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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Bloody hell, will still, no wonder he done shit at saints, he was boring everyone to death on sky I’m sure.ForeverAddickted said:
I thought we were talking about Will Still?AberystwythAddick said:
Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your pointForeverAddickted said:
What when Jones had already achieved something?AberystwythAddick said:
Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ?ForeverAddickted said:
The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season?AberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personYes the very same Lincoln manager1 -
No you just try to pick apart the post, focusing in on bits you want to. I gave examples but as expected you focused on the weakest of the 4 examplesForeverAddickted said:
I thought we were talking about Will Still?AberystwythAddick said:
Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your pointForeverAddickted said:
What when Jones had already achieved something?AberystwythAddick said:
Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ?ForeverAddickted said:
The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season?AberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personYes the very same Lincoln manager1 -
Croydon said:If you're only defence of him is that we haven't slipped into the relegation zone yet, surely you know the writings on the wallNo my defence of Jones is as I said on this thread in midweek...If we go down, because we're not good enough for the Championship yet, then we keep Nathan Jones because we know we've got the Manager who can get us back up, it would potentially be a repeat of Curbishley's two seasons in 98/99 and 99/00If we get rid of Jones now, I forsee us hiring someone who scraps the majority of the squad that we've currently put together, we'll go down, and we'll struggle once again back in League One... We'll then end up having this exact same type of conversation in a year, because modern Football teaches me anything, its the fact that Football fans have absolutely zero patience with the Manager... Just look at us, first season back at this level in 5-years, and suddenly we have the "right" to be here, what, just because we're "historically" a Championship club and if the Manager isn't doing well enough, he should go?We're in a position in the Championship where we expected to be, we expected to be fighting every way to survival this season, no team scrapes their way to 50-pts by playing well every week, and end up unfortunate to lose whenever they do. I'm beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday.16
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In the on-line fans meting yesterday, Rodwell was asked the question regarding Nathan's future, and yesterday he said they have no plans to discuss this as the question has never been raised, well, there is certainly a lot of questions being asked today, now I dare say that today's opponents certainly up the anti, but not sure they will do anything other than come out and say that famous phrase "The manager has our full confidence"...yeah right eh...0
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AberystwythAddick said:
No you just try to pick apart the post, focusing in on bits you want to. I gave examples but as expected you focused on the weakest of the 4 examplesForeverAddickted said:
I thought we were talking about Will Still?AberystwythAddick said:
Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your pointForeverAddickted said:
What when Jones had already achieved something?AberystwythAddick said:
Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ?ForeverAddickted said:
The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season?AberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personYes the very same Lincoln managerI focused on Will Still because I thought it was the weakest of your suggestionsFunnily I dont actually have issue with the suggestion of Skubula, Wellens and Challinor (I just dont think they'd swap Lincoln or Stockport for us) which is why I'm not arguing against them... I thought that would be obvious, but you clearly need that spelt out for you?0 -
I'm beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday.
No but I do expect the club to but up a spirited performance against our local rivals, I did not expect us to win but I did expect a spirited performance, not the utter inept rubbish that we witnessed today.3 -
No one thinks we have a right to be here, but what we can see is a poor side that is getting worse week on week and sliding down the table. Any other club in our position would have probably already pulled the trigger, but we can't even think about it because we've given him a 5 year deal.ForeverAddickted said:Croydon said:If you're only defence of him is that we haven't slipped into the relegation zone yet, surely you know the writings on the wallNo my defence of Jones is as I said on this thread in midweek...If we go down, because we're not good enough for the Championship yet, then we keep Nathan Jones because we know we've got the Manager who can get us back up, it would potentially be a repeat of Curbishley's two seasons in 98/99 and 99/00If we get rid of Jones now, I forsee us hiring someone who scraps the majority of the squad that we've currently put together, we'll go down, and we'll struggle once again back in League One... We'll then end up having this exact same type of conversation in a year, because modern Football teaches me anything, its the fact that Football fans have absolutely zero patience with the Manager... Just look at us, first season back at this level in 5-years, and suddenly we have the "right" to be here, what, just because we're "historically" a Championship club and if the Manager isn't doing well enough, he should go?We're in a position in the Championship where we expected to be, we expected to be fighting every way to survival this season, no team scrapes their way to 50-pts by playing well every week, and end up unfortunate to lose whenever they do. I'm beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday.
You obviously see it differently, but I have seen absolutely nothing in the past weeks' performances to suggest we can turn this slump around.4 -
lancashire lad said:I'm beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday.
No but I do expect the club to but up a spirited performance against our local rivals, I did not expect us to win but I did expect a spirited performance, not the utter inept rubbish that we witnessed today.Putting emotion to one side, and Millwall are a team in fourth, and bloody strong at home at the moment4 -
Croydon said:
No one thinks we have a right to be here, but what we can see is a poor side that is getting worse week on week and sliding down the table. Any other club in our position would have probably already pulled the trigger, but we can't even think about it because we've given him a 5 year deal.ForeverAddickted said:Croydon said:If you're only defence of him is that we haven't slipped into the relegation zone yet, surely you know the writings on the wallNo my defence of Jones is as I said on this thread in midweek...If we go down, because we're not good enough for the Championship yet, then we keep Nathan Jones because we know we've got the Manager who can get us back up, it would potentially be a repeat of Curbishley's two seasons in 98/99 and 99/00If we get rid of Jones now, I forsee us hiring someone who scraps the majority of the squad that we've currently put together, we'll go down, and we'll struggle once again back in League One... We'll then end up having this exact same type of conversation in a year, because modern Football teaches me anything, its the fact that Football fans have absolutely zero patience with the Manager... Just look at us, first season back at this level in 5-years, and suddenly we have the "right" to be here, what, just because we're "historically" a Championship club and if the Manager isn't doing well enough, he should go?We're in a position in the Championship where we expected to be, we expected to be fighting every way to survival this season, no team scrapes their way to 50-pts by playing well every week, and end up unfortunate to lose whenever they do. I'm beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday.
You obviously see it differently, but I have seen absolutely nothing in the past weeks' performances to suggest we can turn this slump around.I'm just trying to look at the bigger picture, and beyond these next couple of monthsWe need stability as a Football club, in every department of the Football Club... Its embarrassing that we've gone through so many Managers since Curbs left - If we go down at the end of the season, we go down, but until I hear of a credible name to replace Jones (one actually rumoured), I have to stick with him, because we know that we could go down this year, and we've already got the Manager in place to get us back, because he's been there, and he's done it... The alternative is we get rid of Jones now, hire a complete twat, and end up back in League One for another five years, with another 3-4 Managers.3 -
That’s your opinion though. The other three are all fine examples which are in my opinion achievable. You want NJ in, I don’t think he should stay that’s thatForeverAddickted said:AberystwythAddick said:
No you just try to pick apart the post, focusing in on bits you want to. I gave examples but as expected you focused on the weakest of the 4 examplesForeverAddickted said:
I thought we were talking about Will Still?AberystwythAddick said:
Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your pointForeverAddickted said:
What when Jones had already achieved something?AberystwythAddick said:
Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ?ForeverAddickted said:
The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season?AberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personYes the very same Lincoln managerI focused on Will Still because I thought it was the weakest of your suggestionsFunnily I dont actually have issue with the suggestion of Skubula, Wellens and Challinor (I just dont think they'd swap Lincoln or Stockport for us) which is why I'm not arguing against them... I thought that would be obvious, but you clearly need that spelt out for you?0 -
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We spent 90mins pumping long balls at two CBs who are 6ft4 and 6ft6. They won't get an easier game all season. The three times I remember is getting the ball on the deck and running at them resulted in a TC shot in goal, Carey having a good tackle out in on him and Dykes getting through on goal.
Then at the death, we bring on little Godden and keep banging those balls in the air.
It's pathetic tactics.
On top of that, it seems he has fallen out with Apter and Doc and by the body language of some of them in the pitch today, even from the start, they are not a happy camp.
It's not good, and results/performances are not improving.6 -
AberystwythAddick said:
That’s your opinion though. The other three are all fine examples which are in my opinion achievable. You want NJ in, I don’t think he should stay that’s thatForeverAddickted said:AberystwythAddick said:
No you just try to pick apart the post, focusing in on bits you want to. I gave examples but as expected you focused on the weakest of the 4 examplesForeverAddickted said:
I thought we were talking about Will Still?AberystwythAddick said:
Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your pointForeverAddickted said:
What when Jones had already achieved something?AberystwythAddick said:
Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ?ForeverAddickted said:
The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season?AberystwythAddick said:
Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them…Uboat said:
Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone.AberystwythAddick said:
That’s just not true though…SheedyCAFC said:If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately
again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right personYes the very same Lincoln managerI focused on Will Still because I thought it was the weakest of your suggestionsFunnily I dont actually have issue with the suggestion of Skubula, Wellens and Challinor (I just dont think they'd swap Lincoln or Stockport for us) which is why I'm not arguing against them... I thought that would be obvious, but you clearly need that spelt out for you?If we could get any of those three in I'd have no complaintsMaybe Wellens, is one I'd be cautious about, because of his pre-Orient Managerial historyI'd certainly prefer those over an Erik Ramsay type name0 -
Go get the Bromley manager4
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What a difference 12 months makes!paulsturgess said:
Mate what are you talking about. They’ve been trying to play his way all season and have been absolutely atrocious.Garrymanilow said:
I don't think it's unreasonable to think it would be a disaster if we lost him now. The squad is so very tailored to his way of playing and there's almost no-one else who sets up like he does. If he leaves tomorrow we need to get someone else in and we've already lost more than a week of the transfer window as it is. What do we do? Des Buckingham is unemployed but he often plays with wingers and we've barely got two of those so we'd have to rush out to get some in January while also completely overhauling the squad yet again to push out the big violent runners and bring in more technical players in a window that almost never represents value. Or we get someone in who plays more like Jones despite the fact it wasn't setting the league alight when Jones did it. Losing your manager mid-transfer window when he has a very particular and unusual set of demands for the players he wants is not a good thing. We sacked Appleton in this window last year and that's why we're now watching Jones trying to play with Gillesphey and REG in his squad because Scott and Apples decided we needed ball-playing centre halves. We'd have to decide if we're happy to completely write off this season and start planning the total rebuild in the summer with limited funds or we'd have to accept that for the foreseeable future we're playing aggressive, wingerless percentages football without the manager who has made a career of doing just that his way. I would not be excited about either of those concepts.paulsturgess said:
Mate calm yourself. We’ve managed 4 acceptable performances. And personally I wasn’t impressed by the Cambridge one. The overall picture is still that we’ve had a really poor season, are miles off the plays off in current and projected points, and in league position, and have a squad heavily populated by Jones-recruited duds.NabySarr said:
The question is (and has always been), can we attract a better manager than Nathan Jones? I would say that we probably can’t. Even more so when we’ve started building a team he wants. It would have been a bad decision to sack him before but it would be a disaster to lose him nowBraziliance said:Tricky one, a few weeks ago I'd have loved Luton to come in for him, now, I'm not sure.
Is Jones fortunate that Lloyd Jones and Miles have shown form, and any manager would be getting these results, or, has he changed us tactically.
I think it's somewhere in between, I think he's massively benefited from having our good players available, just like a lot of old Charlton managers would have been.
I am still very confident a different manager wouldn't have overseen so many disappointing performances we witnessed in the last 2-3 months, but it's hard to deny the last 5 or so games have been very decent performances to watch.He is on no more than a 5/10 for this season so far (I would rate lower) , let’s hope he’s about to elevate that drastically and take us flying up the table with this new approach (enforced on him?) - but let’s not pretend he’s the proclaimed second coming.We’re 11th in league one.People are now lauding him for FINALLY abandoning his vile tactics and playing some slightly more possession/ control based football and bringing a couple of positive results/ performances.If there’s one thing this season has shown, it’s that the players we have are not suitable for Jones’ style.0 -
Doing the basics alone Nathan will not be enough to keep us in this league.0
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kinveachyaddick said:Have always been a big Nathan Jones fan and we’re in a helluva better position than when he took over but right now we’re in free fall and the board do have a decision to make.I wouldn’t be outraged if they acted as we still have time to get someone in and steady the ship.But they would have to get the right person.My old man is Os ST holder and says Wellens definitely has the ability to improve players and we know he plays good front foot football
Has a good win ratio tbf which would keep us up comfortably if he sustained it. Still need to stick with Jones though.
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Are people suggesting Challinor or Wellens being serious??1
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I think the question that needs to be asked is does Jones still have the full backing of all the players in current squad. If the answer is Yes then we have to keep him for at least the rest of the season as I don't see any other manager coming in and getting anything out of the players that are here more than what he can3
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The problem is I don’t think he does. They look uninterested and unmotivated out thereCH4RLTON said:I think the question that needs to be asked is does Jones still have the full backing of all the players in current squad. If the answer is Yes then we have to keep him for at least the rest of the season as I don't see any other manager coming in and getting anything out of the players that are here more than what he can1 -
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We are a better team then shit manager negative manager thinks we are.9
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“I’m beginning to think that many of you expected to see us reach 52-pts around March and then we'd go on f**king holiday“What are you talking about? I don’t think anyone demands or expects that. The context of this discussion is 2 wins in 15 and plummeting towards relegation in rampant fashion across many months. If we were fighting for our lives it would be a different conversation - people are concerned because we’re not even doing that. We look utterly pathetic.The only thing we’re all clinging onto now is that we were utterly pathetic and the tide turned last season. For that reason I’m not saying he needs to go but as per last season he needs to give his head a serious fucking wobble9
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The players are completely checked out. That’s the sign they’re done with this manager.3
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I completely agree with this. We’re not magic. But we can be better than this and we have 7 games coming up against not top 4 teamsNicholas said:We are a better team then shit manager negative manager thinks we are.
where we could show that if the coaching, tactics and motivation are right … but to do that … as above.. wobble head
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At the moment we are hoping that 2 teams plus Wednesday are worse than us.This is not a guarantee.If we stay up it will not be on merit, in any normal season we would be at least one position lower.Pure luck will see us survive. But I doubt we have much of that1
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I'm still Jones in, but if he's lost the dressing room there's no coming back from that, and we need to move swiftly if we're to have a chance of survival.The Red Robin said:The players are completely checked out. That’s the sign they’re done with this manager.2 -
Something happened at Wrexham I tell thee!!The Red Robin said:The players are completely checked out. That’s the sign they’re done with this manager.0 -
I said to my pal at half time, if he brings Fullah on and moves TC to wing back, we are getting dicked! Macca and TC are a disaster. This one is on Jones. No idea what was said at half time as within 10 minutes, he made more changes. Clueless and he needs to turn it around ASAP!2
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I think a lot of people are looking past the fact we are in an extremely difficult division with teams light years ahead of us in both championship ability and experience. I am by no means saying the performances since Wrexham have been anything but worrying but I think some of our heads need wobbling as much as NJs does. It was never going to be easy. Everybody can see we need incoming bods and I’m sure NJ and co are aware of it. Unless you spend the money Wrexham and the likes are spending, good players aren’t going to fall at our feet! It is what it is and we are where we are.In terms of people calling for his head, your opinion but I’d like to see you name a manager you would like in who is any more proven and any more experienced at this level. How many managers have got the sack in the championship this season? Some people would say those teams that have bit the bullet are better off. What I’m saying is, who is out there who is good enough to take over?6
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I think there needs to be a clear and definitive showing at Leicester next week to demonstrate that the players are playing for him and he can organise and motivate them, otherwise with the series of games to follow in Feb a serious reflection needs to be had on what is best for us to approach those
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