Why would Klopp, Pep, Howe see the abuse Gareth Southgate has had to endure despite his team getting to two major tournament finals and think “yep, that’s the job for me… lower salary too, bonus!”.
You’re basically deemed a failure and holding the team back if you don’t win the World Cup in 2026 - the expectations of the public are wildly out of touch with reality.
I’d prefer it if we actually played some football, actually excited the fans and got knocked out in the semis than have to suffer dull, boring football like that played under Southgate. Absolutely bored me to death.
Carsley would be a big call. We've got some berty big bollox in the squad these days. With his limited management experience would he be any better than Southgate at making unpopular decisions? One thing to maybe make a case for him would be international experience as a player. But he doesn't have that either
Don't care what the nationality of the manager is as long as we play attacking, attractive football.
Klopp, just to boil the piss of the 'we're Scouse not English'. Followed by Poch.
Wouldn't touch Potter or Howe with a bargepole.
How bizarre !
Eddie Howe achieved in every division getting promoted from League 2 until he reached the Premier. Managed to get the great underachievers Newcastle into the Champions league and this season overcome having eleven 1st teamers injured yet they still played attractive football. After 17 years he has the experience but the FA probably won't want to pay out the contract to get him.
Chelsea made Graham Potter rich assuming he has received the millions in compensation as he was in no rush to take the Leicester Job and other jobs he has been offered. Pot ter is as bright as a button and will continue to be a possession based manager, great against the top teams but hopefully a tad more direct against the lesser teams as you score one goal if there are 3 passes to score or 23 touches on the way to the net.
I predict it will be an Ex Chelsea Manager, so at least 3 contenders ?
Perhaps JohnBoy hasn't recovered from the fact that Newcastle, under Howe, have beaten Spurs in three of the last four encounters: 4-0, 6-1 and before that 2-1 at White Hart Lane. But then everyone beats Spurs these days!
That's why I was surprised AA after the attractive way Newcastle give Spurs a spanking.
And we beat them 5-1 and 4-1 in the time he has been in charge too but you all seem to have forgotten that.
He's done an ok job at Newcastle with massive backing. He done well to get them to the CL in his first full season but they had no European football. Then they got found out. Yeah they've had some injuries but what club hasn't? He done a good job at Bournemouth by getting them up but ultimately, it was on his watch they got relegated.
So yeah, in my opinion, he shouldn't even be in contention for the England job. I get the link because he is English but if he was foreign, he wouldn't even be discussed, would he?!
In the three seasons since Howe has been in charge, Newcastle have spent £371m. In that same period, Spurs spent £440m. Yes Spurs lost Kane last season (30 PL goals in 2022-23) but Newcastle started with a much weaker squad than Spurs had when Howe took over. In those two full seasons Newcastle finished 4th and 7th whereas Spurs finished 8th and 5th. Newcastle's points total for those two seasons were 131 vs Spurs 126.
I always think that how good a Manager is reflected by how he is rated by the club he manages. Most Newcastle fans were cynical about his appointment at the time but certainly do not think that he was "found out" last season because they recognised quite how badly they were affected by injuries (the equivalent of missing six of their best players for the duration of the season) and the ban of Tonoli. And they really do want Howe to stay. Not just because of the football they play but because of the visible improvement of those players that were there when he arrived.
Feel a bit sorry for Southgate. Probably the most consistent manager for our results in recent times. I know Sir Alf was in charge for 66 but what happened either just before or just after that gave us any joy? I was 4 so don't remember much about it but there has been a shed load of failure and dissapointment since then.
The more I read this thread, the more I go towards Carsley, and resisting the urge to go back to the Early 2000s and throwing money At the perceived problem
The more I read this thread, the more I go towards Carsley, and resisting the urge to go back to the Early 2000s and throwing money At the perceived problem
That’s a big call to put an ROI international in charge of the England side.
The more I read this thread, the more I go towards Carsley, and resisting the urge to go back to the Early 2000s and throwing money At the perceived problem
That’s a big call to put an ROI international in charge of the England side.
He’s a successful U21 manager for England, fit the profile of say de la Fuente, or even Scaloni, who were successful at age group level; and then stepped up.
Carsley has rhe U21s playing good stuff, and I couldn’t give a shit about him playing for RoI, the bloke from Birmingham not Cork
Just seen it's been announced Southgate is gonna be on Strictly Come Dancing...🙄🤔
Gareth Southgate have been considering going on Strictly for years and he made his mind up after being told to Foxtrot Oscar by the fans in the group games.
My Crystal ball shows me: His American Smooth is a delight but his paso double is going astray. He keeps his head up fine for the Viennese Waltz but when Gareth is suppose to attempt the quick step he ends up doing the back step.
The Judges feel that Southgate have plenty of flare and flair but just holds back and is too inhibited. Craig Revel Norwood said just let it out darling and be fab-u-lous.
I predict he will go past Blackpool with a fine cha-cha- cha and reach the final but will be hesitant at the end and stick when he should twist and be a runner up.
Just seen it's been announced Southgate is gonna be on Strictly Come Dancing...🙄🤔
Gareth Southgate have been considering going on Strictly for years and he made his mind up after being told to Foxtrot Oscar by the fans in the group games.
His American Smooth is a delight but his paso double is going astray. He keeps his head up fine for the Viennese Waltz but when Gareth is suppose to attempt the quick step he ends up doing the back step.
The Judges feel that Southgate have plenty of flare and flair but just holds back and is too inhibited. Craig Revel Norwood said just let it out darling and be fab-u-lous.
I predict he will go past Blackpool with a fine cha-cha- cha and reach the final but will be hesitant at the end and stick when he should twist and be a runner up.
Just seen it's been announced Southgate is gonna be on Strictly Come Dancing...🙄🤔
Announced or rumoured?
Would be very surprised, think he'll want a few months off then look for a club job.
Announced on Good Morning Britain this morning, so bona fide...🤷♂️
I was thinking whether I’d bother watching SCD anymore after the latest nonsense of bullying etc & now that’s confirmed it. It’s in the bin. I have no appetite for watching Southgate’s girating hips thank you very much.
GS did a sterling job and got back pride of the Nation. He's made his decision and quickly. Neither Potter or Howe inspire me, nor Carsley come to that. I've said it before and will say it again, the FA need to break the bank and go for Klopp or Pep. I'm not stuck up on 'he must be British" Why? No British manager has been successful in the PL for years. However I fear it'll be one of Potter or Howe.
Potter and Howe are good managers, much more tactically adept than Southgate. What's to fear?
Potter did well at Brighton but not at Chelsea. Too many big names at Stamford Bridge may be? Howe is a safe pair of hands, but doesn't set the game on fire in my opinion. We have a great squad of talented players, we need a manager who can get the best out of them playing attacking football. Neither of the above are, for me, that person.
There does seem to be that perception on here about Howe. Newcastle fans absolutely adore him for the brand of attacking football he has brought them and most say that it is the best since Keegan was in charge. This is reflected in some of their wins in the last two seasons:
Fulham (4-1), Brentford (5-1), Villa (4-0), Southampton (4-1), Leicester (3-0), West Ham (5-1), Spurs (6-1), Brighton (4-1), Villa (5-1), Sheffield United (8-0), PSG (4-1), Palace (4-0), Man Utd (3-0), Chelsea (4-1), Fulham (3-0), Spurs (4-0), Sheffield United (5-1), Brentford (4-2), Burnley (4-1), Wolves (3-0) and West Ham (4-3).
First season he was at Newcastle they were heading for relegation and hadn't won a single of their first 12 matches when he took over - they finished 11th and won 12 of their final 18 games. The following season they qualified for the Champions League in 4th and last season ended up in 7th after a horrific list of injuries. For a fair chunk of the season they were without 10 plus players and (not including those that missed a game here and there) the likes of Tonali (banned and missed 30 PL matches), Pope (missed 23), Botman (missed21), Barnes (missed 21), Anderson (missed 17), Isak (missed 8), Wilson (missed 18), Murphy (missed 17), Trippier (missed 10) and Joelinton (missed 18). The ones in bold would almost certainly be in their best starting XI but the likes of Barnes, Murphy and Wilson are viable starting players /potential game changing subs.
He should have had the job before Southgate. I’m not sure what else he is supposed to have achieved with that group of players.
Except of course he had not done any of those things at Newcastle at the time. Southgate was appointed in 2016, Howe didn't join Newcastle until 2021.
He's still probably the best candidate if it has to be English but saying he should have had it before Southgate is pure hindsight bias.
I meant now but so what? Look what he achieved at Bournemouth.
Allegedly the FA would consider Carsley as an interim until Peps contract runs out and make an approach..
I don’t see what the rush is. If they know they can get who they want by waiting with an interim then they should do it. Nations League is irrelevant and qualifying is a given.
GS did a sterling job and got back pride of the Nation. He's made his decision and quickly. Neither Potter or Howe inspire me, nor Carsley come to that. I've said it before and will say it again, the FA need to break the bank and go for Klopp or Pep. I'm not stuck up on 'he must be British" Why? No British manager has been successful in the PL for years. However I fear it'll be one of Potter or Howe.
Potter and Howe are good managers, much more tactically adept than Southgate. What's to fear?
Potter did well at Brighton but not at Chelsea. Too many big names at Stamford Bridge may be? Howe is a safe pair of hands, but doesn't set the game on fire in my opinion. We have a great squad of talented players, we need a manager who can get the best out of them playing attacking football. Neither of the above are, for me, that person.
There does seem to be that perception on here about Howe. Newcastle fans absolutely adore him for the brand of attacking football he has brought them and most say that it is the best since Keegan was in charge. This is reflected in some of their wins in the last two seasons:
Fulham (4-1), Brentford (5-1), Villa (4-0), Southampton (4-1), Leicester (3-0), West Ham (5-1), Spurs (6-1), Brighton (4-1), Villa (5-1), Sheffield United (8-0), PSG (4-1), Palace (4-0), Man Utd (3-0), Chelsea (4-1), Fulham (3-0), Spurs (4-0), Sheffield United (5-1), Brentford (4-2), Burnley (4-1), Wolves (3-0) and West Ham (4-3).
First season he was at Newcastle they were heading for relegation and hadn't won a single of their first 12 matches when he took over - they finished 11th and won 12 of their final 18 games. The following season they qualified for the Champions League in 4th and last season ended up in 7th after a horrific list of injuries. For a fair chunk of the season they were without 10 plus players and (not including those that missed a game here and there) the likes of Tonali (banned and missed 30 PL matches), Pope (missed 23), Botman (missed21), Barnes (missed 21), Anderson (missed 17), Isak (missed 8), Wilson (missed 18), Murphy (missed 17), Trippier (missed 10) and Joelinton (missed 18). The ones in bold would almost certainly be in their best starting XI but the likes of Barnes, Murphy and Wilson are viable starting players /potential game changing subs.
He should have had the job before Southgate. I’m not sure what else he is supposed to have achieved with that group of players.
Except of course he had not done any of those things at Newcastle at the time. Southgate was appointed in 2016, Howe didn't join Newcastle until 2021.
He's still probably the best candidate if it has to be English but saying he should have had it before Southgate is pure hindsight bias.
I meant now but so what? Look what he achieved at Bournemouth.
Agree. To take Bournemouth from League 2 to the Premier and keep the club with the smallest ground and smallest support in the Premier for 5 seasons was amazing. Great coaching to turn Journeyman footballer's from the lower divisions like Daniels, Francis and Steve Cook into Premier players was nothing short of a miracle.
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With his limited management experience would he be any better than Southgate at making unpopular decisions?
One thing to maybe make a case for him would be international experience as a player. But he doesn't have that either
I always think that how good a Manager is reflected by how he is rated by the club he manages. Most Newcastle fans were cynical about his appointment at the time but certainly do not think that he was "found out" last season because they recognised quite how badly they were affected by injuries (the equivalent of missing six of their best players for the duration of the season) and the ban of Tonoli. And they really do want Howe to stay. Not just because of the football they play but because of the visible improvement of those players that were there when he arrived.
Allegedly the FA would consider Carsley as an interim until Peps contract runs out and make an approach..
Would be very surprised, think he'll want a few months off then look for a club job.
Gareth Southgate have been considering going on Strictly for years and he made his mind up after being told to Foxtrot Oscar by the fans in the group games.
My Crystal ball shows me:
His American Smooth is a delight but his paso double is going astray.
He keeps his head up fine for the Viennese Waltz but when Gareth is suppose to attempt the quick step he ends up doing the back step.
The Judges feel that Southgate have plenty of flare and flair but just holds back and is too inhibited.
Craig Revel Norwood said just let it out darling and be fab-u-lous.
I predict he will go past Blackpool with a fine cha-cha- cha and reach the final but will be hesitant at the end and stick when he should twist and be a runner up.
It’s in the bin. I have no appetite for watching Southgate’s girating hips thank you very much.
To take Bournemouth from League 2 to the Premier and keep the club with the smallest ground and smallest support in the Premier for 5 seasons was amazing. Great coaching to turn Journeyman footballer's from the lower divisions like Daniels, Francis and Steve Cook into Premier players was nothing short of a miracle.