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  • Scoham said:
    West2003 said:
    jakecafc said:
    It's been all Birmingham. They should run away with this league.
    Their front 2 have 6 goals between them. Wrexham have 2 players with 5 between them. 

    35 players have scored 2 or more goals across league 1. None of our players have scored more than once.

    We are now down to 3rd. The 3 teams directly below us are within 3 points and all have a game in hand.

    And I'm not being negative I'm.just stating facts.

    Oh......and by the way, Birmingham haven't kept a clean sheet tonight BUT ARE WINNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCORED 3 TIMES.



    YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS POSITIVE.
    Scoring 3 and conceding 1 is certainly better than scoring 1 & letting in 0.

    Simple maths. And the table is based on points & then Goal Difference. Not clean sheets. 

    Couldn't give a shit if we didnt keep another clean sheet between now & the end of the season as long as we scored 2 more than our opponents. 
    I ask this out of curiosity...

    Were you also saying this when we couldn’t keep out a Port Vale side that went on to be relegated when we drew 3-3 there as part of our own slide towards the League One relegation zone?
    My point is, keeping a clean sheet is not an issue if you can score 2 or 3 yourself, like Birmingham did last night. There is a big difference to just letting in 1 to letting in 3.....as well you know.

    It seems that people are obsessed with a  1-0 "clean sheet win" and with it winning "dirty" or "ugly"......whereas I would be happier playing attacking football where letting in a goal is not an issue because we are creating chances up the other end & likely to come out on top more often than not. 

    It is early days but the league table doesn't lie. There are 3 teams on 13 points but we are 3rd for a reason. So just ask yourself, would you rather win 1-0 every week & end up 3rd or 3-1 and end up top (or even 2-1 as if level on GD the table is based on goals scored and not goals conceded). 




    What I think everyone understands except you is that no team will win every week, whether it is 1-0 or 3-1.

    Everyone else understands that an aim of scoring 3 goals or more per game is for fools, because it won't happen.

    If you're right and everyone else is wrong then please tell me who was the last promoted team from League 1 that scored a minimum of 138 goals. (Good luck with that).

    Everyone would like attacking football, scoring lots of goals and winning all the games.

    Everyone except you realises that this does not and will not happen.

    Wake up, do some research and educate yourself into the fact that no one scores 138 goals per season.
    We’re all going to look silly when Birmingham score 138+. It would have only taken £20-30m+ on fees, so what’s our owners excuse?
    Yes, but I can almost guarantee that we won't score 138 with Ahadme and T Campbell up front or even with Leaburn & Godden  ;)
  • Anyone got a heat map of where our players average positions are? Would be curious to see where our midfielders are on it.
  • Anyone got a heat map of where our players average positions are? Would be curious to see where our midfielders are on it.
    Coventry 
    Berry


    Docherty



    All according to sofascore.com
  • fenaddick said:
    Anyone got a heat map of where our players average positions are? Would be curious to see where our midfielders are on it.
    Coventry 
    Berry


    Docherty



    All according to sofascore.com
    Why does Berry appear non existent? 😄 
  • fenaddick said:
    Anyone got a heat map of where our players average positions are? Would be curious to see where our midfielders are on it.
    Coventry 
    Berry


    Docherty



    All according to sofascore.com
    Why does Berry appear non existent? 😄 
    Just guessing here but he's played less minutes so that could by why. I love COventry's red zones where he takes corners!
  • edited September 17
    West2003 said:
    jakecafc said:
    It's been all Birmingham. They should run away with this league.
    Their front 2 have 6 goals between them. Wrexham have 2 players with 5 between them. 

    35 players have scored 2 or more goals across league 1. None of our players have scored more than once.

    We are now down to 3rd. The 3 teams directly below us are within 3 points and all have a game in hand.

    And I'm not being negative I'm.just stating facts.

    Oh......and by the way, Birmingham haven't kept a clean sheet tonight BUT ARE WINNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCORED 3 TIMES.



    YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS POSITIVE.
    Scoring 3 and conceding 1 is certainly better than scoring 1 & letting in 0.

    Simple maths. And the table is based on points & then Goal Difference. Not clean sheets. 

    Couldn't give a shit if we didnt keep another clean sheet between now & the end of the season as long as we scored 2 more than our opponents. 
    I ask this out of curiosity...

    Were you also saying this when we couldn’t keep out a Port Vale side that went on to be relegated when we drew 3-3 there as part of our own slide towards the League One relegation zone?
    My point is, keeping a clean sheet is not an issue if you can score 2 or 3 yourself, like Birmingham did last night. There is a big difference to just letting in 1 to letting in 3.....as well you know.

    It seems that people are obsessed with a  1-0 "clean sheet win" and with it winning "dirty" or "ugly"......whereas I would be happier playing attacking football where letting in a goal is not an issue because we are creating chances up the other end & likely to come out on top more often than not. 

    It is early days but the league table doesn't lie. There are 3 teams on 13 points but we are 3rd for a reason. So just ask yourself, would you rather win 1-0 every week & end up 3rd or 3-1 and end up top (or even 2-1 as if level on GD the table is based on goals scored and not goals conceded). 




    What I think everyone understands except you is that no team will win every week, whether it is 1-0 or 3-1.

    Everyone else understands that an aim of scoring 3 goals or more per game is for fools, because it won't happen.

    If you're right and everyone else is wrong then please tell me who was the last promoted team from League 1 that scored a minimum of 138 goals. (Good luck with that).

    Everyone would like attacking football, scoring lots of goals and winning all the games.

    Everyone except you realises that this does not and will not happen.

    Wake up, do some research and educate yourself into the fact that no one scores 138 goals per season.

    Apologies for being harsh, but everyone's comments are continually brushed aside.
    I don't doubt your research, agree that no team can score 3 goals every game. Totally agree to all that.

    My point is, and still stands, that Birmingham & Wrexham are above us, not because they have had clean sheet wins, but because when they do concede they manage to score at least 1 more than their opponents. On the 2 times we have conceded this season we have scored just once in reply and that got us a point. 

    If you think my logic is flawed then please explain why we, having kept 4 clean sheets, are not top  ???  We haven't lost more games than Wrexham.

    So. Keeping a clean sheet doesn't nevessaily win you the title. You can keep 46 clean sheets but if you dont score either then 46 0-0's might just keep you up. 


    So you want us to score 3 goals per game, but concede that it is not possible, which really should be the end of the discussion. However ....

    No one says that we will win the league by keeping clean sheets.
    You are again making a false argument.

    Yes 46 0-0's will get you relegated and so would 46 3-3s.

    Nearly everyone is saying that with our limited resources and lack of goal scorers (yes we sold May but that is done and we are dealing with the now) we will more likely be successful if we can keep clean sheets and become very hard to beat.

    Surely you can see that winning 1-0 is much more likely/achievable with our squad, than winning 3-1 or 3-2 every game (not just a few times a season)?

    If you think we can score 138 goals or more then please give us a breakdown of who will score the 138 goals ie Ahadme 30 etc.

    We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6  games.
    Please look at last year's table after 6 games and try and understand that the season is far from over until next May.
    I see that you neatly didnt answer my question. So I'll ask it once again, this time as a 6 year old asking a parent.

    6 year old -  "daddy, we've kept 4 clean sheets and Wrexham 3......and Birmingham none at all. So why are thru both above us if it's all about clean sheets". 

    And what are you whittering on about......

    "We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6 games. Please look at last year's table after 6 games blah blah blah...."

    Simply....we aren't above Wrexham and Birmingham because of one simple reason. They have a better goal difference to us. And in case you are hard of hearing, Goal Diference is the difference between the number of goals you scored compared to the number you concede. So, although they haven't kept as many clean sheets as us they have scored more than we have.

    Let's just agree to disagree.
  • West2003 said:
    jakecafc said:
    It's been all Birmingham. They should run away with this league.
    Their front 2 have 6 goals between them. Wrexham have 2 players with 5 between them. 

    35 players have scored 2 or more goals across league 1. None of our players have scored more than once.

    We are now down to 3rd. The 3 teams directly below us are within 3 points and all have a game in hand.

    And I'm not being negative I'm.just stating facts.

    Oh......and by the way, Birmingham haven't kept a clean sheet tonight BUT ARE WINNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCORED 3 TIMES.



    YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS POSITIVE.
    Scoring 3 and conceding 1 is certainly better than scoring 1 & letting in 0.

    Simple maths. And the table is based on points & then Goal Difference. Not clean sheets. 

    Couldn't give a shit if we didnt keep another clean sheet between now & the end of the season as long as we scored 2 more than our opponents. 
    I ask this out of curiosity...

    Were you also saying this when we couldn’t keep out a Port Vale side that went on to be relegated when we drew 3-3 there as part of our own slide towards the League One relegation zone?
    My point is, keeping a clean sheet is not an issue if you can score 2 or 3 yourself, like Birmingham did last night. There is a big difference to just letting in 1 to letting in 3.....as well you know.

    It seems that people are obsessed with a  1-0 "clean sheet win" and with it winning "dirty" or "ugly"......whereas I would be happier playing attacking football where letting in a goal is not an issue because we are creating chances up the other end & likely to come out on top more often than not. 

    It is early days but the league table doesn't lie. There are 3 teams on 13 points but we are 3rd for a reason. So just ask yourself, would you rather win 1-0 every week & end up 3rd or 3-1 and end up top (or even 2-1 as if level on GD the table is based on goals scored and not goals conceded). 




    What I think everyone understands except you is that no team will win every week, whether it is 1-0 or 3-1.

    Everyone else understands that an aim of scoring 3 goals or more per game is for fools, because it won't happen.

    If you're right and everyone else is wrong then please tell me who was the last promoted team from League 1 that scored a minimum of 138 goals. (Good luck with that).

    Everyone would like attacking football, scoring lots of goals and winning all the games.

    Everyone except you realises that this does not and will not happen.

    Wake up, do some research and educate yourself into the fact that no one scores 138 goals per season.

    Apologies for being harsh, but everyone's comments are continually brushed aside.
    I don't doubt your research, agree that no team can score 3 goals every game. Totally agree to all that.

    My point is, and still stands, that Birmingham & Wrexham are above us, not because they have had clean sheet wins, but because when they do concede they manage to score at least 1 more than their opponents. On the 2 times we have conceded this season we have scored just once in reply and that got us a point. 

    If you think my logic is flawed then please explain why we, having kept 4 clean sheets, are not top  ???  We haven't lost more games than Wrexham.

    So. Keeping a clean sheet doesn't nevessaily win you the title. You can keep 46 clean sheets but if you dont score either then 46 0-0's might just keep you up. 


    So you want us to score 3 goals per game, but concede that it is not possible, which really should be the end of the discussion. However ....

    No one says that we will win the league by keeping clean sheets.
    You are again making a false argument.

    Yes 46 0-0's will get you relegated and so would 46 3-3s.

    Nearly everyone is saying that with our limited resources and lack of goal scorers (yes we sold May but that is done and we are dealing with the now) we will more likely be successful if we can keep clean sheets and become very hard to beat.

    Surely you can see that winning 1-0 is much more likely/achievable with our squad, than winning 3-1 or 3-2 every game (not just a few times a season)?

    If you think we can score 138 goals or more then please give us a breakdown of who will score the 138 goals ie Ahadme 30 etc.

    We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6  games.
    Please look at last year's table after 6 games and try and understand that the season is far from over until next May.
    I see that you neatly didnt answer my question. So I'll ask it once again, this time as a 6 year old asking a parent.

    6 year old -  "daddy, we've kept 4 clean sheets and Wrexham 3......and Birmingham none at all. So why are thru both above us if it's all about clean sheets". 
    Come on mate, disagree all you want but no need to be so patronising
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  • edited September 17
    Scoham said:
    West2003 said:
    jakecafc said:
    It's been all Birmingham. They should run away with this league.
    Their front 2 have 6 goals between them. Wrexham have 2 players with 5 between them. 

    35 players have scored 2 or more goals across league 1. None of our players have scored more than once.

    We are now down to 3rd. The 3 teams directly below us are within 3 points and all have a game in hand.

    And I'm not being negative I'm.just stating facts.

    Oh......and by the way, Birmingham haven't kept a clean sheet tonight BUT ARE WINNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCORED 3 TIMES.



    YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS POSITIVE.
    Scoring 3 and conceding 1 is certainly better than scoring 1 & letting in 0.

    Simple maths. And the table is based on points & then Goal Difference. Not clean sheets. 

    Couldn't give a shit if we didnt keep another clean sheet between now & the end of the season as long as we scored 2 more than our opponents. 
    I ask this out of curiosity...

    Were you also saying this when we couldn’t keep out a Port Vale side that went on to be relegated when we drew 3-3 there as part of our own slide towards the League One relegation zone?
    My point is, keeping a clean sheet is not an issue if you can score 2 or 3 yourself, like Birmingham did last night. There is a big difference to just letting in 1 to letting in 3.....as well you know.

    It seems that people are obsessed with a  1-0 "clean sheet win" and with it winning "dirty" or "ugly"......whereas I would be happier playing attacking football where letting in a goal is not an issue because we are creating chances up the other end & likely to come out on top more often than not. 

    It is early days but the league table doesn't lie. There are 3 teams on 13 points but we are 3rd for a reason. So just ask yourself, would you rather win 1-0 every week & end up 3rd or 3-1 and end up top (or even 2-1 as if level on GD the table is based on goals scored and not goals conceded). 




    What I think everyone understands except you is that no team will win every week, whether it is 1-0 or 3-1.

    Everyone else understands that an aim of scoring 3 goals or more per game is for fools, because it won't happen.

    If you're right and everyone else is wrong then please tell me who was the last promoted team from League 1 that scored a minimum of 138 goals. (Good luck with that).

    Everyone would like attacking football, scoring lots of goals and winning all the games.

    Everyone except you realises that this does not and will not happen.

    Wake up, do some research and educate yourself into the fact that no one scores 138 goals per season.

    Apologies for being harsh, but everyone's comments are continually brushed aside.
    I don't doubt your research, agree that no team can score 3 goals every game. Totally agree to all that.

    My point is, and still stands, that Birmingham & Wrexham are above us, not because they have had clean sheet wins, but because when they do concede they manage to score at least 1 more than their opponents. On the 2 times we have conceded this season we have scored just once in reply and that got us a point. 

    If you think my logic is flawed then please explain why we, having kept 4 clean sheets, are not top  ???  We haven't lost more games than Wrexham.

    So. Keeping a clean sheet doesn't nevessaily win you the title. You can keep 46 clean sheets but if you dont score either then 46 0-0's might just keep you up. 


    So you want us to score 3 goals per game, but concede that it is not possible, which really should be the end of the discussion. However ....

    No one says that we will win the league by keeping clean sheets.
    You are again making a false argument.

    Yes 46 0-0's will get you relegated and so would 46 3-3s.

    Nearly everyone is saying that with our limited resources and lack of goal scorers (yes we sold May but that is done and we are dealing with the now) we will more likely be successful if we can keep clean sheets and become very hard to beat.

    Surely you can see that winning 1-0 is much more likely/achievable with our squad, than winning 3-1 or 3-2 every game (not just a few times a season)?

    If you think we can score 138 goals or more then please give us a breakdown of who will score the 138 goals ie Ahadme 30 etc.

    We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6  games.
    Please look at last year's table after 6 games and try and understand that the season is far from over until next May.
    I see that you neatly didnt answer my question. So I'll ask it once again, this time as a 6 year old asking a parent.

    6 year old -  "daddy, we've kept 4 clean sheets and Wrexham 3......and Birmingham none at all. So why are thru both above us if it's all about clean sheets". 

    And what are you whittering on about......

    "We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6 games. Please look at last year's table after 6 games blah blah blah...."

    Simply....we aren't above Wrexham and Birmingham because of one simple reason. They have a better goal difference to us. And in case you are hard of hearing, Goal Diference is the difference between the number of goals you scored compared to the number you concede. So, although they haven't kept as many clean sheets as us they have scored more than we have.

    Let's just agree to disagree.
    How often is promotion decided on goal difference and not points?
    The only time I can think of off the top of my head is when City beat Utd on GD with the Aguero goal vs QPR 
  • edited September 17
    Scoham said:
    West2003 said:
    jakecafc said:
    It's been all Birmingham. They should run away with this league.
    Their front 2 have 6 goals between them. Wrexham have 2 players with 5 between them. 

    35 players have scored 2 or more goals across league 1. None of our players have scored more than once.

    We are now down to 3rd. The 3 teams directly below us are within 3 points and all have a game in hand.

    And I'm not being negative I'm.just stating facts.

    Oh......and by the way, Birmingham haven't kept a clean sheet tonight BUT ARE WINNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCORED 3 TIMES.



    YOU ARE SO NEGATIVE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS POSITIVE.
    Scoring 3 and conceding 1 is certainly better than scoring 1 & letting in 0.

    Simple maths. And the table is based on points & then Goal Difference. Not clean sheets. 

    Couldn't give a shit if we didnt keep another clean sheet between now & the end of the season as long as we scored 2 more than our opponents. 
    I ask this out of curiosity...

    Were you also saying this when we couldn’t keep out a Port Vale side that went on to be relegated when we drew 3-3 there as part of our own slide towards the League One relegation zone?
    My point is, keeping a clean sheet is not an issue if you can score 2 or 3 yourself, like Birmingham did last night. There is a big difference to just letting in 1 to letting in 3.....as well you know.

    It seems that people are obsessed with a  1-0 "clean sheet win" and with it winning "dirty" or "ugly"......whereas I would be happier playing attacking football where letting in a goal is not an issue because we are creating chances up the other end & likely to come out on top more often than not. 

    It is early days but the league table doesn't lie. There are 3 teams on 13 points but we are 3rd for a reason. So just ask yourself, would you rather win 1-0 every week & end up 3rd or 3-1 and end up top (or even 2-1 as if level on GD the table is based on goals scored and not goals conceded). 




    What I think everyone understands except you is that no team will win every week, whether it is 1-0 or 3-1.

    Everyone else understands that an aim of scoring 3 goals or more per game is for fools, because it won't happen.

    If you're right and everyone else is wrong then please tell me who was the last promoted team from League 1 that scored a minimum of 138 goals. (Good luck with that).

    Everyone would like attacking football, scoring lots of goals and winning all the games.

    Everyone except you realises that this does not and will not happen.

    Wake up, do some research and educate yourself into the fact that no one scores 138 goals per season.

    Apologies for being harsh, but everyone's comments are continually brushed aside.
    I don't doubt your research, agree that no team can score 3 goals every game. Totally agree to all that.

    My point is, and still stands, that Birmingham & Wrexham are above us, not because they have had clean sheet wins, but because when they do concede they manage to score at least 1 more than their opponents. On the 2 times we have conceded this season we have scored just once in reply and that got us a point. 

    If you think my logic is flawed then please explain why we, having kept 4 clean sheets, are not top  ???  We haven't lost more games than Wrexham.

    So. Keeping a clean sheet doesn't nevessaily win you the title. You can keep 46 clean sheets but if you dont score either then 46 0-0's might just keep you up. 


    So you want us to score 3 goals per game, but concede that it is not possible, which really should be the end of the discussion. However ....

    No one says that we will win the league by keeping clean sheets.
    You are again making a false argument.

    Yes 46 0-0's will get you relegated and so would 46 3-3s.

    Nearly everyone is saying that with our limited resources and lack of goal scorers (yes we sold May but that is done and we are dealing with the now) we will more likely be successful if we can keep clean sheets and become very hard to beat.

    Surely you can see that winning 1-0 is much more likely/achievable with our squad, than winning 3-1 or 3-2 every game (not just a few times a season)?

    If you think we can score 138 goals or more then please give us a breakdown of who will score the 138 goals ie Ahadme 30 etc.

    We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6  games.
    Please look at last year's table after 6 games and try and understand that the season is far from over until next May.
    I see that you neatly didnt answer my question. So I'll ask it once again, this time as a 6 year old asking a parent.

    6 year old -  "daddy, we've kept 4 clean sheets and Wrexham 3......and Birmingham none at all. So why are thru both above us if it's all about clean sheets". 

    And what are you whittering on about......

    "We aren't above Wrexham because we've only played 6 games. Please look at last year's table after 6 games blah blah blah...."

    Simply....we aren't above Wrexham and Birmingham because of one simple reason. They have a better goal difference to us. And in case you are hard of hearing, Goal Diference is the difference between the number of goals you scored compared to the number you concede. So, although they haven't kept as many clean sheets as us they have scored more than we have.

    Let's just agree to disagree.
    How often is promotion decided on goal difference and not points?
    From what I can work out it has never been needed to be used for promotion in the football league. A couple of times it's been used to decide between first and second and once for first - third in L2 but they have 3 promotion places anyway
  • What is clear from the above. Come 1st or 2nd in clean sheets, you will get promoted automatically (almost always as second place)  
  • BalladMan said:
    What is clear from the above. Come 1st or 2nd in clean sheets, you will get promoted automatically (almost always as second place)  
    Don't see too many of the promoted teams coming 12th with goals scored though.
  • BalladMan said:
    What is clear from the above. Come 1st or 2nd in clean sheets, you will get promoted automatically (almost always as second place)  
    Don't see too many of the promoted teams coming 12th with goals scored though.
    Don't see many teams promoted after 6 games either. Trust the process!
  • In the EFL Cup, Man U are beating Barnsley 7-0. A somewhat worse result than our one at Old Trafford!
  • Ridiculous shootout between Preston and Fulham 
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  • Ridiculous shootout between Preston and Fulham 
    I think both keepers should get a 3 match ban for being absolutely nowhere near most of the pens!
  • Apologies if this has already been discussed but this gave me another reason to want bad things to happen to Brum

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/videos/ce8vvr55j07o

    their CEO thinks the game should have been played in the States. 

    But it’s Gary Cook. The man who credits himself with signing Tal Ben Haim for Citeh :-) and that’s one of his lesser crimes over the years.
    It'll happen sooner or later. London hosts regular season football, baseball and basketball fixtures of US leagues and many people from the UK happily go to them, so eventually they will say 'you want our money, we want three live games'. 

    Wrexham v Charlton 25 April 2025 live from Met Life Stadium. I'd go. What time is the bus from Larkfield?
  • Apologies if this has already been discussed but this gave me another reason to want bad things to happen to Brum

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/videos/ce8vvr55j07o

    their CEO thinks the game should have been played in the States. 

    But it’s Gary Cook. The man who credits himself with signing Tal Ben Haim for Citeh :-) and that’s one of his lesser crimes over the years.
    It'll happen sooner or later. London hosts regular season football, baseball and basketball fixtures of US leagues and many people from the UK happily go to them, so eventually they will say 'you want our money, we want three live games'. 

    Wrexham v Charlton 25 April 2025 live from Met Life Stadium. I'd go. What time is the bus from Larkfield?
    The American sports thing is a false equivalence though. You support a franchise in America knowing they could move at any point and so there is less grassroots uproar about losing a home game as next year they might upsticks and move to the other end of the country anyway. 
  • RC_CAFC said:
    That was quite scary. They absolutely destroyed them.

    In all honesty. As a Charlton fan, I think it’s a good result. Wrexham have momentum but their team isn’t more than decent. Birmingham however look like they could absolutely smash the league record.
    After the first 15 minutes it was a complete demolition job. Wrexham were lucky not to lose by 4 or 5 . The Hollywood lot should have had a few Oscars as best support act.
  • Lee Gregory as current top scorer in League One with 5 goals in 6 games. I hadn't realised he signed for Mansfield as a free agent in the summer. Be interesting how many goals he manages at 36 years old this season. 
  • I know they won the game in the end but Gass and TC will be licking their lips when they see this. If we press this lot well we might actually score next week

    https://x.com/danieltanner/status/1840030325512040663?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
  • With more than half an hour to go, Stoke are beating Portsmouth 6-1. Tommy Cannon is having a Ball with four goals so far!
  • With more than half an hour to go, Stoke are beating Portsmouth 6-1. Tommy Cannon is having a Ball with four goals so far!

    What a double act !
    Bizarrely Portsmouth women lost 6-1 earlier to West Ham women in the cup.
  • edited October 2
    I hadn't noticed Chem Campbell scored twice for Reading on Tuesday 
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