I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

se9addick

cs1986 said:

Bedsaddick said:

cs1986 said:

We look lost trying to attack. Kaminski has way too many mistakes in him. Jones's tactics are awful. We don't even get shots on goal let alone score. What was it 3 shots today... if you’re defending him still I think you are mad.

Can’t believe you watched that team an it’s Kaminski you single out! 

I turned it off after that flap to give them the first goal. We actually looked ok until then. I'm glad I couldn't make it today because of my injury. I feel for the people that did.

Injury you say? Here’s a contract, you start next Saturday!

se9addick

Bedsaddick said:

NomadicAddick said:

Time to throw the cheque book at Montserrat…

I’d be throwing it at Stockport and looking to bring in Dave Challinor. 

Absolutely no chance he’d come to us!

se9addick

Athletico Charlton said:

ForeverAddickted said:

SELR_addicks said:

ForeverAddickted said:

You know I'm just speechless.. Just speechless at these "sack the Manager" claims having lost to Millwall

Would never have seen this coming in a million years

9 points from the last 14 games. 

Relegation form. 

Yet we still haven't put a foot in the relegation zone... We've just lost to a team fighting for promotion, and on the road

Context needs to be put into place today, but of course it won't because emotions are running high, because its Millwall

We didn't just lose. We were out fought, out played, out muscled and dismantled without a whimper to a team most consider our main rivals.  It was a disgraceful performance and realistically should have been by more. Teams go down without getting utterly pummelled. There are not even many injuries to blame.

That’s the thing, having worse players is going to happen at this level and with our budget. Being outfought and not putting in the required effort? That’s a disgrace. 

I’m not sure if I’m Jones out yet, I don’t think so (mainly because I don’t think we’ll get someone in more likely to keep us up). But I wouldn’t shed any tears if the board decided enough was enough. 

Sword65pf

Whether or not you think NJ stays or goes, today was not good enough and he needs to take a real good look at himself, he’s been down this road before. However anyone defending him today need to be real and admit he got things very, very wrong and doesn’t deserve that defence.

LTKapal

May I ask those calling for Jones head two questions,

A ) Is this team good enough to stay up with another manager? (technically limited)
B ) with the players we have what system realistically can we play other than what we are under the assumption you bring in a new manager? (technically limited)

it seems crazy to me that people cant grasp that in a straight up dogfight, trying to outplay established championship teams, we will go down. You can argue that these players were brought in by Jones and thats his fault till the cows come come but the way I see it, and unfortunate and horrible to watch as it is, I do genuinely believe our only chance of staying up is to play pragmatic horrible football.

This season at least, next season with changes if there is no progress then its a completely different discussion.

Edit: to clarify im not excusing today, unacceptable to be outfought considering thats what we need to do to stay up, to outfight oppositions but the contrast to that is you could argue that millwalls team is very much built in the same style as ours just with more money and better technical players because they havent been langishing in L1 with owners like Bashir Al Fake Bookcase and Thomas Fraudgaard

DamoNorthStand

We won’t become a top Championship side from a pure talent perspective this season because we quite simply aren’t.

If we carry on not bothering to try we will go down.

At the start of the year we were pressing, covering loads of ground, and actually trying to win football matches.

Yes the tactics and subs were wrong but the players need to apologise for what they did out there today. Total and utter disgrace 

BigRedEvil

At least he owned the defeat in his post match. For us we spent alot of money for players who don't even get in the starting line up 

Redvaliant

I can only assume that Chambers is on restricted minutes coming back from a long term injury. Once he went off we lost balance and any threat from TC that he had shown in the first half was nullified. 

cabbles

Time for him to go 

DamoNorthStand

Redvaliant said:

I can only assume that Chambers is on restricted minutes coming back from a long term injury. Once he went off we lost balance and any threat from TC that he had shown in the first half was nullified. 

Liverpool likely said we are only allowed to play him for 45 mins today 

Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch

Sadly, we do look doomed under Jones.

Yes the football is ugly. Yes we got soundly beaten by Millwall. Yes we've been on a bad run for months. Yes we've had a chop and change team, and some odd omissions from starting elevens and matchday squads. In theory those things could be turned around over the coming weeks.. but I'm finding it hard to see where the sudden improvement comes from, or what we're building towards in the longer term.

I want to be optimistic, but I'm struggling.

CH4RLTON

I think one thing Jones has always had in his favour has been that defensive solidity, team spirit, hard to break down ect ect. I think because of this as a fan base we have accepted we dont play pretty football in favour grinding out results. However now we have been found out its hard really to make a case for what is strength is 

shine166

Would love to know the terms of his 5 year deal.

Croydon

If you're only defence of him is that we haven't slipped into the relegation zone yet, surely you know the writings on the wall

carly burn

Some serious serious doubts about his ability at this level now.
That said, in all honesty we need to finish 4th from bottom. It's really that simple and the best we can hope for now.
Do I think someone else could come in and bring us that outcome? I do not.
There's far too much of Jones's baggage to unpack and I don't think we'd be shopping in the stores that have managers capable of doing that in such a short space of time.
Echoes this year of our woes at a similar part of the season last year. He was under the cosh and lots were calling for his head. Much like last year, he was throwing lots of different personnel and formations up in the air in the hope that one would stick. Luckily , with which now looks more by luck than judgement, one did stick ( the 4-4-2/ 5-3-2 hybrid and that largely set us up for the season.)

We have to hope that he finds away to at least get us the points to get that 4th from bottom berth, because I honestly don't think there is anyone else out there that is available and that we could afford that realistically could.
If we do manage to stay up then this ownership will seriously have to look at where we can realistically go with him at the helm.

ElfsborgAddick

We need to stick with Jones, the football is shocking, we're on a very bad run BUT we are still 18th in the table.

All the whilst we can retain this position and we achieve the aim of staying up, which universally can be agreed will be a success, then Jones would have done well.

We have 4 home games from 6 in February and this can define our season.

I am not attaching any blame  here but with the budget Jones was given he clearly stuck with players who he knew and thought he could rely on, plus the seemingly better players from League 1.

If we were to sack him now and the new manager does nothing and we get relegated easily we would then have to get another manager in.

For me, we have to ride this out with Jones and then things need to be reassessed at the end of the season as to how we move forward next season.

I still think Oxford will go down with Wednesday and so we'd be 1 of 5 teams trying to avoid the third spot, the odds are in our favour.

Sword65pf

I think the owners/ board need to decide if they want to be a league 1 club again, if the answer is no then they need to back the manager this week, in truth it’s probably been left too late in the wrong window, I got loled by a couple when I said we needed to be aggressive in the window, we haven’t been as of yet, we’ve been sustainable, I’ve a horrible feeling sustainable is going to have a bad meaning the way things are going. The attitudes of most of the players today set off alarm bells I’m afraid. 

FAVADDICK

I now know why Southampton and stoke both sung that song, because they was right his football is absolutely terrible, so is his recruitment, and so is everything about the club at the moment from top to bottom, big changes needed and they need to done right now !!!

Scoham

That was this seasons equivalent of Crawley at home last season.

He needs to find a way to get better performances and results, if not we’re going down.

I don’t get the impression the players believe in what we’re doing like they did earlier in the season.

He’s switching the starting 11 around every game just like we’ve seen in previously relegated sides.

I get that we shouldn’t try to outplay other sides and in terms of league position and budget we’re where we’d have hoped to be.

However the direction we’re going in is very worrying. We’re so poor on the ball, and no longer pressing and defending like we were earlier in the season, which was keeping us in games.

This won’t be solved by bringing Bree back or trying more different starting 11s. We need a few signings of real quality, or a few players to really step up for the last few months of the season.

At the moment I struggle to see that happening.

RonnieMoore

Nathan Jones will not be sacked .. he won’t be sacked even if we go down he will be given the chance to take us back up .. cause what he done for us outweighs everything .. and don’t think this board will want to undo all the good work by reacting to quickly …so people need to relise  that and support him and the boys ….but he as to ditch some of his favs cause there the ones letting him
down ..

Scoham

RonnieMoore said:

Nathan Jones will not be sacked .. he won’t be sacked even if we go down he will be given the chance to take us back up .. cause what he done for us outweighs everything .. and don’t think this board will want to undo all the good work by reacting to quickly …so people need to relise  that and support him and the boys ….but he as to ditch some of his favs cause there the ones letting him
down ..

TC and Anderson, but definitely not Gillesphey, right?

AberystwythAddick

ForeverAddickted said:

AberystwythAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Uboat said:

AberystwythAddick said:

SheedyCAFC said:

If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately

That’s just not true though… 

again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right person

Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone. 

Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them… 

The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season? 

Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ? 

Yes the very same Lincoln manager 

What when Jones had already achieved something? 

Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your point 

Brownie12

Sword65pf said:

I think the owners/ board need to decide if they want to be a league 1 club again, if the answer is no then they need to back the manager this week, in truth it’s probably been left too late in the wrong window, I got loled by a couple when I said we needed to be aggressive in the window, we haven’t been as of yet, we’ve been sustainable, I’ve a horrible feeling sustainable is going to have a bad meaning the way things are going. The attitudes of most of the players today set off alarm bells I’m afraid. 

Thing is, would you trust him with your money?  Also, January is a horrible window, not much out there unless you over pay. 

Sword65pf

Can I just say, clubs with less budget have been successful before, I think this excuse is wearing thin, less budget doesn’t mean try less. We would never have been in the premier league if that was the case, in fact if it was then you may aswell promote and relegate teams on budget and not play the football.

kinveachyaddick

Have always been a big Nathan Jones fan and we’re in a helluva better position than when he took over but right now we’re in free fall and the board do have a decision to make. 

I wouldn’t be outraged if they acted as we still have time to get someone in and steady the ship. 

But they would have to get the right person. 

My old man is Os ST holder and says Wellens definitely has the ability to improve players and we know he plays good front foot football 

AberystwythAddick

Sword65pf said:

I think the owners/ board need to decide if they want to be a league 1 club again, if the answer is no then they need to back the manager this week, in truth it’s probably been left too late in the wrong window, I got loled by a couple when I said we needed to be aggressive in the window, we haven’t been as of yet, we’ve been sustainable, I’ve a horrible feeling sustainable is going to have a bad meaning the way things are going. The attitudes of most of the players today set off alarm bells I’m afraid. 

They did that in summer and the majority of that window sits on the bench or is injured now 

ForeverAddickted

AberystwythAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

AberystwythAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Uboat said:

AberystwythAddick said:

SheedyCAFC said:

If we sack Nathan Jones the best candidate to appoint him is probably Nathan Jones unfortunately

That’s just not true though… 

again people who are saying who do we replace him with. Thats not our job to find the right person

Sorry, but that’s such a cop out. Presumably you say it because you can’t think of anyone. 

Will still, Michael skubula Richie Wellens Dave challinor. The managers are out there plenty of them… 

The same Will Still who did fucking shocking with Southampton? - The same Skubula who could get Lincoln promoted to the Championship this season? 

Nathan Jones was also shocking at Southampton presumably that’s a mark against him ? 

Yes the very same Lincoln manager 

What when Jones had already achieved something? 

Challinor and Skubala have also achieved lots at their respective clubs whats your point 

I thought we were talking about Will Still?

Sword65pf

AberystwythAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

I think the owners/ board need to decide if they want to be a league 1 club again, if the answer is no then they need to back the manager this week, in truth it’s probably been left too late in the wrong window, I got loled by a couple when I said we needed to be aggressive in the window, we haven’t been as of yet, we’ve been sustainable, I’ve a horrible feeling sustainable is going to have a bad meaning the way things are going. The attitudes of most of the players today set off alarm bells I’m afraid. 

They did that in summer and the majority of that window sits on the bench or is injured now 

I should of emphasised with the right level of player, but thought that was obvious.

Carl_bratton

Tactics, set up, formation and subs have been shocking for weeks. Dug out the fans last week and served up two shocking performances post that, dug out the players in recent weeks and they are serving up shockers week after week.
i agree he doesn’t go but something needs to change, I’d start with Fleming and Hylton. Let’s get someone to actually challenge him in 

fenaddick

AberystwythAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

I think the owners/ board need to decide if they want to be a league 1 club again, if the answer is no then they need to back the manager this week, in truth it’s probably been left too late in the wrong window, I got loled by a couple when I said we needed to be aggressive in the window, we haven’t been as of yet, we’ve been sustainable, I’ve a horrible feeling sustainable is going to have a bad meaning the way things are going. The attitudes of most of the players today set off alarm bells I’m afraid. 

They did that in summer and the majority of that window sits on the bench or is injured now 

They sort of did. You get a £10m bump in TV money for promotion and we spent about £11m on players. Of course the owners could have given him less but there hasn’t been much spent on players that all the other teams don’t also get from Sky