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  • edited December 1
    Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?

    They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level. 

    Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
    We have eyes and have watched both players. 
    In a 100 years time if a neutral ever looked back and compared both players careers, who do you think they would say was the better player was?

    They’ve played at the same level 3 times at the same time during their careers. 2 of those times Godden vastly outscored May, and the 3rd time in this year where they are currently neck and neck.

    Apart from that Godden has consistently played at a higher level, and yet there goal records are not that dissimilar.

    Wierdly, I have ‘eyes’ to, and think it’s futile even trying to claim who you think is better based off the minutes Godden has played for us.

    So again I find it weird that some people seem so sure in themselves that May is the better player with absolutely no dispute.

    having seen them both play in the recent past, and having evaluated their respective contribution to our teams in the last 12 months, at this moment in time, and in terms of what they bring to the team, May is better than Godden.

    Dixie Dean played at a consistently higher level than them both, but at this moment in time, he’s not as good as either of them.
    ‘Over the last 12 months’. Godden has only effectively been with us 5 months! How about we wait until the end of the season and then we can all compare effectively like for like - instead of people making sweeping statements 18 games into the season.

    And I really don’t think you can compare a player in the 1920’s to one playing today. 
  • I don’t think there’s too much in it , Mays better work rate and busyness is cancelled out by Godden’s better touch and he is a purer player .
    but even if we had prime lionel  Messi and Ronaldo playing for us until we’re out of this pathetic hell of league one groundhog dogshit seasons I’m not pulling the plonker of any of this load of wank that is part of our worst footballing period ever,  all the time our local rivals are having their best periods ffs load of crap 
  • Wait so if we're taking into account team stature, xG, points gained etc. May should have double Godden and Ahadme. 

    So actually May is shite and these 2 are mustard 😎
  • Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?

    They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level. 

    Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
    We have eyes and have watched both players. 
    In a 100 years time if a neutral ever looked back and compared both players careers, who do you think they would say was the better player was?

    They’ve played at the same level 3 times at the same time during their careers. 2 of those times Godden vastly outscored May, and the 3rd time in this year where they are currently neck and neck.

    Apart from that Godden has consistently played at a higher level, and yet there goal records are not that dissimilar.

    Wierdly, I have ‘eyes’ to, and think it’s futile even trying to claim who you think is better based off the minutes Godden has played for us.

    So again I find it weird that some people seem so sure in themselves that May is the better player with absolutely no dispute.

    having seen them both play in the recent past, and having evaluated their respective contribution to our teams in the last 12 months, at this moment in time, and in terms of what they bring to the team, May is better than Godden.

    Dixie Dean played at a consistently higher level than them both, but at this moment in time, he’s not as good as either of them.
    ‘Over the last 12 months’. Godden has only effectively been with us 5 months! How about we wait until the end of the season and then we can all compare effectively like for like - instead of people making sweeping statements 18 games into the season.

    And I really don’t think you can compare a player in the 1920’s to one playing today. 
    Had a chuckle to myself imagining this futuristic dweeb comparing Godden and May's respective goalscoring records in the 2124.

    That said, in a 100 years the tech will have sufficiently advanced so that this future dweeb will be able to afford a 7/10 robot girlfriend.
  • Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?

    They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level. 

    Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
    We have eyes and have watched both players. 
    In a 100 years time if a neutral ever looked back and compared both players careers, who do you think they would say was the better player was?

    They’ve played at the same level 3 times at the same time during their careers. 2 of those times Godden vastly outscored May, and the 3rd time in this year where they are currently neck and neck.

    Apart from that Godden has consistently played at a higher level, and yet there goal records are not that dissimilar.

    Wierdly, I have ‘eyes’ to, and think it’s futile even trying to claim who you think is better based off the minutes Godden has played for us.

    So again I find it weird that some people seem so sure in themselves that May is the better player with absolutely no dispute.

    having seen them both play in the recent past, and having evaluated their respective contribution to our teams in the last 12 months, at this moment in time, and in terms of what they bring to the team, May is better than Godden.

    Dixie Dean played at a consistently higher level than them both, but at this moment in time, he’s not as good as either of them.
    ‘Over the last 12 months’. Godden has only effectively been with us 5 months! How about we wait until the end of the season and then we can all compare effectively like for like - instead of people making sweeping statements 18 games into the season.

    And I really don’t think you can compare a player in the 1920’s to one playing today. 
    You have eyes and yet you're trying to fight the battle on paper using historical data rather than just telling me what about Godden is better than May right now? 

    I'm sure in myself because I've watched both of them play for Charlton against similar opposition and across the pitch May offered more to the team than Godden. 

    This kind of thinking leads to thinking Harry Arter was a better player in 21/22 than George Dobson because Arter had played in the Premier League previously. 
    No, I’m saying historically Godden has had a better career, and when at the same level has done better than May. Or are you distributing that?

    And I am saying that people are making sweeping decision on who they think is ‘better’, like it is absolutely non contest, based off a small snapshot.

    If scouting was so easy as ‘having eyes’, and a strong opinion and some churlish comments online - I’m sure we could all be in the job. 
  • sam3110 said:
    May is faster, presses more and is a cleaner striker of the ball. 

    Godden has better control, is stronger and has better link up play.

    Both have poachers instinct

    There's not a huge amount in it for me
    Personally I dont agree that Godden has better control. I don’t recall May losiing possession due to a loose touch. On the contrary whether he was out wide or marooned up front, he would get hold of a (often poorly played) pass and be able to hold it until a team mate arrived. 
    There was one time a hopeful 60 yard high pass was played vaguely in his direction and he trapped it perfectly, the entire stadium applauded it.

    Godden is not much worse at this but certainly not better. The bigger issue is that for large parts of the game he is simply not showing for the ball in the first place. The other issue is that he is a year older than May. I like him, but he is patently not an upgrade *at this stage in his csreer.*

    @killerjerrylee if you have scored 20 plus goals by March and some new manager comes along and makes it clear he doesnt rate you, then you are off, regardless of what your family says. And of course “off” was initially Huddersfield, not Brum. 
  • sam3110 said:
    May is faster, presses more and is a cleaner striker of the ball. 

    Godden has better control, is stronger and has better link up play.

    Both have poachers instinct

    There's not a huge amount in it for me
    While May is quicker and presses more I would argue that Godden presses more intelligently. Another positive is that he has no qualms about doing dirty work ever. Can’t accuse May of not dropping back to help ever but there were times when he didn’t or was clearly annoyed he had to. 

    Godden is playing with better quality players around him though. Kanu has improved a lot and Ahadme is starting to come into his own. 

    They’re both good strikers and not as similar as some see in my opinion 
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  • Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?

    They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level. 

    Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
    We have eyes and have watched both players. 
    In a 100 years time if a neutral ever looked back and compared both players careers, who do you think they would say was the better player was?

    They’ve played at the same level 3 times at the same time during their careers. 2 of those times Godden vastly outscored May, and the 3rd time in this year where they are currently neck and neck.

    Apart from that Godden has consistently played at a higher level, and yet there goal records are not that dissimilar.

    Wierdly, I have ‘eyes’ to, and think it’s futile even trying to claim who you think is better based off the minutes Godden has played for us.

    So again I find it weird that some people seem so sure in themselves that May is the better player with absolutely no dispute.

    having seen them both play in the recent past, and having evaluated their respective contribution to our teams in the last 12 months, at this moment in time, and in terms of what they bring to the team, May is better than Godden.

    Dixie Dean played at a consistently higher level than them both, but at this moment in time, he’s not as good as either of them.
    ‘Over the last 12 months’. Godden has only effectively been with us 5 months! How about we wait until the end of the season and then we can all compare effectively like for like - instead of people making sweeping statements 18 games into the season.

    And I really don’t think you can compare a player in the 1920’s to one playing today. 
    You have eyes and yet you're trying to fight the battle on paper using historical data rather than just telling me what about Godden is better than May right now? 

    I'm sure in myself because I've watched both of them play for Charlton against similar opposition and across the pitch May offered more to the team than Godden. 

    This kind of thinking leads to thinking Harry Arter was a better player in 21/22 than George Dobson because Arter had played in the Premier League previously. 
    Some less historical data would be that May has 6 goals in 22 games so far this season and Godden has 8 in 18. May has 1 goal in his last 11 league games and 2 in his last 17 in all competitions and one of those was against Fulham's u21s. Godden has 4 league goals in his last 11 league games and 8 in his last 17. So right now what's better about Godden than May is scoring goals. May made a good start but is bang out of form now, which isn't that unusual for him, he does have barren runs, but there's no denying that right now Godden is the one getting goals not May.
  • Well I’ve watched both too and I claim Godden is better.

    What now?

    Usually numbers help in this kind of situation…
    The only result that can happen... MAKRO CAR PARK!!!!!!
  • Why are some posters convinced May is better than Godden?

    They both have a similar goal record, yet Godden has played at a consistently higher level. 

    Whether it was the correct decision to sell May or not, time will tell. But to say that he is a ‘better player than Godden’ when he has indisputably had a ‘lesser career’, and is not out scoring him this year after playing more minutes in a vastly superior team - just does not make sense to me.
    We have eyes and have watched both players. 
    In a 100 years time if a neutral ever looked back and compared both players careers, who do you think they would say was the better player was?

    They’ve played at the same level 3 times at the same time during their careers. 2 of those times Godden vastly outscored May, and the 3rd time in this year where they are currently neck and neck.

    Apart from that Godden has consistently played at a higher level, and yet there goal records are not that dissimilar.

    Wierdly, I have ‘eyes’ to, and think it’s futile even trying to claim who you think is better based off the minutes Godden has played for us.

    So again I find it weird that some people seem so sure in themselves that May is the better player with absolutely no dispute.

    having seen them both play in the recent past, and having evaluated their respective contribution to our teams in the last 12 months, at this moment in time, and in terms of what they bring to the team, May is better than Godden.

    Dixie Dean played at a consistently higher level than them both, but at this moment in time, he’s not as good as either of them.
    ‘Over the last 12 months’. Godden has only effectively been with us 5 months! How about we wait until the end of the season and then we can all compare effectively like for like - instead of people making sweeping statements 18 games into the season.

    And I really don’t think you can compare a player in the 1920’s to one playing today. 
    You have eyes and yet you're trying to fight the battle on paper using historical data rather than just telling me what about Godden is better than May right now? 

    I'm sure in myself because I've watched both of them play for Charlton against similar opposition and across the pitch May offered more to the team than Godden. 

    This kind of thinking leads to thinking Harry Arter was a better player in 21/22 than George Dobson because Arter had played in the Premier League previously. 
    Some less historical data would be that May has 6 goals in 22 games so far this season and Godden has 8 in 18. May has 1 goal in his last 11 league games and 2 in his last 17 in all competitions and one of those was against Fulham's u21s. Godden has 4 league goals in his last 11 league games and 8 in his last 17. So right now what's better about Godden than May is scoring goals. May made a good start but is bang out of form now, which isn't that unusual for him, he does have barren runs, but there's no denying that right now Godden is the one getting goals not May.
    Again talking about paper and data. 

    Watching the two players May is better. 

    Goals scored can be affected by a 100 different things. It's like claiming one goalkeeper is better than another because of clean sheets. 
    Yes, paper and data. Facts as they're known. What's May contributing to Birmingham right now? He's got two assists in that same timeframe so he's not laying loads of goals on for others. Godden has one. May is getting alternated around between playing as a striker, a 10 and sometimes on the wing. He scored plenty of goals for us from 10 and the wing so that wouldn't necessarily make the goals dry up, and he hasn't scored a goal when playing as a striker since August. He's started 6 of the last 8 league games and got hooked in all of them, at half time against us. Your eyes should be telling you that right now May is having a bad season and Godden is having a pretty decent one. Even your argument about 'historical data' doesn't really work because you're comparing the Alfie May of last season to the Godden of this one. Unless you watch a lot of Birmingham City, in which case I'll be fascinated to know what he's currently doing for them that's visibly better than Godden for us?
  • Well I’ve watched both too and I claim Godden is better.

    What now?

    Usually numbers help in this kind of situation…
    You agree to disagree? It happens a fair amount.
  • May hardly getting starts now even in cup matches .. he won’t be next season especially if they go up … Godden a far better all
    round player 
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  • sam3110 said:
    May is faster, presses more and is a cleaner striker of the ball. 

    Godden has better control, is stronger and has better link up play.

    Both have poachers instinct

    There's not a huge amount in it for me
    That’s actually pretty perfect. I’d say may is a slightly better finisher but like you say, hardly anything in it. Not enough to make it matter anyway. 
  • sam3110 said:
    May is faster, presses more and is a cleaner striker of the ball. 

    Godden has better control, is stronger and has better link up play.

    Both have poachers instinct

    There's not a huge amount in it for me
    I would also point out, that Godden is markedly better in the air...

    As in, he has won some headers!
  • May hardly getting starts now even in cup matches .. he won’t be next season especially if they go up … Godden a far better all
    round player 
    Don’t think he’ll be too bothered about not being there next season. He got a big pay rise going, he’ll probably get a big bonus if they go up, along with another pay rise.
  • If I could choose one of them I'd choose May, although there's little in it.

    However if Godden is the better player and was also cheaper.
    How come Birmingham went for May rather than Godden?
  • May hardly getting starts now even in cup matches .. he won’t be next season especially if they go up … Godden a far better all
    round player 
    The bloke who thinks that Coventry is better than Dobson?

    As @Henry Irving has pointed out, you've sealed the argument with your opinion.
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