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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham
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RonnieMoore said:
Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy playerBraziliance said:I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
This is my take on him going.May was unhappy because of the way he had been treated by Jones upon his arrival. He knew he wasn’t going to be in his plans. From that point on Alfie did what he needed to do to get his move. Had he been part of the plan, I think he would have still been here.19 -
That’s how I see it too, but the first part is essential. If May had played every minute under Jones (and it’s pretty unfathomable that he didn’t) then I don’t think any of this would have happened and he would likely still be with us this season.guinnessaddick said:RonnieMoore said:
Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy playerBraziliance said:I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
This is my take on him going.May was unhappy because of the way he had been treated by Jones upon his arrival. He knew he wasn’t going to be in his plans. From that point on Alfie did what he needed to do to get his move. Had he been part of the plan, I think he would have still been here.Just like with Dobson where we set the wheels in motion for him to leave by not making him a decent contract offer we are the architects of our own misfortune.5 -
If he did "put in a transfer request" then that was only because Nathan Jones had told him that he wasn't going to be an automatic choice up front in the new season & had pissed him off by being subbed in most games towards the end if the season.RonnieMoore said:
Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy playerBraziliance said:I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
Iirc he was told that he could look for another club if he wasn't happy. I'm 100% certain that May would still be here if a different manager had taken over last Feb.8 -
golfaddick said:
If he did "put in a transfer request" then that was only because Nathan Jones had told him that he wasn't going to be an automatic choice up front in the new season & had pissed him off by being subbed in most games towards the end if the season.RonnieMoore said:
Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy playerBraziliance said:I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close.
Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo.
Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
Iirc he was told that he could look for another club if he wasn't happy. I'm 100% certain that May would still be here if a different manager had taken over last Feb.May has been made to look the guilty party in all this. He probably had to put in a transfer request to get the move sorted.I'd not be surprised if Jones was told on interview there was no money in the pot and he had to sell players to bring players in. He went along with it but got the contract length as some sort of compromise.Surely Jones knows you do not sell your top scorer.2 -
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to the team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.1 -
Godden a better all round player then May.. And he done it at a higher level that May never played.. Godden got 8 goals but is not going toChunes said:
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to be team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.
score sitting in the bench….. if Godden had the chances that Anderson and Leaburn had v Mansfield and Leaburn again on Saturday we would have two wins instead of two draws … that the diff a goalscorer makes .. personally Godden would be first name on the team sheet if you want to win more games
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In season 24/25, Godden is not an all round better player than May.RonnieMoore said:
Godden a better all round player then May.. And he done it at a higher level that May never played.. Godden got 8 goals but is not going toChunes said:
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to be team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.
score sitting in the bench….. if Godden had the chances that Anderson and Leaburn had v Mansfield and Leaburn again on Saturday we would have two wins instead of two draws … that the diff a goalscorer makes .. personally Godden would be first name on the team sheet if you want to win more games
That is self evident to those that have watched both players, and by a comparison of their respective league 1 goals per game ratio at any point in their respective careers (on the basis that this is a key metric in determining the success of a forward).
May has never played at Championship level, but that is irrelevant today - they are both in league 1 and May is the better player, and unfortunately, in the better team.6 -
Alfie May would have been on 50 goals in one game if he played against Reading.
Unfortunately for us, Nathan Jones didn't like Alfie May playing cricket as a hobby, and thought he was a hot shot. The rest is history.
Golden goose replaced by an oversized snail.2 -
Godden’s not a better all round player than Leaburn either. If he was he’d be a regular starter. It’s not a coincidence we’ve improved with TC, Leaburn and Small in the team, adding pace and width to the team, as well as Leaburn’s goals and improved hold up play.3
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Now I definitely know I'm right!RonnieMoore said:
Godden a better all round player then May.. And he done it at a higher level that May never played.. Godden got 8 goals but is not going toChunes said:
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to be team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.
score sitting in the bench….. if Godden had the chances that Anderson and Leaburn had v Mansfield and Leaburn again on Saturday we would have two wins instead of two draws … that the diff a goalscorer makes .. personally Godden would be first name on the team sheet if you want to win more games3 - Sponsored links:
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And yet moneybags Birmingham decided to spend 750k+ (or whatever it was) on May rather than signing the much cheaper Godden.........RonnieMoore said:
Godden a better all round player then May.. And he done it at a higher level that May never played.. Godden got 8 goals but is not going toChunes said:
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to be team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.
score sitting in the bench….. if Godden had the chances that Anderson and Leaburn had v Mansfield and Leaburn again on Saturday we would have two wins instead of two draws … that the diff a goalscorer makes .. personally Godden would be first name on the team sheet if you want to win more games0 -
Makes you wonder doesn't it Ron, why Birmingham didn't go after the services of our deadly duo Godden and Ahadme. Instead they wasted it on a streaky striker.RonnieMoore said:
Godden a better all round player then May.. And he done it at a higher level that May never played.. Godden got 8 goals but is not going toChunes said:
I don't dislike Godden but I think there is a decent gap. Godden only offers goals, May offered a lot of more. The irony is - we were bringing in Godden because he supposedly offered more to be team than May. In reality, outside of the box he offers less.Callumcafc said:
Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.Chunes said:
You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?Callumcafc said:
I did?Chunes said:
I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring.Callumcafc said:
No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.Garrymanilow said:
Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.AFKABartram said:
Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.Chunes said:
Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for
NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.
In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.
We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.
Godden will struggle to fit into this new system and I predict will spend the remainder on the bench (if TC stays fit). Effectively we have swapped a key first team player for a squad player.
score sitting in the bench….. if Godden had the chances that Anderson and Leaburn had v Mansfield and Leaburn again on Saturday we would have two wins instead of two draws … that the diff a goalscorer makes .. personally Godden would be first name on the team sheet if you want to win more games2 -
Godden would score if he plays. Can't score sitting on the bench. Still the top goalscorer even though he's hardly played in our current "unbeaten run".0
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He would, but we’d create less with Godden playing Leaburn’s role. He’s not as quick, good in the air or as strong as Leaburn.golfaddick said:Godden would score if he plays. Can't score sitting on the bench. Still the top goalscorer even though he's hardly played in our current "unbeaten run".1 -
Care to re-asses.Scoham said:
He would, but we’d create less with Godden playing Leaburn’s role. He’s not as quick, good in the air or as strong as Leaburn.golfaddick said:Godden would score if he plays. Can't score sitting on the bench. Still the top goalscorer even though he's hardly played in our current "unbeaten run".0 -
I think the moment Birmingham wanted May he was always going to go. Who can begrudge him the financial element to the move given his age and previous career? He acted professionally but we do need to apply some common sense to the situation.
Godden was a good replacement for May IMO.6 -
Need to move on from May....1
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Sure.golfaddick said:
Care to re-asses.Scoham said:
He would, but we’d create less with Godden playing Leaburn’s role. He’s not as quick, good in the air or as strong as Leaburn.golfaddick said:Godden would score if he plays. Can't score sitting on the bench. Still the top goalscorer even though he's hardly played in our current "unbeaten run".
Godden has 10 goals this season and Leaburn 8, but Godden has 1 assist and Leaburn has 4. Leaburn was coming back from a major injury and missed preseason.
At his best Leaburn is our best striker due to him having a bit of everything to his game, but he doesn’t yet consistently play to that level. That’s not unusual at his age. There will be times when he should be left on the bench, such as last night after some poor and tired performances.Godden’s obviously a natural goalscorer but that team performance wasn’t all down to him, the team are full of confidence and playing better football than they were earlier in the season.
Both have a big part to play and neither should be an automatic first choice. Over time though I see Leaburn showing he’s the better all round player. As long as he doesn’t suffer from injuries he should have a better career than Godden.
If we play like that with Godden starting regularly then he’ll deserve his place, but there will he games sooner than later when Leaburn’s qualities offer us more.
It’s a great problem for Jones to have as both are capable of scoring 15+ over a full season, but we can’t play them together without upsetting the balance of the team.7 -
B'ham hijacked the Huddersfield's deal, so he was going before that.MuttleyCAFC said:I think the moment Birmingham wanted May he was always going to go. Who can begrudge him the financial element to the move given his age and previous career? He acted professionally but we do need to apply some common sense to the situation.
Godden was a good replacement for May IMO.1 - Sponsored links:
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I will give you good in the air and strong but he is as quick as Leaburn who normally looks like he is running in treacleScoham said:
He would, but we’d create less with Godden playing Leaburn’s role. He’s not as quick, good in the air or as strong as Leaburn.golfaddick said:Godden would score if he plays. Can't score sitting on the bench. Still the top goalscorer even though he's hardly played in our current "unbeaten run".0 -
Let’s be honest May was on the way out once Jones came in.guinnessaddick said:
B'ham hijacked the Huddersfield's deal, so he was going before that.MuttleyCAFC said:I think the moment Birmingham wanted May he was always going to go. Who can begrudge him the financial element to the move given his age and previous career? He acted professionally but we do need to apply some common sense to the situation.
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I thought Godden was excellent in the first half last night. Best I’ve seen from him, although I have always said that “i like him”.However he faded second half. Nobody was surprised, it now seems to be accepted that at his age he cannot do full 90s, at least not with impact.
Despite being only a year or so younger, Alfie May was a constant menace from the first to 98th minute. That’s the most important of several reasons why Godden was never a good replacement for May.5 -
We have, we are in Januaryhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Need to move on from May....1 -
Godden is a great finisher.2
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Godden in the first half was just as good as Leaburn in the air, if not better. Look at how high he was jumping and how well he timed headers. Second half he was tired and you could see he wasn't timing them as well, but he's way better in the air than people are giving him credit for6
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I honestly can't recall Godden winning a header tbh, but I'm not sure it matters. He led the line better than he has before. He's looked desperate to get back into the team after being left out, which was the right decision at the time, but it's good to see him more fired up and affecting games. On the other hand, for a senior pro, you'd expect him to be doing that all the time.sam3110 said:Godden in the first half was just as good as Leaburn in the air, if not better. Look at how high he was jumping and how well he timed headers. Second half he was tired and you could see he wasn't timing them as well, but he's way better in the air than people are giving him credit for
In some quarters there seems to be a belief that when we go long, the striker is supposed to head it to one of our players. But that rarely happens at any team, and I'd argue it's not the aim. The striker just has to get something on it or stop the CB from making full contact so we can contest the second ball higher up the pitch.
Leaburn is the same height as Peter Crouch and I've no doubt he'll become a more dominant force in the air. But no young player comes into the team and starts smashing experienced CBs. The youth game is played entirely on the floor, it takes years to pick it up.
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He’s decent in the air for his height, but if we put a high cross in Leaburn is the one you’d want on the end of it. For a low cross you’d want that to be Godden.sam3110 said:Godden in the first half was just as good as Leaburn in the air, if not better. Look at how high he was jumping and how well he timed headers. Second half he was tired and you could see he wasn't timing them as well, but he's way better in the air than people are giving him credit for0 -
Godden played well in the first half (no one needed to really exert themselves in the second half as Bristol Rovers basically gave up). What was really impressive is it felt like the attacking three of Berry, TC and Godden worked well together. The best way I can describe it is that they were very busy, constantly creating space by pulling the Bristol Rovers defensive players out of position. I think it was the most coherent we’ve looked as a team going forwards.Doesn’t mean that we need to play that three for the rest of the season, but gives us options.1
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Alfie May 154 mins per goal
Matt Godden 162 mins per goal4
