I have no doubt adding some attacking flair into the mix is the next step. But it doesn’t happen overnight if your entire focus was on fixing the defending first.
We are seeing small shoots of it recently. It will only improve further with time. Or at least that’s the theory.
He’s a good manager and he deserves our trust to know what he’s doing.
I have no doubt adding some attacking flair into the mix is the next step. But it doesn’t happen overnight if your entire focus was on fixing the defending first.
We are seeing small shoots of it recently. It will only improve further with time. Or at least that’s the theory.
He’s a good manager and he deserves our trust to know what he’s doing.
He’s shown he will adapt which has been great to see. It’s something Jackson, Garner, Peeters, Luzon and probably others I’m forgetting were reluctant to do and was part of the reason they were sacked.
We’ve played 3-5-2, a box 4-4-2, a diamond 4-4-2 and now gone back to 3-5-2 that shifts to 4-2-3-1 in attack but with a more balanced style rather than a defensive route one.
I wasn’t happy with the football but realised a few games back we were still keeping games tight, it only needed a few tweaks, some better players being fit and at some point there would be games in which we scored first, and in the first half.
We’re now more enjoyable to watch, not just because of the results but during games as we have a team playing decent football. These players looked worse than they are, particularly the midfield, because of the route one style.
This is is my first comment on this post.I don’t think in a month of Sundays we will get a better manager than what we’ve currently got.I think he can get us into the playoffs.
Building from the back is how you build sustainable success. Teams who are successful don't concede too many goals. For years we have conceded too many and have needed a manager who could fix that. Jones started that last season and has done a good job of continuing it this season. The problem was he took it to an extreme and it was to the detriment of all other aspects of our play and a lot of our players.
His post-match comments often gave the impression he was either being belligerent or was just in denial about our playing style. It wasn't a recipe for encouraging fans to keep the faith because the was little hint he was going to change the things we could all see needed changing. I don't think anyone in the fanbase really had an appetite for another managerial change, but the circumstances we were in it just felt like it was building towards another sacking (I fully expected to see him gone after Crawley). Questioning if NJ was still the right man for the job, given where things were 3 games ago, was never an unreasonable position.
Happily, he has made some adjustments, in particular ditching the ultra-long ball style, and it has yielded good results. That has vindicated those who called for more patience. Fair play if you were in that camp, although I would suggest no one predicted the turnaround we have seen to be quite so dramatic. It's a funny old game.
I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager. The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue. Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster. I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
You mean the criticism he was getting from me and others on here about how he signed no wingers and no attacking midfielders, Have been calling that out from the start of the season as it was obvious it was going to bite us on the arse and I was correct. Or me moaning about the terrible football he got the players playing!! It's taking him to the middle of December for him to realise, not good enough in my opinion. Unless we sign some wingers in Jan we are 1 or 2 injuries away from being absolute shit again. Like always whenever I moan about managers, players, owners etc I dont take pride in it and dont get a buzz from it if we lose like a lot of people on here think I may do. I seriously want them to make me eat humble pie and shove it back in my face however so far in all the managers and players I have called out none have been able to shut me because I have always been right
Thing is though, we don't need wingers, we need width. Not signing any wingers is fine as long as the width is coming from somewhere else, which it currently is. TC is pulling wide and running the channels with Edwards pushing into the space that creates in midfield and Small is pushing high up the right as well which is giving the midfield some room to work. We only had left over wingers under Bowyer in 18/19 and he spent all his time trying to convert them into 10s. Marshall and Fosu got played behind the strikers and then moved on asap. It didn't matter though because Lyle Taylor always pulled wide into the channels and pushed defenders about while the full backs pushed high up so the diamond midfield could operate. We could do with another very attacking RWB and an attacking midfielder to work in the space we're currently creating but getting in a load of wingers isn't going to change anything unless they're versatile as they aren't going to play on the wing
The wingers I ask for is to give us an extra way of playing. The team is crying out for pace, and the strikers we have are crying out for service weather it be from crosses from out wide or something through the middle. Marshall and Fosu were an option and did a job when needed. Also it depends what football Jones wants to play, the football played before the last 3 games was seriously horrendous to watch. If he has finally hit the nail on the head with the new way we are playing then we will need more quality by signing obviously another RWB, and better versions of Tyreece Campbell and Luke Berry.
I have no doubt adding some attacking flair into the mix is the next step. But it doesn’t happen overnight if your entire focus was on fixing the defending first.
We are seeing small shoots of it recently. It will only improve further with time. Or at least that’s the theory.
He’s a good manager and he deserves our trust to know what he’s doing.
I think what it comes down to is just how much of the recent improvements are through accident or design. I have said for a long time that he clearly had a plan to make us fitter and more defensively capable to start with, but I also felt that he'd taken a laudable aim too far, at the expense of any attacking flair whatsoever.
Now we have seen what more open and attacking football can do and his plan does look better with that hindsight/knowledge - but the fact that he genuinely did seem to be burning bridges and that his hand was at least partially forced by availability issues means that I still can't help feeling that good fortune is just as much to thank for the turnaround as some sort of 4D Chessmaster management vision.
Either way it's working now, long may it continue and hopefully a good January will see astute movement to continue the recent improvements. But I won't apologise or change my mind for saying that for several months beforehand, the football was atrocious because it really really was. Good results now don't and won't retroactively make some of those prior games any better.
I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager. The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue. Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster. I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
You mean the criticism he was getting from me and others on here about how he signed no wingers and no attacking midfielders, Have been calling that out from the start of the season as it was obvious it was going to bite us on the arse and I was correct. Or me moaning about the terrible football he got the players playing!! It's taking him to the middle of December for him to realise, not good enough in my opinion. Unless we sign some wingers in Jan we are 1 or 2 injuries away from being absolute shit again. Like always whenever I moan about managers, players, owners etc I dont take pride in it and dont get a buzz from it if we lose like a lot of people on here think I may do. I seriously want them to make me eat humble pie and shove it back in my face however so far in all the managers and players I have called out none have been able to shut me because I have always been right
You and Callum are Yin and Yan so perhaps you are the light and dark that forum's attract and need 🤔
For 10+ plus that I've been on CL you always talk in extremes so it was no surprise but TBF to you most of us were discombobulated with the type of football being played which made all our players look worse than they probably are; Some are quite limited ! Why it took NJ 20 games to realize there's some bog standard full backs in the 3rd tier and they need exploiting is a mystery to you and me and most.
Other than ultra positive Callum, everyone on CL was posing questions about the turgid football being dealt other than the games against Bolton and Birmingham before the last 3 games and even Cambridge was mainly dire after the two gifts from the keeper but at least we did attack wider with Campbell pace ( you don't rate him) and Small can have his moments as shown against WW.
We are in agreement that if say Leaburn and Lloyd Jones get injured again, it will be mid table mediocrity for yet another season.
I'm sticking with 7th to 10th as i get too disappointed with my glass half full glass when it spills. I assume your Glass is smashed 🙁
Healthy and happy new year to all and 3 points at Crawley 🤞🏻
As you are probably aware I post pretty much straight after games when I'm still angry, I know I shouldn't but cant help it. The last 10+ years of supporting Charlton have been utterly painful and it feels like we watch the same old shit pretty much on repeat season after season and as each season passes we become that little bit crapper. Every season we get told we are signing all these wonderful players or getting this wonderful new manager in with a wonderful cv and everytime they are duds. So yeah my glass is pretty much smashed to bits. What makes it worse for me is that my boy who is 9 absolutely loves coming and has done for 3 years now, I want him to see some half decent football but it's constant shit, I want him to experience some good atmosphere home or away but that goes with the crap football on show and is awful. How he has the bug for it I have no idea because I have been a miserable prick I will always go home and away it's what I have done my whole life but all I want in return is a club to be proud of not the shit show its been for so long now.
Happy new year to you and all and like you said 3 points at Crawley please.
It's still not great, but if you have a defensive solid base and two quality young players up top you have a chance to win matches.
Happy to see Leaburn and Campbell get a chance to link up. There was a tactical tweak yesterday to get TC out wide where he is exceptional in this division. It makes me wish we got to see it more tbh. Put one on a plate for Berry and made it look easy.
With Campbell and Small we can now get behind teams and Leaburn is starting to get up to speed after a long injury. I think the defence has been ok but this change makes defences far less comfortable which at this level equates to more goals.
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
Wycombe clearly dont have much squad depth as until Kone came on, and perhaps Onyedinma, they looked nothing like a side that had gone 19-games unbeaten
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
Wycombe clearly dont have much squad depth as until Kone came on, and perhaps Onyedinma, they looked nothing like a side that had gone 19-games unbeaten
True but Birmingham also looked dreadful against us and they do have a huge squad
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
Wycombe clearly dont have much squad depth as until Kone came on, and perhaps Onyedinma, they looked nothing like a side that had gone 19-games unbeaten
True but Birmingham also looked dreadful against us and they do have a huge squad
Birmingham used their first team against us though, whilst Kone looked to be a handful when he came on, evidence with the goal
If he'd started, am sure it could have been a different story.
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
L1 is much the same most seasons - I don't think there are many 'terrible' teams and few 'outstanding' ones. The quality is more or less what I expect most seasons - I just want us to be competitive.
Hoping we hit rock bottom with the performances against Crawley and Orient.
Let’s not forget, we’ve just been through a horrendous, prolonged period of shocking form. Sacking Jones looked inevitable, but what concerned me more was the ability of the SMT to choose and attract a decent replacement. Also, their spin that all the recruitment and decisions were down to NJ lacked accountability and ultimately is poor leadership. That is still my major worry going forward, the leaders right at the top of the club are not performing. That and an unbalanced squad, if we lose those few players who give us width we’re back to hoof ball.
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
Wycombe clearly dont have much squad depth as until Kone came on, and perhaps Onyedinma, they looked nothing like a side that had gone 19-games unbeaten
True but Birmingham also looked dreadful against us and they do have a huge squad
almost like Jones’ defensive set up nullified both teams and made them look average
To be fair, I’ve stayed off of this thread, a lot, I had 1.1k unread posts.
I knew it wouldn’t be good for my head, and could be considered to be an out and out pile on, which I could do with out.
But whether you still think NJ is the right bloke for the job or not, we have still had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season, still.. some really unfortunate.
I still don’t think the squad depth has a serious amount of quality to maintain a serious promotion push, and I hope we get a few more decent quality players in, in January.
Im trying to not get stressed about Charlton, it’s important, but not the be all, and end all in life, just give the bloke time to sort stuff out.
You're right in that we don't have enough depth and quality but do many other teams? It's a pretty terrible league aside from a handful of teams. We've been awful to watch for about 80% of the season so far and we're in with a play off shout.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
Wycombe clearly dont have much squad depth as until Kone came on, and perhaps Onyedinma, they looked nothing like a side that had gone 19-games unbeaten
True but Birmingham also looked dreadful against us and they do have a huge squad
almost like Jones’ defensive set up nullified both teams and made them look average
Yeh fair play to him it did, good on him, same way it nullified us and made us look worse than average against some of the worst teams in the league 🙈
I don't think many were seriously calling for him to go. And that's mainly because there was not a lot out there to replace him. And as others have said, we can't keep chopping and changing managers.
I did start to think the players weren't buying into his ethos and that is always the death knell for any manager. The pleasing thing is these past few games show they are 100% behind him. And long may it continue. Onwards and upwards
If you read the Vitriol from Nicholas before the 3 game winning run, Nathan Jones must've drowned his puppies, burnt his table tennis table and shagged his...
My criticism was playing the 3 central strikers together for two matches which was a disaster. I think NJ had a lightbulb moment and we really did start to get players in wider positions more. Both Campbell and Small have gone past defenders in recent matches out wider !
Like many I predicted 7th to 10th back in early August and we need to be more consistent than just 3 matches but if we can keep important players fit then we may at least go close to the play offs.
You mean the criticism he was getting from me and others on here about how he signed no wingers and no attacking midfielders, Have been calling that out from the start of the season as it was obvious it was going to bite us on the arse and I was correct. Or me moaning about the terrible football he got the players playing!! It's taking him to the middle of December for him to realise, not good enough in my opinion. Unless we sign some wingers in Jan we are 1 or 2 injuries away from being absolute shit again. Like always whenever I moan about managers, players, owners etc I dont take pride in it and dont get a buzz from it if we lose like a lot of people on here think I may do. I seriously want them to make me eat humble pie and shove it back in my face however so far in all the managers and players I have called out none have been able to shut me because I have always been right
You and Callum are Yin and Yan so perhaps you are the light and dark that forum's attract and need 🤔
For 10+ plus that I've been on CL you always talk in extremes so it was no surprise but TBF to you most of us were discombobulated with the type of football being played which made all our players look worse than they probably are; Some are quite limited ! Why it took NJ 20 games to realize there's some bog standard full backs in the 3rd tier and they need exploiting is a mystery to you and me and most.
Other than ultra positive Callum, everyone on CL was posing questions about the turgid football being dealt other than the games against Bolton and Birmingham before the last 3 games and even Cambridge was mainly dire after the two gifts from the keeper but at least we did attack wider with Campbell pace ( you don't rate him) and Small can have his moments as shown against WW.
We are in agreement that if say Leaburn and Lloyd Jones get injured again, it will be mid table mediocrity for yet another season.
I'm sticking with 7th to 10th as i get too disappointed with my glass half full glass when it spills. I assume your Glass is smashed 🙁
Healthy and happy new year to all and 3 points at Crawley 🤞🏻
As you are probably aware I post pretty much straight after games when I'm still angry, I know I shouldn't but cant help it. The last 10+ years of supporting Charlton have been utterly painful and it feels like we watch the same old shit pretty much on repeat season after season and as each season passes we become that little bit crapper. Every season we get told we are signing all these wonderful players or getting this wonderful new manager in with a wonderful cv and everytime they are duds. So yeah my glass is pretty much smashed to bits. What makes it worse for me is that my boy who is 9 absolutely loves coming and has done for 3 years now, I want him to see some half decent football but it's constant shit, I want him to experience some good atmosphere home or away but that goes with the crap football on show and is awful. How he has the bug for it I have no idea because I have been a miserable prick I will always go home and away it's what I have done my whole life but all I want in return is a club to be proud of not the shit show its been for so long now.
Happy new year to you and all and like you said 3 points at Crawley please.
I really hope we can improve for you and your son, Nicholas(and all Addicks) as the last 5 seasons have been a really low period compared to the turn of this century when we were an ambitious club with decent home crowds in the Premier.
You wear your heart on your sleeve but I understand your passion and respect your response to my post. Can Charlton Athletic give more joy and less angst in '25' as we all need a lift.
Nathan Jones has to own the way we played and hopefully the way we started to play with a better shape over the last few games and using the width in a pro active way. A couple of strong players added and no Leaburn, Lloyd Jones etc leaving would give us all a boost in January with still half a season to go.
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We are seeing small shoots of it recently. It will only improve further with time. Or at least that’s the theory.
He’s a good manager and he deserves our trust to know what he’s doing.
We’ve played 3-5-2, a box 4-4-2, a diamond 4-4-2 and now gone back to 3-5-2 that shifts to 4-2-3-1 in attack but with a more balanced style rather than a defensive route one.
I wasn’t happy with the football but realised a few games back we were still keeping games tight, it only needed a few tweaks, some better players being fit and at some point there would be games in which we scored first, and in the first half.
We’re now more enjoyable to watch, not just because of the results but during games as we have a team playing decent football. These players looked worse than they are, particularly the midfield, because of the route one style.
Wingers are vilified for lack of end product, but you only need one moment of brilliance to create a goal. Both have it in their lockers.
His post-match comments often gave the impression he was either being belligerent or was just in denial about our playing style. It wasn't a recipe for encouraging fans to keep the faith because the was little hint he was going to change the things we could all see needed changing. I don't think anyone in the fanbase really had an appetite for another managerial change, but the circumstances we were in it just felt like it was building towards another sacking (I fully expected to see him gone after Crawley). Questioning if NJ was still the right man for the job, given where things were 3 games ago, was never an unreasonable position.
Happily, he has made some adjustments, in particular ditching the ultra-long ball style, and it has yielded good results. That has vindicated those who called for more patience. Fair play if you were in that camp, although I would suggest no one predicted the turnaround we have seen to be quite so dramatic. It's a funny old game.
Now we have seen what more open and attacking football can do and his plan does look better with that hindsight/knowledge - but the fact that he genuinely did seem to be burning bridges and that his hand was at least partially forced by availability issues means that I still can't help feeling that good fortune is just as much to thank for the turnaround as some sort of 4D Chessmaster management vision.
Either way it's working now, long may it continue and hopefully a good January will see astute movement to continue the recent improvements. But I won't apologise or change my mind for saying that for several months beforehand, the football was atrocious because it really really was. Good results now don't and won't retroactively make some of those prior games any better.
Happy new year to you and all and like you said 3 points at Crawley please.
Happy to see Leaburn and Campbell get a chance to link up. There was a tactical tweak yesterday to get TC out wide where he is exceptional in this division. It makes me wish we got to see it more tbh. Put one on a plate for Berry and made it look easy.
Stockport and Reading currently occupy 5th and 6th and i wouldn't say their squads have any serious quality. Reading i think are also under a transfer embargo as well.
If he'd started, am sure it could have been a different story.
Hoping we hit rock bottom with the performances against Crawley and Orient.
I really hope we can improve for you and your son, Nicholas(and all Addicks) as the last 5 seasons have been a really low period compared to the turn of this century when we were an ambitious club with decent home crowds in the Premier.
You wear your heart on your sleeve but I understand your passion and respect your response to my post.
Can Charlton Athletic give more joy and less angst in '25' as we all need a lift.
Nathan Jones has to own the way we played and hopefully the way we started to play with a better shape over the last few games and using the width in a pro active way.
A couple of strong players added and no Leaburn, Lloyd Jones etc leaving would give us all a boost in January with still half a season to go.