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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend another 15-20m in January. Why wouldn't you if you're prepared to invest and can do so without any sanctions?
Already rumours doing the rounds they want Chris Rigg the Sunderland wonder kid for £10-15m.... I think they'll probably go again in Jan for sure.1 -
If he leaves Sunderland it'll surely be to a bigger club, he has some of the top sides in Europe after him. The England U17 captain is never going to sign for Birmingham. Can't fault their ambition though.MarcusH26 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend another 15-20m in January. Why wouldn't you if you're prepared to invest and can do so without any sanctions?
Already rumours doing the rounds they want Chris Rigg the Sunderland wonder kid for £10-15m.... I think they'll probably go again in Jan for sure.2 -
I think its a bit of a Nixon scoop on his patreon as wellChris_from_Sidcup said:
If he leaves Sunderland it'll surely be to a bigger club, he has some of the top sides in Europe after him. The England U17 captain is never going to sign for Birmingham. Can't fault their ambition though.MarcusH26 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend another 15-20m in January. Why wouldn't you if you're prepared to invest and can do so without any sanctions?
Already rumours doing the rounds they want Chris Rigg the Sunderland wonder kid for £10-15m.... I think they'll probably go again in Jan for sure.0 -
ForeverAddickted said:
I think its a bit of a Nixon scoop on his patreon as wellChris_from_Sidcup said:
If he leaves Sunderland it'll surely be to a bigger club, he has some of the top sides in Europe after him. The England U17 captain is never going to sign for Birmingham. Can't fault their ambition though.MarcusH26 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend another 15-20m in January. Why wouldn't you if you're prepared to invest and can do so without any sanctions?
Already rumours doing the rounds they want Chris Rigg the Sunderland wonder kid for £10-15m.... I think they'll probably go again in Jan for sure.
Didn't know the original source was Nixon 😅 , I'll take a huge pinch of salt then on that one. But if that's the type of talent they're targeting....1 -
I was going to post it myself as well as saw it on redditMarcusH26 said:ForeverAddickted said:
I think its a bit of a Nixon scoop on his patreon as wellChris_from_Sidcup said:
If he leaves Sunderland it'll surely be to a bigger club, he has some of the top sides in Europe after him. The England U17 captain is never going to sign for Birmingham. Can't fault their ambition though.MarcusH26 said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:I wouldn't be surprised to see them spend another 15-20m in January. Why wouldn't you if you're prepared to invest and can do so without any sanctions?
Already rumours doing the rounds they want Chris Rigg the Sunderland wonder kid for £10-15m.... I think they'll probably go again in Jan for sure.
Didn't know the original source was Nixon 😅 , I'll take a huge pinch of salt then on that one. But if that's the type of talent they're targeting....
- But then read a few comments about it being Nixon, and saw you'd beaten me to it 0 -
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.0 -
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.2 -
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?3 -
May had a great touch and the ability to get a quick shot off with either foot.....he would also run all day long......sadly missedPragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?9 -
We got a thread on here about hales. Now may is no where near as good as killer but has attributes that are similar. One obvious being able to put the ball in the back of the net. Proven at this level.ct_addick said:
May had a great touch and the ability to get a quick shot off with either foot.....he would also run all day long......sadly missedPragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?5 - Sponsored links:
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AhadmePragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?4 -
Selling a proven goal-scoring striker must be one of the easiest transactions in professional football. Replacing him with someone better is one of the most difficult tasks in professional football, even if you are ready to spend a lot more than you received for the one you sold.
While I wait for someone to answer my previous question, here is another one.
What do we think we have received for May, and how much have we forked out for Ahadme? (Godden was a free, if I recall.) And then what do we think was Alfie's wage here, and what do we think we are paying Ahadme and Godden?
I have a very ominous feeling that the answer isn't favourable for the P&L....7 -
750k for May, wasn't it?PragueAddick said:Selling a proven goal-scoring striker must be one of the easiest transactions in professional football. Replacing him with someone better is one of the most difficult tasks in professional football, even if you are ready to spend a lot more than you received for the one you sold.
While I wait for someone to answer my previous question, here is another one.
What do we think we have received for May, and how much have we forked out for Ahadme? (Godden was a free, if I recall.) And then what do we think was Alfie's wage here, and what do we think we are paying Ahadme and Godden?
I have a very ominous feeling that the answer isn't favourable for the P&L....
Reported 1mil for Ahadme. And I think we're just trying to make ourselves feel better if we don't think a big portion of that wasn't paid up front. I would guess we paid 500k, with the rest add-ons.
We'll likely never know because, whatever the amount, it's not going to look like good business.1 -
The whole thing is you don’t replace May with one player. To roughly quote Moneyball “you replace him in the aggregate”. At the end of the season this should be easy to prove as basically all our goals were scored by one player last year. In terms of goal scoring so far this season it isn’t working but I have faith things will click at some point9
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PragueAddick said:Selling a proven goal-scoring striker must be one of the easiest transactions in professional football. Replacing him with someone better is one of the most difficult tasks in professional football, even if you are ready to spend a lot more than you received for the one you sold.
While I wait for someone to answer my previous question, here is another one.
What do we think we have received for May, and how much have we forked out for Ahadme? (Godden was a free, if I recall.) And then what do we think was Alfie's wage here, and what do we think we are paying Ahadme and Godden?
I have a very ominous feeling that the answer isn't favourable for the P&L....
Undisclosed fee for Godden.0 -
Seen it reported as £775,000 for May, I doubt Ahadme is anywhere near the reported 1m, that is maybe with add ons including promotion, goals etc. Godden undisclosed.PragueAddick said:Selling a proven goal-scoring striker must be one of the easiest transactions in professional football. Replacing him with someone better is one of the most difficult tasks in professional football, even if you are ready to spend a lot more than you received for the one you sold.
While I wait for someone to answer my previous question, here is another one.
What do we think we have received for May, and how much have we forked out for Ahadme? (Godden was a free, if I recall.) And then what do we think was Alfie's wage here, and what do we think we are paying Ahadme and Godden?
I have a very ominous feeling that the answer isn't favourable for the P&L....1 -
Some people ( not Charlton fans) used to say that all Killer did was score goals. If all Alfie May did was score goals it would bring to the team a lot more than the crap strikers that we have ended up with. I think most managers in this division would love what Alfie would bring to their teams & yes maybe this is his level but it's the level we are playing at for at least the next 2 seasons.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.1 -
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.1 -
Played as a 10 for us at times and still scored.....tidy little playercharltonbob said:
Some people ( not Charlton fans) used to say that all Killer did was score goals. If all Alfie May did was score goals it would bring to the team a lot more than the crap strikers that we have ended up with. I think most managers in this division would love what Alfie would bring to their teams & yes maybe this is his level but it's the level we are playing at for at least the next 2 seasons.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.2 -
PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
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I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.4 -
None that play for Charlton Athletic unfortunately.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.1 -
Saw the same on May, believe it was on the SLP website and agree on Ahadme. I noticed Godden was reported as up to £400k here:LargeAddick said:
Seen it reported as £775,000 for May, I doubt Ahadme is anywhere near the reported 1m, that is maybe with add ons including promotion, goals etc. Godden undisclosed.PragueAddick said:Selling a proven goal-scoring striker must be one of the easiest transactions in professional football. Replacing him with someone better is one of the most difficult tasks in professional football, even if you are ready to spend a lot more than you received for the one you sold.
While I wait for someone to answer my previous question, here is another one.
What do we think we have received for May, and how much have we forked out for Ahadme? (Godden was a free, if I recall.) And then what do we think was Alfie's wage here, and what do we think we are paying Ahadme and Godden?
I have a very ominous feeling that the answer isn't favourable for the P&L....
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-transfers-charlton-matty-godden-29463751
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Let's see where we are at the end of the season, as a team and as individual players, before condemning anyone.se9addick said:
None that play for Charlton Athletic unfortunately.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.
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At 15 & 5 Million quid I would hope so.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.4 -
Goalposts moved for the seventh time…charltonbob said:
At 15 & 5 Million quid I would hope so.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.1 -
Is that why our strikers keep missing the target ?Callumcafc said:
Goalposts moved for the seventh time…charltonbob said:
At 15 & 5 Million quid I would hope so.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.8 -
So you're telling us that there are better players who offer goals & have more of an all round game than Alfie & then offer up the names of the 2 most expensive players in the history of the 3rd Division & you claim that the goalposts have moved ? Well you've lost me on that one.Callumcafc said:
Goalposts moved for the seventh time…charltonbob said:
At 15 & 5 Million quid I would hope so.
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.1 -
Nah I reckon it’s your crying that’s putting them off!charltonbob said:
Is that why our strikers keep missing the target ?Callumcafc said:
Goalposts moved for the seventh time…charltonbob said:
At 15 & 5 Million quid I would hope so.Callumcafc said:
I am shocked that that wasn’t understood. It’s like people are arguing two different points that nobody disagrees on.Scoham said:PragueAddick said:
So can you or anyone name a striker currently playing for a League 1 team who has more of these attributes than May, and also is likely to bag 20 goals this season?Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
And as a bonus, on which of those attributes is Ahadme or Godden superior to May?charltonbob said:
Seriously ? We're not playing in the Championship & never will if our manager invests in strikers & midfielders who never look like scoring so Alfie would have been fine.Scoham said:
As good as he is he always looked to me like a player that was unlikely to ever regularly play Championship football.Garrymanilow said:
He would, much like he played every game for us under Jones when Jones had him despite preferences. In the end though they've gone out and got someone else they'd rather play than the bloke who scored 66 goals across his last three L1 seasons. That's what I'm saying, it doesn't seem to matter how many goals may scores, in the end his last two managers have wanted a player who offers them more than he provides. It's interesting, feels like his goals have elevated him to a glass ceiling in terms of his progressionChunes said:
On all available evidence I can't agree that's an accurate description of what has happened to May at Brum.Garrymanilow said:A second consecutive team that has decided his goals don't outweigh the rest of his game.
They brought in another striker, who's similar in style to May, but is far better and who's fee smashed L1 records.
Should Stansfield pick up an injury then May would be playing.
Similar to BWP for us, both poachers more than anything and at that level with the money available clubs want more well rounded strikers. Especially with how common 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 are, he doesn’t really fit either formation unless you convince yourself he’s a good 10 - in terms of goalscoring he is, but he doesn’t stand out when it comes to passing, dribbling and creativity/flair.
To clarify I'm not trying to justify the decision to sell him. I was simply saying I don't believe he'll go on to play regularly in the Championship because he's not suited to being a lone striker and Championship clubs wouldn't sign him to play him in any other position.
To answer Prague’s question directly: there are players in this league that will offer goals in the third tier and more of an all around game than Alfie does.
Their names are Jay Stansfield and Lyndon Dykes.0 -
Oh great putdown ................................if you're 5 years oldCallumcafc said:
Nah I reckon it’s your crying that’s putting them off!charltonbob said:
Is that why our strikers keep missing the target ?Callumcafc said:
Goalposts moved for the seventh time…3
