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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,351
    elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

     Agreed - he knew Coady would stabilise and motivate. Maybe our key signing this year, all told? Fans wanted to listen to Wrexham fans instead of trust Jones. 
    Not sure that is fair, there were plenty of valid reasons for scepticism re: Coady - his age, his apparent focus on moving into more media stuff than playing, his lack of game time and our own previous experiences with Gunther and others.

    As it turned out that was actually unfounded but I really don't think it was unreasonable for people to have concerns at the time.
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 469
    elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.
    Agreed - he knew Coady would stabilise and motivate. Maybe our key signing this year, all told? Fans wanted to listen to Wrexham fans instead of trust Jones. 
    Don't discount Dykes. Three goals, three assists. That's 6 goal involvements. Up there with Carey and Kelman.

    In a lot less games...
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,654
    Agree. However,  for me he has grossly underused Fullah and JRC, over played Campbell and seemingly can't motivate the team to start home games on the front foot. 

    Really hoping for 3-4 quality signings in the summer from Chapple rather than NJ 
    Think motivation is a really harsh words there’s only been a handful of games where we’ve really been outfought still think we’re a top side at this level at that side of the game it’s the pure footballing ability where Jones hasn’t figured it out yet 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,993
    Agree. However,  for me he has grossly underused Fullah and JRC, over played Campbell and seemingly can't motivate the team to start home games on the front foot. 

    Really hoping for 3-4 quality signings in the summer from Chapple rather than NJ 
    Think motivation is a really harsh words there’s only been a handful of games where we’ve really been outfought still think we’re a top side at this level at that side of the game it’s the pure footballing ability where Jones hasn’t figured it out yet 
    I think that may be down to individual players quality. No doubts about effort and commitment but that Championship quality is lacking in a number of areas. 
  • Diebythesword
    Diebythesword Posts: 716
    I like all the noises he’s making about the summer, need attacking players who can create chances with that bit of quality and added athleticism. Who those options might be is anyone’s guess, but hopefully we plunder some one like Leicester if they go down as well as maybe some left field signings from the continent like sichenje. 
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 469
    I like all the noises he’s making about the summer, need attacking players who can create chances with that bit of quality and added athleticism. Who those options might be is anyone’s guess, but hopefully we plunder some one like Leicester if they go down as well as maybe some left field signings from the continent like sichenje. 
    The problem is, most of the Leicester players are on Premiership wages. And aren't going to be willing to take massive pay cuts...
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,530
    SteveACS said:
    I like all the noises he’s making about the summer, need attacking players who can create chances with that bit of quality and added athleticism. Who those options might be is anyone’s guess, but hopefully we plunder some one like Leicester if they go down as well as maybe some left field signings from the continent like sichenje. 
    The problem is, most of the Leicester players are on Premiership wages. And aren't going to be willing to take massive pay cuts...
    They'll be in the contracts but the wages will still be huge
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,602
    I think NJ knows if he continues to use the same tactics next season it will more difficult to succeed, or evolve as he says. If he chooses not to change things to a certain extent by a change in profile of player and in style of play, then that’s when he should and will be judged. He has done a fantastic job as it stands and deserves to show us he can evolve also.
  • Kips
    Kips Posts: 711
    Agree. However,  for me he has grossly underused Fullah and JRC, over played Campbell and seemingly can't motivate the team to start home games on the front foot. 

    Really hoping for 3-4 quality signings in the summer from Chapple rather than NJ 
    Think motivation is a really harsh words there’s only been a handful of games where we’ve really been outfought still think we’re a top side at this level at that side of the game it’s the pure footballing ability where Jones hasn’t figured it out yet 
    I think only scoring in the first half in a mere 5 out of 20 home games makes Bolloxbolder's assessment completely fair. And one of the 5 was Southampton when we were 5 nil down at the point that we scored.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,092
    edited April 7
    He has done what he had to do and kept us up despite us having a small budget, compared to others. Yes, we need to improve, but we have a base to do that from. We also have players, especially younger ones, who will be better for the experience. I think the value has to be abroad and hope we are working on that. I was thinking yesterday that a player like Louza, I know there is no chance of getting him, would make a massive difference to us.  A small number of the right players could make a big difference. 

    In terms of British players, We may look at players from relegated clubs who look decent at this level.  I like Mills and Lankshear at Oxford.

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  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,602
    He has done what he had to do and kept us up despite us having a small budget, compared to others. Yes, we need to improve, but we have a base to do that from. We also have players, especially younger ones, who will be better for the experience. I think the value has to be abroad and hope we are working on that. I was thinking yesterday that a player like Louza, I know there is no chance of getting him, would make a massive difference to us.  A small number of the right players could make a big difference. 

    In terms of British players, We may look at players from relegated clubs who look decent at this level.  I like Mills and Lankshear at Oxford.
    Yes agree, my only take is we shouldn’t be hell bent on getting players that have been in a relegated side unless they are without doubt better than what we have, as they are still part of the reason said teams have gone down, just be cautious is my point.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,092
    Sword65pf said:
    He has done what he had to do and kept us up despite us having a small budget, compared to others. Yes, we need to improve, but we have a base to do that from. We also have players, especially younger ones, who will be better for the experience. I think the value has to be abroad and hope we are working on that. I was thinking yesterday that a player like Louza, I know there is no chance of getting him, would make a massive difference to us.  A small number of the right players could make a big difference. 

    In terms of British players, We may look at players from relegated clubs who look decent at this level.  I like Mills and Lankshear at Oxford.
    Yes agree, my only take is we shouldn’t be hell bent on getting players that have been in a relegated side unless they are without doubt better than what we have, as they are still part of the reason said teams have gone down, just be cautious is my point.
    Well it isn't up to me thankfully. But I have confidence Jones knows what he is doing. Some players that are currently in the team need to stay as squad players. 
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 8,198
    I know we were very close to getting Lankshear on loan two years ago.

    10 goals this season. Previous Jones interest. Could happen,  unless we have some European league nugget lined up🙏
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,092
    edited April 7
    Lankshear is young and would probably be a loan too as he is a spurs player. If they went down, they might not loan him but if they stay up, he won't be playing for them. He knows the league and can score goals for a pretty terrible team.
  • elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

    He’s clearly outperformed what you’d expect from a bottom-three budget. In the summer, we struggled to bring in the level of quality we needed because we simply couldn’t compete on wages. That forced us into taking risks on lower-league players, and even then, they were often second or third choices after we’d been beaten to targets financially.

    It seems like there was a calculated approach behind it: if the League One signings didn’t come off, there would be better-value opportunities in the winter window, a second chance to bring in the required quality. That’s pretty much how it played out. Credit where it’s due as well for using Coady in midfield rather than defence; we look far stronger with him there instead of Coventry, and the stats support that.

    I wouldn’t expect a huge shift next season either. Carter has already said the budget is only projected to reach mid-table level in three years, so any increase this coming season will likely be modest.

    For me, the key focus this summer isn’t necessarily strikers or creative midfielders, it’s the wing-back positions. We got that badly wrong last year. We couldn’t find a suitable backup to Edwards, he then got injured, and Apter didn’t work out. If recruitment in those areas is stronger this time around, it could make a significant difference.

  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,092
    I wouldn't write Apter off. He is young with bags of ability.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,602
    Sword65pf said:
    He has done what he had to do and kept us up despite us having a small budget, compared to others. Yes, we need to improve, but we have a base to do that from. We also have players, especially younger ones, who will be better for the experience. I think the value has to be abroad and hope we are working on that. I was thinking yesterday that a player like Louza, I know there is no chance of getting him, would make a massive difference to us.  A small number of the right players could make a big difference. 

    In terms of British players, We may look at players from relegated clubs who look decent at this level.  I like Mills and Lankshear at Oxford.
    Yes agree, my only take is we shouldn’t be hell bent on getting players that have been in a relegated side unless they are without doubt better than what we have, as they are still part of the reason said teams have gone down, just be cautious is my point.
    Well it isn't up to me thankfully. But I have confidence Jones knows what he is doing. Some players that are currently in the team need to stay as squad players. 
    Me neither, very happy to sit back and see what NJ and the club do to try and get better. Enjoying the journey though.👍
  • I wouldn't write Apter off. He is young with bags of ability.
    Certainly not writing Apter off, but NJ needed to act rather than wait for him to come good. He needs to play every week somewhere at least, for now.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,344
    Kips said:
    Agree. However,  for me he has grossly underused Fullah and JRC, over played Campbell and seemingly can't motivate the team to start home games on the front foot. 

    Really hoping for 3-4 quality signings in the summer from Chapple rather than NJ 
    Think motivation is a really harsh words there’s only been a handful of games where we’ve really been outfought still think we’re a top side at this level at that side of the game it’s the pure footballing ability where Jones hasn’t figured it out yet 
    I think only scoring in the first half in a mere 5 out of 20 home games makes Bolloxbolder's assessment completely fair. And one of the 5 was Southampton when we were 5 nil down at the point that we scored.
    That isn’t a lack of motivation though. It’s clearly our game plan to keep games tight and then win them late on. It’s worked pretty well for 2 years
  • elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

    He’s clearly outperformed what you’d expect from a bottom-three budget. In the summer, we struggled to bring in the level of quality we needed because we simply couldn’t compete on wages. That forced us into taking risks on lower-league players, and even then, they were often second or third choices after we’d been beaten to targets financially.

    It seems like there was a calculated approach behind it: if the League One signings didn’t come off, there would be better-value opportunities in the winter window, a second chance to bring in the required quality. That’s pretty much how it played out. Credit where it’s due as well for using Coady in midfield rather than defence; we look far stronger with him there instead of Coventry, and the stats support that.

    I wouldn’t expect a huge shift next season either. Carter has already said the budget is only projected to reach mid-table level in three years, so any increase this coming season will likely be modest.

    For me, the key focus this summer isn’t necessarily strikers or creative midfielders, it’s the wing-back positions. We got that badly wrong last year. We couldn’t find a suitable backup to Edwards, he then got injured, and Apter didn’t work out. If recruitment in those areas is stronger this time around, it could make a significant difference.

    I reckon a lot will depend on what fitness we can get out of Edwards in pre-season and whether we can rely on him.
    Also whether or not we could get Clark on the right or a.n.other of suitable quality to help the attack as well as defend.
    But we will need at least one quality midfielder who can pick a pass and control the ball early. We can't go on with Doc and Cov together.
    Finally, if we could get another year out of Godden we would benefit up front. A couple more serious loanees as well to give us experience.

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  • elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

    He’s clearly outperformed what you’d expect from a bottom-three budget. In the summer, we struggled to bring in the level of quality we needed because we simply couldn’t compete on wages. That forced us into taking risks on lower-league players, and even then, they were often second or third choices after we’d been beaten to targets financially.

    It seems like there was a calculated approach behind it: if the League One signings didn’t come off, there would be better-value opportunities in the winter window, a second chance to bring in the required quality. That’s pretty much how it played out. Credit where it’s due as well for using Coady in midfield rather than defence; we look far stronger with him there instead of Coventry, and the stats support that.

    I wouldn’t expect a huge shift next season either. Carter has already said the budget is only projected to reach mid-table level in three years, so any increase this coming season will likely be modest.

    For me, the key focus this summer isn’t necessarily strikers or creative midfielders, it’s the wing-back positions. We got that badly wrong last year. We couldn’t find a suitable backup to Edwards, he then got injured, and Apter didn’t work out. If recruitment in those areas is stronger this time around, it could make a significant difference.

    I reckon a lot will depend on what fitness we can get out of Edwards in pre-season and whether we can rely on him.
    Also whether or not we could get Clark on the right or a.n.other of suitable quality to help the attack as well as defend.
    But we will need at least one quality midfielder who can pick a pass and control the ball early. We can't go on with Doc and Cov together.
    Finally, if we could get another year out of Godden we would benefit up front. A couple more serious loanees as well to give us experience.
    Agree with an upgrade on Doc and Cov. We’ve looked more in control with Coady there but then his wages are probably double Coventry’s. You get what you pay for (although Wrexham are probably paying a big chunk, that’s not going to happen in a summer window). For the last two seasons, Edwards has been missing for a decent chunk of it and we’ve struggled. People were screaming for  Edwards back up, as if it hadn’t occurred to the management. I’m guessing they were busting a gut to bring someone in but couldn’t find the necessary quality with the wages we could afford.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,344
    elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

    He’s clearly outperformed what you’d expect from a bottom-three budget. In the summer, we struggled to bring in the level of quality we needed because we simply couldn’t compete on wages. That forced us into taking risks on lower-league players, and even then, they were often second or third choices after we’d been beaten to targets financially.

    It seems like there was a calculated approach behind it: if the League One signings didn’t come off, there would be better-value opportunities in the winter window, a second chance to bring in the required quality. That’s pretty much how it played out. Credit where it’s due as well for using Coady in midfield rather than defence; we look far stronger with him there instead of Coventry, and the stats support that.

    I wouldn’t expect a huge shift next season either. Carter has already said the budget is only projected to reach mid-table level in three years, so any increase this coming season will likely be modest.

    For me, the key focus this summer isn’t necessarily strikers or creative midfielders, it’s the wing-back positions. We got that badly wrong last year. We couldn’t find a suitable backup to Edwards, he then got injured, and Apter didn’t work out. If recruitment in those areas is stronger this time around, it could make a significant difference.

    I reckon a lot will depend on what fitness we can get out of Edwards in pre-season and whether we can rely on him.
    Also whether or not we could get Clark on the right or a.n.other of suitable quality to help the attack as well as defend.
    But we will need at least one quality midfielder who can pick a pass and control the ball early. We can't go on with Doc and Cov together.
    Finally, if we could get another year out of Godden we would benefit up front. A couple more serious loanees as well to give us experience.
    Agree with an upgrade on Doc and Cov. We’ve looked more in control with Coady there but then his wages are probably double Coventry’s. You get what you pay for (although Wrexham are probably paying a big chunk, that’s not going to happen in a summer window). For the last two seasons, Edwards has been missing for a decent chunk of it and we’ve struggled. People were screaming for  Edwards back up, as if it hadn’t occurred to the management. I’m guessing they were busting a gut to bring someone in but couldn’t find the necessary quality with the wages we could afford.
    Jones has said we tried to in the summer but couldn’t find one that we liked. I think left sided defenders in general are pretty hard to find, just because there are fewer of them around. It’s why I think there’s a good chance we still have Gillesphey in the squad next season, upgrading that position isn’t easy to do at all 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,903
    We have had many deficiencies this season in terms of our quality, but I have never questioned their motivation (I got criticised slightly for saying this after Milwall and we haven't been beaten on the road since). 

    Jones has done a brilliant job thus far and I hope he can continue to grow us into, ultimately, a team with more quality on the ball that keeps its solidity at the back.

    Hats off in particular to the signings of Dykes and Coady both of whom I was vociferously against 😂

    Re above, I also slightly wish we'd seen Fullah more, but it'd have only taken a couple of set backs for the same morons to suck the life out of him as they seem intent to do with TC. (Yes he has been slightly overplayed but that is because he is the only player when he is on the pitch who we believe will do anything with it).

    One more win and I think we will start seeing the likes of Fullah and even Mwamba given a bit more game time.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,654
    NabySarr said:
    elbiglad said:
    Well, this thread makes for a fun revisit. I hope I'm not being premature but I think it's about time for some to admit that Jones has done an amazing job this year. Most on here said they'd be delighted with fourth from bottom, but I don't think they were prepared for how many losses that would mean. 

    I know football fans are an emotional bunch, but perhaps we can try a more measured approach in future when we go through sticky patches? Our worst run this year came as we lost games to bigger and better teams whilst battling an injury crisis and, obviously, the Millwall game was our rock bottom. The team have battled back, dug in and all but guided us to safety against the odds. This was partly driven by an impressive January transfer window and if you're going to slag Jones off for the Apter/Tanto 'failures', then you have to give him credit for the good signings, too.

    Yes he's made some errors along the way, but over the course of the season Jones has done a fantastic job to guide this squad of players to this position and here's hoping he's backed in the summer and we see further improvements next year.

    He’s clearly outperformed what you’d expect from a bottom-three budget. In the summer, we struggled to bring in the level of quality we needed because we simply couldn’t compete on wages. That forced us into taking risks on lower-league players, and even then, they were often second or third choices after we’d been beaten to targets financially.

    It seems like there was a calculated approach behind it: if the League One signings didn’t come off, there would be better-value opportunities in the winter window, a second chance to bring in the required quality. That’s pretty much how it played out. Credit where it’s due as well for using Coady in midfield rather than defence; we look far stronger with him there instead of Coventry, and the stats support that.

    I wouldn’t expect a huge shift next season either. Carter has already said the budget is only projected to reach mid-table level in three years, so any increase this coming season will likely be modest.

    For me, the key focus this summer isn’t necessarily strikers or creative midfielders, it’s the wing-back positions. We got that badly wrong last year. We couldn’t find a suitable backup to Edwards, he then got injured, and Apter didn’t work out. If recruitment in those areas is stronger this time around, it could make a significant difference.

    I reckon a lot will depend on what fitness we can get out of Edwards in pre-season and whether we can rely on him.
    Also whether or not we could get Clark on the right or a.n.other of suitable quality to help the attack as well as defend.
    But we will need at least one quality midfielder who can pick a pass and control the ball early. We can't go on with Doc and Cov together.
    Finally, if we could get another year out of Godden we would benefit up front. A couple more serious loanees as well to give us experience.
    Agree with an upgrade on Doc and Cov. We’ve looked more in control with Coady there but then his wages are probably double Coventry’s. You get what you pay for (although Wrexham are probably paying a big chunk, that’s not going to happen in a summer window). For the last two seasons, Edwards has been missing for a decent chunk of it and we’ve struggled. People were screaming for  Edwards back up, as if it hadn’t occurred to the management. I’m guessing they were busting a gut to bring someone in but couldn’t find the necessary quality with the wages we could afford.
    Jones has said we tried to in the summer but couldn’t find one that we liked. I think left sided defenders in general are pretty hard to find, just because there are fewer of them around. It’s why I think there’s a good chance we still have Gillesphey in the squad next season, upgrading that position isn’t easy to do at all 
    I think with our low budget for wages I think it would be hard to outcompete teams this year with a limited supply but hopefully with a more developed scouting network and higher wages a LCB and LWB should already have a few options, like the links with that Turkish LWB
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,993
    I know some people get uptight when they hear someone say that The Championship is Charltons natural level but I think it is. We shouldn’t really ever be in League One and now that even in the second tier money is obscene it’s hard to see that we push past only ever flirting with promotion every now and then. Jones is perfect for us and although I don’t see us back in the top flight any time soon I do think he’ll establish us where we belong and give us a few thrills along the way. Just like everyone else my ambition for this season was survival and I think that’s been achieved. For next season it’s a season where we are not looking over our shoulder and establishing ourselves as a mid table side. Everything depends on this summers window though. We need quite a lot of change.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,002
    We definately need to upgrade, assuming we stay up and Jones has said as much but the key difference between last summer and next is that we need evolution not revolution.
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,084
    We don't need revolution, read a lot on here about burning it all down and starting again, but we need pace in the team and a bit of quality in the midfield, that doesn't mean you replace all the first team squad, it's about adding players who can give you that, and build on what we have. It'll look like failure to me if we sign 10 again this summer, when it could be 5 in, and a few out 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,993
    I think it’s worth thinking about players currently at the club and integral to our survival that are unlikely to be around next season. Clarke, Dykes. Coady have all been very important. Hopefully we can do something with them but I doubt all three if any. Replacing / signing those three before we even consider where we need upgrades. I think Henry is right that it’s evolution we’ll see but I do think that we’ll see quite a few more new faces than some think. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 38,664
    Rothko said:
    We don't need revolution, read a lot on here about burning it all down and starting again, but we need pace in the team and a bit of quality in the midfield, that doesn't mean you replace all the first team squad, it's about adding players who can give you that, and build on what we have. It'll look like failure to me if we sign 10 again this summer, when it could be 5 in, and a few out 
    Agree, and we have more depth than this time last year, so this summer might be the time to use the budget on a 4-5 big signings, rather than spreading it more thinly across 8-10 players. We might even boost the budget with a few unexpected sales.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,602
    Some quality midfield signings should be the priority. Then fill in the gaps elsewhere. Midfield is our weakness particularly going forward, I think that’s pretty obvious to everyone however.