Covered End said:
Trolling.cafc_se7 said:
Are you joking? 🤣Radostanradical said:
Made a mistake for their goal......boggzy said:
That's not all Mannion did - he commanded his area, cut out aerial threats, gave the defence confidence etc.sam3110 said:
Probably 1-1 because both of them are good shot stoppers ...boggzy said:What a game. Would love to know what the final score would have been with Kaminski between the sticks...
Mammoth performance from WM.1 -
I recall Nick pope letting a couple through his legs for us and look what a keeper he turned out to be. I think some technique issues with keepers can be fixed more easily than with outfield players. What Mannion has to do is learn and not let a goal like the Bristol City one happen again. To me he seems to have learned in terms of how to push balls away, which was previously a weakness, he commands his box as well as anyone too. I think we have the raw materials of a fantastic keeper there. Ridiculous to say he should have saved the Watford goal. It was hit hard and just inside the post.1
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Rewatch it and rell me he couldnt have done any better. It wasnt a howler but he should have done better. It was NOT just inside the post.MuttleyCAFC said:I recall Nick pope letting a couple through his legs for us and look what a keeper he turned out to be. I think some technique issues with keepers can be fixed more easily than with outfield players. What Mannion has to do is learn and not let a goal like the Bristol City one happen again. To me he seems to have learned in terms of how to push balls away, which was previously a weakness, he commands his box as well as anyone too. I think we have the raw materials of a fantastic keeper there. Ridiculous to say he should have saved the Watford goal. It was hit hard and just inside the post.3 -
I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.1
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Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.1 -
I think criticisng him for the goal is far too harsh but hey ho.0
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I have watched it a number of times and I think it is very harsh to criticise Mannion.0
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I hope we prioritise a couple of CMs, a couple of WBs and a striker or two before a GK.Callumcafc said:
That’s what xGOT is for, only accounts for the good (on target) shots. :-)fenaddick said:
Problem with xG stats in this context is they don't factor in how good the shots were. Sure maybe some of them had a low xG but the shots were good and many keepers would have let at least one of the ones he saved inCallumcafc said:
Was it? 1.13 xG / 1.03 xGOT faced and 1 goal conceded. About bang in line with expectation.Fortune 82nd Minute said:That's as good a display of goalkeeping I've seen from one of our keepers for a long time.
Hope it puts to bed he's not good enough once and for all.
31 shots faced but majority of them off target or from range.
He had a good day but I don’t think it puts the conversation to bed.
He had a good game, made some good saves and he deserves praise for it. I don’t think that means the conversation is closed on who is better.
Regardless of who we think is better now, I think we all agree that a new goalkeeper in the summer would make us all happy.7 -
Fair play to Will, takes a lot of strength to come back from what happened on Friday and respond like that.Also disappointing that Kaminski it seems feel entitled to play, and handled the situation badly1
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We may have to prioritise a Keeper after Kaminski has seem to have thrown his toys out the pram. If he forces a move and lets face it Jones doesn’t keep players he doesn’t see eye to eye with we’re going to need a new GKScoham said:
I hope we prioritise a couple of CMs, a couple of WBs and a striker or two before a GK.Callumcafc said:
That’s what xGOT is for, only accounts for the good (on target) shots. :-)fenaddick said:
Problem with xG stats in this context is they don't factor in how good the shots were. Sure maybe some of them had a low xG but the shots were good and many keepers would have let at least one of the ones he saved inCallumcafc said:
Was it? 1.13 xG / 1.03 xGOT faced and 1 goal conceded. About bang in line with expectation.Fortune 82nd Minute said:That's as good a display of goalkeeping I've seen from one of our keepers for a long time.
Hope it puts to bed he's not good enough once and for all.
31 shots faced but majority of them off target or from range.
He had a good day but I don’t think it puts the conversation to bed.
He had a good game, made some good saves and he deserves praise for it. I don’t think that means the conversation is closed on who is better.
Regardless of who we think is better now, I think we all agree that a new goalkeeper in the summer would make us all happy.0 -
Think after yesterday's unconvincing press conference answer about TK you can absolutely add new keeper to the shopping list.Crispywood said:
We may have to prioritise a Keeper after Kaminski has seem to have thrown his toys out the pram. If he forces a move and lets face it Jones doesn’t keep players he doesn’t see eye to eye with we’re going to need a new GKScoham said:
I hope we prioritise a couple of CMs, a couple of WBs and a striker or two before a GK.Callumcafc said:
That’s what xGOT is for, only accounts for the good (on target) shots. :-)fenaddick said:
Problem with xG stats in this context is they don't factor in how good the shots were. Sure maybe some of them had a low xG but the shots were good and many keepers would have let at least one of the ones he saved inCallumcafc said:
Was it? 1.13 xG / 1.03 xGOT faced and 1 goal conceded. About bang in line with expectation.Fortune 82nd Minute said:That's as good a display of goalkeeping I've seen from one of our keepers for a long time.
Hope it puts to bed he's not good enough once and for all.
31 shots faced but majority of them off target or from range.
He had a good day but I don’t think it puts the conversation to bed.
He had a good game, made some good saves and he deserves praise for it. I don’t think that means the conversation is closed on who is better.
Regardless of who we think is better now, I think we all agree that a new goalkeeper in the summer would make us all happy.0 -
Yeah of course if TK goes that would make it a priority.Crispywood said:
We may have to prioritise a Keeper after Kaminski has seem to have thrown his toys out the pram. If he forces a move and lets face it Jones doesn’t keep players he doesn’t see eye to eye with we’re going to need a new GKScoham said:
I hope we prioritise a couple of CMs, a couple of WBs and a striker or two before a GK.Callumcafc said:
That’s what xGOT is for, only accounts for the good (on target) shots. :-)fenaddick said:
Problem with xG stats in this context is they don't factor in how good the shots were. Sure maybe some of them had a low xG but the shots were good and many keepers would have let at least one of the ones he saved inCallumcafc said:
Was it? 1.13 xG / 1.03 xGOT faced and 1 goal conceded. About bang in line with expectation.Fortune 82nd Minute said:That's as good a display of goalkeeping I've seen from one of our keepers for a long time.
Hope it puts to bed he's not good enough once and for all.
31 shots faced but majority of them off target or from range.
He had a good day but I don’t think it puts the conversation to bed.
He had a good game, made some good saves and he deserves praise for it. I don’t think that means the conversation is closed on who is better.
Regardless of who we think is better now, I think we all agree that a new goalkeeper in the summer would make us all happy.0 -
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you4 -
I was at at Shrewsbury on Good Friday and thought their keeper, Matthew Cox, on loan from Brentford, looked decent. He made a fantastic save from a close range effort which helped them get the 1-0 win over Tranmere. Only 22 and has played for England from U17 up to U20. Big step up to The Championship of course.bolloxbolder said:I like the look of the Stockport keeper.1 -
I'd be happy for Mannion to be our keeper next season.Callumcafc said:
That’s what xGOT is for, only accounts for the good (on target) shots. :-)fenaddick said:
Problem with xG stats in this context is they don't factor in how good the shots were. Sure maybe some of them had a low xG but the shots were good and many keepers would have let at least one of the ones he saved inCallumcafc said:
Was it? 1.13 xG / 1.03 xGOT faced and 1 goal conceded. About bang in line with expectation.Fortune 82nd Minute said:That's as good a display of goalkeeping I've seen from one of our keepers for a long time.
Hope it puts to bed he's not good enough once and for all.
31 shots faced but majority of them off target or from range.
He had a good day but I don’t think it puts the conversation to bed.
He had a good game, made some good saves and he deserves praise for it. I don’t think that means the conversation is closed on who is better.
Regardless of who we think is better now, I think we all agree that a new goalkeeper in the summer would make us all happy.
His coming for crosses and reflexes are far superior to the lumbering, sulky Kaminski.
We are in more need of a creative midfielder and a goal scorer in the mould of a now 'fragile'
Godden - a striker for whom I have a pathological love - than another expensive keeper.
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I'm really pleased he bounced back after the error on Friday. I didn't know what to expect when he came back into the team but my initial thoughts were that I felt more comfortable with him because it appeared to me TK had lost confidence.
For our style, I think we need a keeper who can command their box, make lots of saves - especially from distance, and avoid mistakes - do the basics! Mannion has the edge over TK on his aerial ability, and both seem to have slight issues with communication at times. Mannion had a question mark over his shot stopping and this was considered to be TK's strength. I'd say TK probably still has the edge but, other than one big error, Mannion has shown he is more than capable. Errors will always happen for GKs but so far Mannion has both got away with smaller errors and not made as many glaring ones as TK did over the season - perhaps a case of smaller sample size.
I think I probably under estimated how much pressure Mannion relieves with his ability to claim and clear crosses. He deserves the rest of the season and, unless a great option becomes available for cheap in the summer, I'd imagine one of the two we currently have start next year.0 -
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.4 -
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that1 -
On occasion you have to admit the striker has finished well, I think that was the case. Irankunda looked like he was going to score at some point the whole time he was on the pitch, unfortunately he did, exciting player to watch.5
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For me unless you have played in goal at the highest level any comments someone makes on whether the 'keeper should have saved a shot on goal can be ignored.1
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I am supporting Mannion and I would be happy if he is our no1 next season but the error against Bristol City was IMO unacceptable. By that I mean I don't expect it to be repeated. I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that it won't be. I think Mannion in the past had a flaw where he didn't always parry shots into safe areas but I think he has worked on that and ironed that issue out. I like a keeper who improves like that. His command of his area is excellent. I very much doubt that Kaminski would have saved their goal yesterday. I think he is a slightly better shot stopper but Mannion was strong in that respect yesterday. Kaminski just doesn't command his area at all well.elbiglad said:I'm really pleased he bounced back after the error on Friday. I didn't know what to expect when he came back into the team but my initial thoughts were that I felt more comfortable with him because it appeared to me TK had lost confidence.
For our style, I think we need a keeper who can command their box, make lots of saves - especially from distance, and avoid mistakes - do the basics! Mannion has the edge over TK on his aerial ability, and both seem to have slight issues with communication at times. Mannion had a question mark over his shot stopping and this was considered to be TK's strength. I'd say TK probably still has the edge but, other than one big error, Mannion has shown he is more than capable. Errors will always happen for GKs but so far Mannion has both got away with smaller errors and not made as many glaring ones as TK did over the season - perhaps a case of smaller sample size.
I think I probably under estimated how much pressure Mannion relieves with his ability to claim and clear crosses. He deserves the rest of the season and, unless a great option becomes available for cheap in the summer, I'd imagine one of the two we currently have start next year.0 -
It was simply a great strike, sometimes you just have to say well done. Would've taken a world class save to keep it out.3
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I'm intelligent, rich and handsome too. You should try it sometime, it is fun.TheHerminator said:
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that
Yes but my logic wasnt that he could be everywhere for every shot and applying to completely unrealistic physical demands.
I claimed for one shot his positioning could have realistically been better, I am not expecting him to dissapate into the quantum world.
I understand I am having to carry the intellectual load of the parley but do try to keep up with the point. My point was based on what is a reasonable expectation. I don't expect Mannion to be hanging from the corner of the goal just in case, as said I was a little harsh yesterday but also given how tight an angle it was he could have been a bit further over.0 -
Well I’m thick, not rich and ugly, what any of that has to do with football I don’t know, but it was a good finish!!😂Radostanradical said:
I'm intelligent, rich and handsome too. You should try it sometime, it is fun.TheHerminator said:
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that
Yes but my logic wasnt that he could be everywhere for every shot and applying to completely unrealistic physical demands.
I claimed for one shot his positioning could have realistically been better, I am not expecting him to dissapate into the quantum world.
I understand I am having to carry the intellectual load of the parley but do try to keep up with the point. My point was based on what is a reasonable expectation. I don't expect Mannion to be hanging from the corner of the goal just in case, as said I was a little harsh yesterday but also given how tight an angle it was he could have been a bit further over.0 -
All keepers make mistakes which often directly lead to a goal conceded.
Mannion has the ability to dominate his area by claiming crosses. Too many of our keepers have lacked that ability particularly in the recent past.
Yesterday showed that he also has the ability to be a decent shot stopper.
We could do and have done a lot worse.
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It was a very well struck shot and as said yesterday I was a touch harsh on Mannion.Sword65pf said:
Well I’m thick, not rich and ugly, what any of that has to do with football I don’t know, but it was a good finish!!😂Radostanradical said:
I'm intelligent, rich and handsome too. You should try it sometime, it is fun.TheHerminator said:
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that
Yes but my logic wasnt that he could be everywhere for every shot and applying to completely unrealistic physical demands.
I claimed for one shot his positioning could have realistically been better, I am not expecting him to dissapate into the quantum world.
I understand I am having to carry the intellectual load of the parley but do try to keep up with the point. My point was based on what is a reasonable expectation. I don't expect Mannion to be hanging from the corner of the goal just in case, as said I was a little harsh yesterday but also given how tight an angle it was he could have been a bit further over.1 -
What was noticeable yesterday with the saves Mannion was making was how he pushes the ball away from danger rather than back into play.He is improving overall as a keeper the more games he plays.7
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I completely understand what you said. I'm saying that by that logic you could apply that to any shot that goes in.Radostanradical said:
I'm intelligent, rich and handsome too. You should try it sometime, it is fun.TheHerminator said:
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that
Yes but my logic wasnt that he could be everywhere for every shot and applying to completely unrealistic physical demands.
I claimed for one shot his positioning could have realistically been better, I am not expecting him to dissapate into the quantum world.
I understand I am having to carry the intellectual load of the parley but do try to keep up with the point. My point was based on what is a reasonable expectation. I don't expect Mannion to be hanging from the corner of the goal just in case, as said I was a little harsh yesterday but also given how tight an angle it was he could have been a bit further over.
Keeper could've positioned himself better for that.
It's not possible to be positioned well for every shot as the game ebbs and flows.
I'm starting to wonder if we're talking about the same thing. I'm also trying to work out if you genuinely do think you're an intellectual or are playing up to a bit. Either way it's a bit of a shit look3 -
The fella absolutely blasted everything!!😂Radostanradical said:
It was a very well struck shot and as said yesterday I was a touch harsh on Mannion.Sword65pf said:
Well I’m thick, not rich and ugly, what any of that has to do with football I don’t know, but it was a good finish!!😂Radostanradical said:
I'm intelligent, rich and handsome too. You should try it sometime, it is fun.TheHerminator said:
You're fun aren't you.Radostanradical said:
Why is it when people say "by that logic" they never actually use the same logic. No I am not saying that every shot is "saveable" I am talking about one specific shot yesterday he could have sorted his feet out better.TheHerminator said:
By that logic every goal scored in every league should really have been covered by the keeper. Every shot is saveable if the Keeper covers all the angles all the time.Radostanradical said:
Yes but if he was better positioned he would have had front post covered too. He had a decent game yesterday but that doesnt mean he should be devoid of any criticism.MuttleyCAFC said:I have rewatched it. It was saveable if you knew in advance where it was going but a keeper has to cover the whole goal. It could have been shot at the near post for instance.
The fact that's impossible seems to not have registered with you
For what its worth I watched again this mprning and whilst I still believe he could have done better, I accept I was a touch harsh on him. It was a very well struck shot.
Please if you are going to "apply the same logic" actually apply the same logic not one you wish to believe for the sake of your own argument.
So you said that if he was better positioned he would have saved it.
I use that logic to say you could argue every keeper should be better positioned for every shot and save every chance.
I'm not sure how else I can explain that
Yes but my logic wasnt that he could be everywhere for every shot and applying to completely unrealistic physical demands.
I claimed for one shot his positioning could have realistically been better, I am not expecting him to dissapate into the quantum world.
I understand I am having to carry the intellectual load of the parley but do try to keep up with the point. My point was based on what is a reasonable expectation. I don't expect Mannion to be hanging from the corner of the goal just in case, as said I was a little harsh yesterday but also given how tight an angle it was he could have been a bit further over.0
