Who was our No 3 ? For the last disallowed goal he gave the player who scored 5 yards of space to run into & fire home. He should have been aware of where "his" player was - he didnt look over his shoulder to check where he was or anticipate where the ball was going to go.
Seen better marking on Blackheath on a Sunday morning.
Who was our No 3 ? For the last disallowed goal he gave the player who scored 5 yards of space to run into & fire home. He should have been aware of where "his" player was - he didnt look over his shoulder to check where he was or anticipate where the ball was going to go.
Seen better marking on Blackheath on a Sunday morning.
Everyone moaned (i include myself in that) Southgate was too cautious and defensive. Carsley goes the other way, picks a very attacking lineup and we lose. Maybe Southgate was right to be so cautious.
However i think it's pretty clear we need a balance. So many things were wrong last night, it felt like Carsley underestimated Greece and thought by just picking loads of attacking players we'd overrun them.
Playing a false 9 when you have Watkins on the bench, just so you can squeeze in all your 'big name' attacking midfielders. Playing Bellingham, Foden and Palmer who all want to occupy the same space. If you're going to pick so many attacking players then you can't also play Trent and Rico Lewis. It basically meant we had 8 players who wanted to get forward. That will be fine if you're playing San Marino or Gibraltar, but Greece are no mugs, as they showed. Midfield very light, with no help for Rice. Gomes was good last game, then he's bombed out. We also had Gallagher on the bench who would've helped the balance.
Got home from work just in time to see Pickford having a mare. Robbed in possession, saved by the defender, flapping at crosses, saved by the lino. Could have been a Saturday at the Valley last season. More skill on show but no idea how to unpick Greece, and when we did, back they came. Awful all over the pitch. Southgate looked lumbering at times, but that was next level bad. The manager will need a real change if he wants the gig full time.
Only way Carsley is going to have a hope of getting the job now is we win the last 3 group games. Finland are terrible and lost at home to Ireland last night, and our last game is at home to Ireland who are also terrible.
So he will now have to go to Greece next month in the penultimate game and win, which of course is possible. If he doesn't then he surely can't get the job.
The balance of the team was all wrong. Trying to shoehorn certain players into the side reminded me of all the times England manager's tried to play Lampard and Gerrard together. It doesn't work.
Got home from work just in time to see Pickford having a mare. Robbed in possession, saved by the defender, flapping at crosses, saved by the lino. Could have been a Saturday at the Valley last season. More skill on show but no idea how to unpick Greece, and when we did, back they came. Awful all over the pitch. Southgate looked lumbering at times, but that was next level bad. The manager will need a real change if he wants the gig full time.
Do I imagine it or does Pickford getting stranded miles off his line and, normally, needing to be bailed out by a defender happen a lot?
PWR. Just caught the second half on ITV+1. I thought we looked a shambles. That would never have happened under Southgate.
You never watched England 0 Hungary 4 ? 95 minutes of the Slovakia match when we were so negative under Gareth Southgate ?
Carsley took a gamble by playing the 4 best English midfielders together including Palmer who scored 4 Premier goals in a 1st half recently. Foden, Player of the year, Rice established 1st choice and Bellingham, Goal scoring Real Madrid super star and the man who stopped the decent man that is Southgate coming home to pelters after the Slovakia match in Euro's.
The gamble failed as very talented football fantasy players don't make a cohesive side. Being hit in transition happened for the whole match even when we had two central strikers on the pitch.
Trent Alexander-Arnold is an enigma, and can create magic with the ball at his feet. Being given a free role to turn up on the left wing, midfield or wherever and his laid back cavalier approach was exposed by a motivated Greek side playing with passion and sorrow and deserved their victory.
Lewis is a talented player who like TAA had a difficult night defending. Pickford set the tone with a skittish performance when he started playing rush keeper !
Harry Kane, other than the proud Nation of Greece, was the biggest winner on the night.
I mean we have a set of players and a squad that on paper is on a par with any in world football.
Being managed by Lee Carsley.
ahem.
We've said that for years with England. Maybe a lot of players aren't as good as made out to be.
I don't buy this at all. 7 of last nights starting lineup play for Man City, Arsenal, Real Madrid and Liverpool.
Most people would agree that City and Madrid are the best 2 teams in the world. Arsenal and Liverpool would probably be in the top 7-8. Usually we also have Kane who is one of the best centre forwards in the world, playing for one of Europe's top sides.
Then you add Palmer to that, who is currently one of the best players in the Premier league.
The issue isn't the quality of the players because you don't play for those clubs if you are not an elite player.
You can see Carsley is just a Interim till the end of the Nations League. Does well, give him the job. If he fails then we can always hire someone else.
I feel a bit for Carsley. He can't really win - either he leaves out players everyone thinks should start for England (not least themselves), or we get this kind of disjointed mess. He simply needs to make tough decisions
I feel a bit for Carsley. He can't really win - either he leaves out players everyone thinks should start for England (not least themselves), or we get this kind of disjointed mess. He simply needs to make tough decisions
So he has to, be a manager? Zero sympathy for me, we need a real manager, with real experience, unfortunately I have no idea who that is who’d actually be interested. Hopefully this is just keeping the seat warm for Howe.
An example of why managers should ignore fans moaning about performance of the team. He does what they want and loads the team with people's favourite players the so called talented ones and it is a fiasco. Maybe we Charlton fans should get of Jones back
I feel a bit for Carsley. He can't really win - either he leaves out players everyone thinks should start for England (not least themselves), or we get this kind of disjointed mess. He simply needs to make tough decisions
FFS he is the manager, he should manage and not listen to what other say do or moan, we need a winning team in the hands of somebody strong, not I’m afraid of what the players or fans might think type whimp.
In his post match interview Carsley said that the formation they'd spent 20 minutes in training working on. It showed, as nobody had any idea what they were meant to be doing.
time to give another keeper a run .. Pickford's antics surely unsettle an already nervous looking defence, his gesturing and posing are totally unnecessary, he's been an 'untouchable fixture' in the team for too long .. the issue of course is, which of the keepers in waiting should get a chance ? .. for me it's Henderson, though he is playing in a weak team .. when Guéhi is back at least there should be more cohesion in defence
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Just caught the second half on ITV+1. I thought we looked a shambles.
That would never have happened under Southgate.
Seen better marking on Blackheath on a Sunday morning.
The English media say so, so it must be true.
However i think it's pretty clear we need a balance. So many things were wrong last night, it felt like Carsley underestimated Greece and thought by just picking loads of attacking players we'd overrun them.
Playing a false 9 when you have Watkins on the bench, just so you can squeeze in all your 'big name' attacking midfielders.
Playing Bellingham, Foden and Palmer who all want to occupy the same space.
If you're going to pick so many attacking players then you can't also play Trent and Rico Lewis. It basically meant we had 8 players who wanted to get forward. That will be fine if you're playing San Marino or Gibraltar, but Greece are no mugs, as they showed.
Midfield very light, with no help for Rice. Gomes was good last game, then he's bombed out. We also had Gallagher on the bench who would've helped the balance.
Could have been a Saturday at the Valley last season. More skill on show but no idea how to unpick Greece, and when we did, back they came.
Awful all over the pitch. Southgate looked lumbering at times, but that was next level bad. The manager will need a real change if he wants the gig full time.
So he will now have to go to Greece next month in the penultimate game and win, which of course is possible. If he doesn't then he surely can't get the job.
Trying to shoehorn certain players into the side reminded me of all the times England manager's tried to play Lampard and Gerrard together.
It doesn't work.
You never watched England 0 Hungary 4 ?
95 minutes of the Slovakia match when we were so negative under Gareth Southgate ?
Carsley took a gamble by playing the 4 best English midfielders together including Palmer who scored 4 Premier goals in a 1st half recently. Foden, Player of the year, Rice established 1st choice and Bellingham, Goal scoring Real Madrid super star and the man who stopped the decent man that is Southgate coming home to pelters after the Slovakia match in Euro's.
The gamble failed as very talented football fantasy players don't make a cohesive side. Being hit in transition happened for the whole match even when we had two central strikers on the pitch.
Trent Alexander-Arnold is an enigma, and can create magic with the ball at his feet. Being given a free role to turn up on the left wing, midfield or wherever and his laid back cavalier approach was exposed by a motivated Greek side playing with passion and sorrow and deserved their victory.
Lewis is a talented player who like TAA had a difficult night defending. Pickford set the tone with a skittish performance when he started playing rush keeper !
Harry Kane, other than the proud Nation of Greece, was the biggest winner on the night.
Most people would agree that City and Madrid are the best 2 teams in the world. Arsenal and Liverpool would probably be in the top 7-8. Usually we also have Kane who is one of the best centre forwards in the world, playing for one of Europe's top sides.
Then you add Palmer to that, who is currently one of the best players in the Premier league.
The issue isn't the quality of the players because you don't play for those clubs if you are not an elite player.
He does what they want and loads the team with people's favourite players the so called talented ones and it is a fiasco.
Maybe we Charlton fans should get of Jones back