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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Choice I put a the time was Lapado or Taylor. Both past it now. But if a clone were possible......Chunes said:
Let me guess... Bring in Lyle Taylor?KingKinsella said:Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.0 -
OK you like abuse rather than reason. Give some reasons. You have a hard case to justify the Apter and Olaofe purchases. The poor purchases have a long term drag on progress eg Terry Taylor only just coming off the books, Fraser etc- different manager yes but that's what poor recruitment does-Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.2 -
A long term drag on progress... We got promoted and stayed up. How much more progress can you ask for? Can't be sacking a successful manager for making a few questionable signings, we might have sacked Curbs for a few of those.KingKinsella said:
OK you like abuse rather than reason. Give some reasons. You have a hard case to justify the Apter and Olaofe purchases. The poor purchases have a long term drag on progress eg Terry Taylor only just coming off the books, Fraser etc- different manager yes but that's what poor recruitment does-Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.10 -
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True, last time I do it, otherwise people need to pay up for moreoohaahmortimer said:Nice for people to read but don’t think it’s fair to quote all the Cawley article if it’s only readable by paying for the subscription.
apologies if it’s a freebie , no idea how it works but I do pay for it and is good value for the many interesting articles it has and I would highly recommend a subscription.
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Lapado lol.KingKinsella said:
Choice I put a the time was Lapado or Taylor. Both past it now. But if a clone were possible......Chunes said:
Let me guess... Bring in Lyle Taylor?KingKinsella said:Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.2 -
I saw in Apter great potential when he played for Blackpool. I wouldn't write the lad off just yet.2
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Because, as others have pointed out, you haven’t considered what other clubs have spent in the years building up to last season. By your reasoning, if Arsenal weren’t to buy anyone in this close season, and we were to spend £10,000 pounds, then we should be more than able to compete with them.KingKinsella said:
OK you like abuse rather than reason. Give some reasons. You have a hard case to justify the Apter and Olaofe purchases. The poor purchases have a long term drag on progress eg Terry Taylor only just coming off the books, Fraser etc- different manager yes but that's what poor recruitment does-9Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
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Would you go to a restaurant that served poor meals 23/23 (=100%)times in 9 months? No. But I have supported this team out of blind loyalty just as you probably have. I have expectations of a decent standard of football that sees well delivered accurate passes that progress up the pitch. Understanding between players where they anticipate their colleagues moves especially in attack. Goals would be nice. 1 per home game is paltry, awful, dull. Don't say I like Garner style stuff- no I want skillful ,pacey,risk taking (in attack) not possession for its own sake, fearful of an error (as under Garner etc) which is like strangulation of the beautiful game(a la Man City).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think it’s attention seeking. I can’t see why anyone believes that.Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
I haven't watched the best goals of the season but as I have said on this site the "best football " was in Bree 's goal , build up and control and skill ( and pace from TC).There were 2 others where there was some interplay Kelman-dykes in the forward areas . So about 1 minutes attacking skill in 46 x 90 mins .Value for money?
NJ has had 2 significantly poor runs of form which less fortunate predecessors have been sacked.
The final 1 win in 7 was not great. Holden went in a run of losing 6 from memory with little consideration for the injuries in the squad. Sacked.Appleton had a prolonged bad run with injuries mainly to strikers (long time ago but I think it Leaburn plus others).
Poor permanent signings-some of the loans were better- but serious money spent already covered in previous comments. From memory only the loss of Edwards was unexpected , others all predictable from previous injury history.
Finally-we stayed up because of points deductions to rival teams.I expect you will agree that "GOALS CHANGE GAMES" well it also true that "POINTS CHANGE TABLES". Leicester won once after the Feb points deductions. Sheff Weds were never in it ( who we failed to beat when we needed to). If we had played in a league with 24 competitive teams we were down.Failure to score goals and failure to win at home -that was the consistency we saw in the crucial run in. If we had been playing under greater pressure (that tests the character in the squad) in the last games the results could have been so different- as we depend on opposition errors and are only rarely able to CONSTRUCT our own chances/goals .
Mametz/Chunes etc these are my reasons why I would like a change in manager. No personal abuse to you, you have your own opinions, but what are they based on?
Do you like the football and is it entertaining ?
If it's a transition-How long is this acceptable?
What evidence is there that NJ can change the style?
etc
Also why was the NJ football style so disliked by Stoke and Southampton fans?
I don't know much about these teams under NJ but my strong suspicion is this is the way NJ sets up his teams to play.
It's his only way he knows.Doesn't matter too much about formation, just everybody defend, just kick the ball away. So this is what we are going to get.Ad infinitum.
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In all fairness mate you like the rest of us don’t really know what the plans are moving forward. In answer to you question did I enjoy the football last season then no not at all but I really don’t see what other option we had. The aim was to stay up and we did without ever going into the relegation zone which with our squad was a hell of an achievement. If in 2 years time we are still playing attritional football and lumping it up to a target man then you have a point but I’m hopeful that we will see improvement this season and steady gains for the next couple of years. If we don’t then next season we could be in trouble as teams undoubtedly worked us out last seasonKingKinsella said:
Would you go to a restaurant that served poor meals 23/23 (=100%)times in 9 months? No. But I have supported this team out of blind loyalty just as you probably have. I have expectations of a decent standard of football that sees well delivered accurate passes that progress up the pitch. Understanding between players where they anticipate their colleagues moves especially in attack. Goals would be nice. 1 per home game is paltry, awful, dull. Don't say I like Garner style stuff- no I want skillful ,pacey,risk taking (in attack) not possession for its own sake, fearful of an error (as under Garner etc) which is like strangulation of the beautiful game(a la Man City).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think it’s attention seeking. I can’t see why anyone believes that.Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
I haven't watched the best goals of the season but as I have said on this site the "best football " was in Bree 's goal , build up and control and skill ( and pace from TC).There were 2 others where there was some interplay Kelman-dykes in the forward areas . So about 1 minutes attacking skill in 46 x 90 mins .Value for money?
NJ has had 2 significantly poor runs of form which less fortunate predecessors have been sacked.
The final 1 win in 7 was not great. Holden went in a run of losing 6 from memory with little consideration for the injuries in the squad. Sacked.Appleton had a prolonged bad run with injuries mainly to strikers (long time ago but I think it Leaburn plus others).
Poor permanent signings-some of the loans were better- but serious money spent already covered in previous comments. From memory only the loss of Edwards was unexpected , others all predictable from previous injury history.
Finally-we stayed up because of points deductions to rival teams.I expect you will agree that "GOALS CHANGE GAMES" well it also true that "POINTS CHANGE TABLES". Leicester won once after the Feb points deductions. Sheff Weds were never in it ( who we failed to beat when we needed to). If we had played in a league with 24 competitive teams we were down.Failure to score goals and failure to win at home -that was the consistency we saw in the crucial run in. If we had been playing under greater pressure (that tests the character in the squad) in the last games the results could have been so different- as we depend on opposition errors and are only rarely able to CONSTRUCT our own chances/goals .
Mametz/Chunes etc these are my reasons why I would like a change in manager. No personal abuse to you, you have your own opinions, but what are they based on?
Do you like the football and is it entertaining ?
If it's a transition-How long is this acceptable?
What evidence is there that NJ can change the style?
etc
Also why was the NJ football style so disliked by Stoke and Southampton fans?
I don't know much about these teams under NJ but my strong suspicion is this is the way NJ sets up his teams to play.
It's his only way he knows.Doesn't matter too much about formation, just everybody defend, just kick the ball away. So this is what we are going to get.Ad infinitum.3 -
We have spent too many seasons in League One in recent years. The last time we went up we went down again. We are a bit ungrateful if we are moaning about staying up given that.19
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The refusal some people have to accept the idea that changing from a relegation threatened L1 team to a Championship side might take longer than two seasons is absolutely mind-boggling. We have to be in the Championship at least and it has to be entertaining while we're there or people say it's not good enough. The thing is, ultimately if the question is are we willing to lose those fans who complain the football isn't exciting enough and they aren't seeing enough goals and getting 'value for money' then the answer is absolutely yes. See ya, watch Star Wars instead or something. There are explosions!MuttleyCAFC said:We have spent too many seasons in League One in recent years. The last time we went up we went down again. We are a bit ungrateful if we are moaning about staying up given that.
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This is just the Hedonic Treadmill. Remember when all we wanted was Roland Out, then we'd be happy. Then all we wanted was an owner who cared about the club. Then all we wanted was to get out of poxy L1. Then all we wanted was to stay out of it. Now all we want is all of the above, plus to watch exciting football. If/when we start doing that, it will be something else.I am delighted we are a Championship club again. I haven't forgotten what League One is like. We have an awful lot going for us at the moment, and I'm going to enjoy the ride.24
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The goal for the season was to stay up. That’s the view of fans, owners, managers, and players. People still coming out saying they want Jones sacked is bizarre.You can’t have already made up your mind of how we will play or perform next season. That’s shortsightedness at its best. I’m struggling to see how any fan doesn’t believe Nathan deserves to start next season as our manager.12
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That is hilarious. Well played.KingKinsella said:
Would you go to a restaurant that served poor meals 23/23 (=100%)times in 9 months? No. But I have supported this team out of blind loyalty just as you probably have. I have expectations of a decent standard of football that sees well delivered accurate passes that progress up the pitch. Understanding between players where they anticipate their colleagues moves especially in attack. Goals would be nice. 1 per home game is paltry, awful, dull. Don't say I like Garner style stuff- no I want skillful ,pacey,risk taking (in attack) not possession for its own sake, fearful of an error (as under Garner etc) which is like strangulation of the beautiful game(a la Man City).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think it’s attention seeking. I can’t see why anyone believes that.Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
I haven't watched the best goals of the season but as I have said on this site the "best football " was in Bree 's goal , build up and control and skill ( and pace from TC).There were 2 others where there was some interplay Kelman-dykes in the forward areas . So about 1 minutes attacking skill in 46 x 90 mins .Value for money?
NJ has had 2 significantly poor runs of form which less fortunate predecessors have been sacked.
The final 1 win in 7 was not great. Holden went in a run of losing 6 from memory with little consideration for the injuries in the squad. Sacked.Appleton had a prolonged bad run with injuries mainly to strikers (long time ago but I think it Leaburn plus others).
Poor permanent signings-some of the loans were better- but serious money spent already covered in previous comments. From memory only the loss of Edwards was unexpected , others all predictable from previous injury history.
Finally-we stayed up because of points deductions to rival teams.I expect you will agree that "GOALS CHANGE GAMES" well it also true that "POINTS CHANGE TABLES". Leicester won once after the Feb points deductions. Sheff Weds were never in it ( who we failed to beat when we needed to). If we had played in a league with 24 competitive teams we were down.Failure to score goals and failure to win at home -that was the consistency we saw in the crucial run in. If we had been playing under greater pressure (that tests the character in the squad) in the last games the results could have been so different- as we depend on opposition errors and are only rarely able to CONSTRUCT our own chances/goals .
Mametz/Chunes etc these are my reasons why I would like a change in manager. No personal abuse to you, you have your own opinions, but what are they based on?
Do you like the football and is it entertaining ?
If it's a transition-How long is this acceptable?
What evidence is there that NJ can change the style?
etc
Also why was the NJ football style so disliked by Stoke and Southampton fans?
I don't know much about these teams under NJ but my strong suspicion is this is the way NJ sets up his teams to play.
It's his only way he knows.Doesn't matter too much about formation, just everybody defend, just kick the ball away. So this is what we are going to get.Ad infinitum.6 -
Then, you have the finest form of censorship in the world.KingKinsella said:
Would you go to a restaurant that served poor meals 23/23 (=100%)times in 9 months? No. But I have supported this team out of blind loyalty just as you probably have. I have expectations of a decent standard of football that sees well delivered accurate passes that progress up the pitch. Understanding between players where they anticipate their colleagues moves especially in attack. Goals would be nice. 1 per home game is paltry, awful, dull. Don't say I like Garner style stuff- no I want skillful ,pacey,risk taking (in attack) not possession for its own sake, fearful of an error (as under Garner etc) which is like strangulation of the beautiful game(a la Man City).ShootersHillGuru said:
I think it’s attention seeking. I can’t see why anyone believes that.Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
I haven't watched the best goals of the season but as I have said on this site the "best football " was in Bree 's goal , build up and control and skill ( and pace from TC).There were 2 others where there was some interplay Kelman-dykes in the forward areas . So about 1 minutes attacking skill in 46 x 90 mins .Value for money?
NJ has had 2 significantly poor runs of form which less fortunate predecessors have been sacked.
The final 1 win in 7 was not great. Holden went in a run of losing 6 from memory with little consideration for the injuries in the squad. Sacked.Appleton had a prolonged bad run with injuries mainly to strikers (long time ago but I think it Leaburn plus others).
Poor permanent signings-some of the loans were better- but serious money spent already covered in previous comments. From memory only the loss of Edwards was unexpected , others all predictable from previous injury history.
Finally-we stayed up because of points deductions to rival teams.I expect you will agree that "GOALS CHANGE GAMES" well it also true that "POINTS CHANGE TABLES". Leicester won once after the Feb points deductions. Sheff Weds were never in it ( who we failed to beat when we needed to). If we had played in a league with 24 competitive teams we were down.Failure to score goals and failure to win at home -that was the consistency we saw in the crucial run in. If we had been playing under greater pressure (that tests the character in the squad) in the last games the results could have been so different- as we depend on opposition errors and are only rarely able to CONSTRUCT our own chances/goals .
Mametz/Chunes etc these are my reasons why I would like a change in manager. No personal abuse to you, you have your own opinions, but what are they based on?
Do you like the football and is it entertaining ?
If it's a transition-How long is this acceptable?
What evidence is there that NJ can change the style?
etc
Also why was the NJ football style so disliked by Stoke and Southampton fans?
I don't know much about these teams under NJ but my strong suspicion is this is the way NJ sets up his teams to play.
It's his only way he knows.Doesn't matter too much about formation, just everybody defend, just kick the ball away. So this is what we are going to get.Ad infinitum.
Don't watch. Go to watch Arsenal.2 -
👍stoneroses19 said:The goal for the season was to stay up. That’s the view of fans, owners, managers, and players. People still coming out saying they want Jones sacked is bizarre.You can’t have already made up your mind of how we will play or perform next season. That’s shortsightedness at its best. I’m struggling to see how any fan doesn’t believe Nathan deserves to start next season as our manager.1 -
Against all the odds Hull just got promoted playing the same tactics as Nathan Jones.8
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Lots of Championship experience in that Hull team without any “stars”. Our season turned once we brought in established Championship players and apart from perhaps one or two overseas wildcards I hope we’re looking at following what Hull did and Jones did in January. There’s eight places up for grabs next season. We get it right in our dealings and there’s no reason why we couldn’t be top ten. Probably not but it’s possible.7
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Perfect postChunes said:This is just the Hedonic Treadmill. Remember when all we wanted was Roland Out, then we'd be happy. Then all we wanted was an owner who cared about the club. Then all we wanted was to get out of poxy L1. Then all we wanted was to stay out of it. Now all we want is all of the above, plus to watch exciting football. If/when we start doing that, it will be something else.I am delighted we are a Championship club again. I haven't forgotten what League One is like. We have an awful lot going for us at the moment, and I'm going to enjoy the ride.2 -
This is absolutely spot on, the levels of expectation are mind boggling. Maybe it’s entitlement.Chunes said:This is just the Hedonic Treadmill. Remember when all we wanted was Roland Out, then we'd be happy. Then all we wanted was an owner who cared about the club. Then all we wanted was to get out of poxy L1. Then all we wanted was to stay out of it. Now all we want is all of the above, plus to watch exciting football. If/when we start doing that, it will be something else.I am delighted we are a Championship club again. I haven't forgotten what League One is like. We have an awful lot going for us at the moment, and I'm going to enjoy the ride.In two seasons we’ve an installed a new ownership and manager who avoided relegation, won the playoffs and then retained Championship status… but it’s not enough because the football wasn’t up to their standards 😂.I’m personally of the view that our recent achievements are because of Nathan Jones, rather than a lucky accident that happened in spite of him.5 -
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