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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham
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Er yeah, it's still exactly the same; Alfie is a streaky striker. Scored 4 in 4, 2 in 19 and then 5 in 8. Streaky.Steven81 said:
BumpCallumcafc said:
Because exactly what we said would happen is happening? LolSteven81 said:See the blind faith bellends have been shown up again lol
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Give me the consistency of Ahadme’s scoring record over a streaky striker any day 😉32
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One goal for in the league, one against. Perfectly balanced.oohaahmortimer said:Give me the consistency of Ahadme’s scoring record over a streaky striker any day 😉
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Exactly lol I’m not being proved wrong here. I don’t know if people go into a state of psychosis when they read my posts or what the problem is…Garrymanilow said:
Er yeah, it's still exactly the same; Alfie is a streaky striker. Scored 4 in 4, 2 in 19 and then 5 in 8. Streaky.Steven81 said:
BumpCallumcafc said:
Because exactly what we said would happen is happening? LolSteven81 said:See the blind faith bellends have been shown up again lol
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He hasn’t started a game behind Stansfield since 9th November against Northampton… almost two months.Chunes said:They're finally playing him as a striker and he's scored 3 in 2. Think Stansfield is going to get pushed into playing behind. Not bad to kick a £15 million man out of the position.0 -
Is that based on SofaScore? Brum fans have been hailing the fact the manager is finally playing him in his favoured position.Callumcafc said:
He hasn’t started a game behind Stansfield since 9th November against Northampton… almost two months.Chunes said:They're finally playing him as a striker and he's scored 3 in 2. Think Stansfield is going to get pushed into playing behind. Not bad to kick a £15 million man out of the position.1 -
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We swapped him for the “natural goal scorer” Godden.Now renamed “2 touch Godden”, seeing as that’s all he ever has whenever he plays 90 mins.
I said at the time, selling the league’s top scorer to a promotion rival was an huge own goal and NJ’s first big error.27 goals in 23 matches is nowhere near promotion form.12 -
Alfie May is a top striker at this level and his record over the last 4 seasons (3 of them for mediocre teams) is testament to that. Despite not playing that many minutes for Birmingham and some of them not in his best position, he’s still managed 10 goals (and the £12 million man Stanfield takes the penalties, I believe).It’s all in the past now but I don’t think any Charlton supporter can honestly and credibly contend that we are a better side and squad with Ahadme and Godden in place of May.36
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Well it was obvious to the long time supporters, who have been there, seen it, over multiple seasons. Goals are the rarest and most precious commodity.Blucher said:Alfie May is a top striker at this level and his record over the last 4 seasons (3 of them for mediocre teams) is testament to that. Despite not playing that many minutes for Birmingham and some of them not in his best position, he’s still managed 10 goals (and the £12 million man Stanfield takes the penalties, I believe).It’s all in the past now but I don’t think any Charlton supporter can honestly and credibly contend that we are a better side and squad with Ahadme and Godden in place of May.
How Jones can justify it, is beyond me. Ludicrous and he has condemned us to another season in this God forsaken league.14 - Sponsored links:
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Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for14 -
Of course May improves us, but we wouldn’t have gone up playing hoofball with May here instead of Godden and Ahadme either.5
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NO!!! it was header tennis on Sat, hoof ball was the last 3 months.Scoham said:Of course May improves us, but we wouldn’t have gone up playing hoofball with May here instead of Godden and Ahadme either.0 -
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
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No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?2 -
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
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I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.17 -
Has four assists to go with his 10 goals in 23 games aswell not bad.Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?1 -
And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant.
Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified.16 -
Not even being harsh, but anyone with that view was being absolutely ridiculous, and doesn't understand the concept of diamonds in the rough or, right players, wrong club.Chunes said:And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant.
Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified.
There will be players playing 2 levels or even below that could do better than some of the players we have, and some of our players could be playing in better teams. That's football. Look at that Kone, probably one of the best strikers in this league and was playing 8th division or something silly last season?
We currently sit 11th, but have one of the best centre backs, rights backs and potentially, you could add strikers and a midfielder to that too. Flawed logic.
Beyond a terrible argument to say those 2 were part of a failing Charlton problem, when we would be in league2 without them.
They'd both walk into this team still, no questions asked and improve it.11 - Sponsored links:
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As I've said a few times since August.......Chunes said:And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant.
Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified.
Not only did we let our better players leave but we then replaced them with worse ones (in midfield & up front).
The only reason why we aren't in the bottom 6 is because of Mitchell & Jones (and to a lesser degree Ramsay? Edward's & Small). We have have been better defensively this season but to the detriment of our attack.
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I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?0 -
Glad you brought up Godden though. Some of the Godden slander I’ve read is bordering on criminal - although the poor bloke was always going to get it in the neck for being the Alfie replacement.
He’s still averaging less than 200 minutes per goal scored though, so an effective 1 in 2 record. Not bad for someone “well beyond their best before date”…2 -
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?1 -
You did infer at one point that he only scored penalties, then at the start of this thread were talking like he was never going to make it off Birmingham's bench.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?0 -
It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.
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Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy playerBraziliance said:I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
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But he handed in a transfer request he wanted to go the travelling was a non starter to be with his familyThe Red Robin said:It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.5 -
Course he didRonnieMoore said:
But he handed in a transfer request he wanted to go the travelling was a non starter to be with his familyThe Red Robin said:It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.0 -
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.3
