Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Didn’t see that coming! (Nor saying you’re wrong necessarily, but haven’t seen evidence of that sort of talent as yet.)
4 players OOC in the summer, only 1 of them feasible to keep (Small) I fully expect us to finish there or thereabouts this season, and if we fall short there squad needs 3 or 4 very good additions to push on
If by some miracle we got promoted, we'd need 12-14 signings
NEW GK, AMB/Mannion Ramsay, NEW RWB NEW RCB, Mitchell Jones, Mitchell NEW LCB, NEW LCB NEW LWB, Edwards Coventry, NEW DM NEW CM, Docherty NEW CM, Anderson NEW AM, Berry NEW ST, Leaburn NEW ST, Godden NEW WR, Campbell NEW WR, Small
One of the keepers, Watson, Gillesphey and Ahadme would all need to go completely, and even then I think there's a serious question mark over everyone left in the squad if they are truly good enough for the step up.
As you can see only Ramsay, Coventry and Jones I've listed as the "first choice" in their positions. That also gives a squad of 28 which is huge, so I'd expect a couple of signings to cover multiple positions, and maybe instead of upgrading certain places we rely on, for instance, Small, to be a starter, or even someone like Berry or Docherty
Get promoted, and the new signings will raise the game of some of those borderline players - same as Gallagher did when on loan with us.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Don’t think he’ll ever be good enough technically for that level
I think at least one of Leaburn, Small and TC will play premier league. First 2 more likely than TC though
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's Scotland capped whilst he's with us. Robertson seems to be getting more injury prone and Tierney is made of glass.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Bolder prediction: I’m not even sure he’ll be a Championship one.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Bolder prediction: I’m not even sure he’ll be a Championship one.
Realistic prediction: I’m sure Edwards will at least be a solid Championship player. If Morgan Fox can do it, Edwards definitely can too.
4 players OOC in the summer, only 1 of them feasible to keep (Small) I fully expect us to finish there or thereabouts this season, and if we fall short there squad needs 3 or 4 very good additions to push on
If by some miracle we got promoted, we'd need 12-14 signings
NEW GK, AMB/Mannion Ramsay, NEW RWB NEW RCB, Mitchell Jones, Mitchell NEW LCB, NEW LCB NEW LWB, Edwards Coventry, NEW DM NEW CM, Docherty NEW CM, Anderson NEW AM, Berry NEW ST, Leaburn NEW ST, Godden NEW WR, Campbell NEW WR, Small
One of the keepers, Watson, Gillesphey and Ahadme would all need to go completely, and even then I think there's a serious question mark over everyone left in the squad if they are truly good enough for the step up.
As you can see only Ramsay, Coventry and Jones I've listed as the "first choice" in their positions. That also gives a squad of 28 which is huge, so I'd expect a couple of signings to cover multiple positions, and maybe instead of upgrading certain places we rely on, for instance, Small, to be a starter, or even someone like Berry or Docherty
If we only have 3 who could start in the Championship we’re not getting promoted. But I guess that’s why you called it a miracle.
I don’t think we’re quite as far off as that, Small, Edwards and TC can also play big parts in a team who get promoted. Hopefully Gilbert and McIntyre have the impact we need them to have too.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Bolder prediction: I’m not even sure he’ll be a Championship one.
Realistic prediction: I’m sure Edwards will at least be a solid Championship player. If Morgan Fox can do it, Edwards definitely can too.
Left footed players are always in high demand , hence Fox having a tier 2 career , Gillesphey having a career .
At least part of the issue if indeed it is an issue with this window was that Jones wasn’t pressing the owners for reinforcements. He wanted the squad reduced in size and got rid of players he knew he wasn’t going to use but on the whole was content with what he had left. I think Gilbert being the exception, in a role that even the doziest of fans could see we’re were in need of. I’m sadly confident that we’ll lose Small in the summer and he’ll definitely be hard to replace. Just like every summer we’ll need to rebuild in order to go for it next season but how many times have we all said that.
I agree with your post but I'm not sure I'd call the summer another 'rebuild'. The only players out of contract in the summer are:
Tennai Watson Chuks Aneke Thierry Small Aaron Henry
It would be nice to be more like a normal club and not need 10+ signings every summer.
Summer will imho still require a fairly significant recruitment. I’d suggest a replacement for Small if he goes which I expect. Competition for Gilesphey, replace Aneke, replace Watson and get in a GK. That’s without anyone being sold. I’d like to think a striker would come in. I’d say that quite a rebuild.
Well ideally McIntyre does well enough to convert into a permanent so you're only talking 3 (I think 4 as Leaburn could go) signings, that's pretty quiet for most L1 clubs. If we go up I wouldn't be surprised to see Leaburn and Small stay so then that would be 2 plus a couple of places where we might need an upgrade
If we go up we will need to upgrade a lot more than just a couple. 5 or 6 minimum.
Possibly but those upgrades are upgrades we need anyway, LCB, GK and ST. I think Doc and Coventry are solid enough as a midfield base to build on, Small, Edwards & Ramsay are probably good enough to play in the Championship and Jones definitely is. I think we'd actually be replacing the same players regardless of what league we're in, we'd just have different targets
Ramsay and Small are championship level footballers . Jury out on the rest .
At least part of the issue if indeed it is an issue with this window was that Jones wasn’t pressing the owners for reinforcements. He wanted the squad reduced in size and got rid of players he knew he wasn’t going to use but on the whole was content with what he had left. I think Gilbert being the exception, in a role that even the doziest of fans could see we’re were in need of. I’m sadly confident that we’ll lose Small in the summer and he’ll definitely be hard to replace. Just like every summer we’ll need to rebuild in order to go for it next season but how many times have we all said that.
I agree with your post but I'm not sure I'd call the summer another 'rebuild'. The only players out of contract in the summer are:
Tennai Watson Chuks Aneke Thierry Small Aaron Henry
It would be nice to be more like a normal club and not need 10+ signings every summer.
Summer will imho still require a fairly significant recruitment. I’d suggest a replacement for Small if he goes which I expect. Competition for Gilesphey, replace Aneke, replace Watson and get in a GK. That’s without anyone being sold. I’d like to think a striker would come in. I’d say that quite a rebuild.
Well ideally McIntyre does well enough to convert into a permanent so you're only talking 3 (I think 4 as Leaburn could go) signings, that's pretty quiet for most L1 clubs. If we go up I wouldn't be surprised to see Leaburn and Small stay so then that would be 2 plus a couple of places where we might need an upgrade
If we go up we will need to upgrade a lot more than just a couple. 5 or 6 minimum.
Possibly but those upgrades are upgrades we need anyway, LCB, GK and ST. I think Doc and Coventry are solid enough as a midfield base to build on, Small, Edwards & Ramsay are probably good enough to play in the Championship and Jones definitely is. I think we'd actually be replacing the same players regardless of what league we're in, we'd just have different targets
Ramsay and Small are championship level footballers . Jury out on the rest .
Small? Jury's out good going forward
Improving! Gone from crossing over everyone and smashing every shot over the bar to having a look up, picking out players on a cut back and cutting in and varying his shot attempts, low / far post / near post etc. he’s also doing it on the opposite of his natural side.
Young, improving consistently, needs to play regularly to continue that development.
I can’t remember anyone saying we were going for top 2 this season , in fact the target was to see an improvement on last season and I think we already hit that ? That’s why we were told when Jones took over he was the manager to oversee the 4 year plan ,,,,, in that time they wanted to build a squad not only to get promotion but to stay in the championship comfortably, and we are not there yet .. it would be a disaster to go up and come straight back down.
We had two windows and most likey need another one to finish getting a squad together , we still have players like Aneke that need to be moved on before we can seriously start building that squad .
Said many times you’re not going to undo 10/15 years of assist stripping and poor management in 12 months , as well as building a structure to work from.
You’re forgetting the fact that you consistently praised every one of those owners that we’ve had in that 10/15 year period.
You were even saying on the other forum that supporters should start chanting for Nimer, Farnell & Southall to show appreciation to them for saving the club.
Only RD who had a great idea that would have worked if it had not been for EFL not having the balls to implement their own rules
I can’t remember anyone saying we were going for top 2 this season , in fact the target was to see an improvement on last season and I think we already hit that ? That’s why we were told when Jones took over he was the manager to oversee the 4 year plan ,,,,, in that time they wanted to build a squad not only to get promotion but to stay in the championship comfortably, and we are not there yet .. it would be a disaster to go up and come straight back down.
We had two windows and most likey need another one to finish getting a squad together , we still have players like Aneke that need to be moved on before we can seriously start building that squad .
Said many times you’re not going to undo 10/15 years of assist stripping and poor management in 12 months , as well as building a structure to work from.
You’re forgetting the fact that you consistently praised every one of those owners that we’ve had in that 10/15 year period.
You were even saying on the other forum that supporters should start chanting for Nimer, Farnell & Southall to show appreciation to them for saving the club.
Only RD who had a great idea that would have worked if it had not been for EFL not having the balls to implement their own rules
You could have implemented any rule for the EFL but it would still never have worked for us with RD, for starters he would have hired cheap, incompetent coaches to manage the 1st team
Do we think NJ will have plans to play either of the 2 new lads on Saturday ? I suspect an unchanged side but both to come on after 70 mins
Reckon they're both in with a chance of starting, keeping Gillesphey in the 11 after his howler which costed us 2 points and being in the play off spots would be a mistake for me and I think Berry needs a rest.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Imagine what the LOLs would have looked like if you'd said that about Simon Francis at the time. Or Neil Etheridge. Or Alfie Doughty and Tom Lockyer right after we'd been relegated to the third tier. Who had Semi Ajayi down as a Premier League player, or Nick Pope playing for England back when he was getting pelters on here after an error? Mason Burstow has more Premier League appearances than most of our best players at this level and above over the years will ever have. It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't rule out any young player in this squad one day playing in the Premier League because sometimes all they have to do is be in the right squad at the right time and be just good enough to not be worth spending the money on replacing immediately.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Don’t think he’ll ever be good enough technically for that level
I think at least one of Leaburn, Small and TC will play premier league. First 2 more likely than TC though
Do we think NJ will have plans to play either of the 2 new lads on Saturday ? I suspect an unchanged side but both to come on after 70 mins
Reckon they're both in with a chance of starting, keeping Gillesphey in the 11 after his howler which costed us 2 points and being in the play off spots would be a mistake for me and I think Berry needs a rest.
Not sure it would be wise for squad harmony to bring in two new recruits, and young ones at that, for two seasoned pros who’ve got us to joint 6th. He’ll stick to the same 11 with AG and TM on the bench, IMO.
Anybody thinking we have 6 championship level starters are crazy. Ramsey and jones maybe. Coventry, TC, Edward’s as reserves, maybe. Leaburn is being dominated by shrewsbury center halves. Maybe one day but not currently
Bold prediction: I think Josh Edwards is a Premier League footballer in the next 2-3 years.
Imagine what the LOLs would have looked like if you'd said that about Simon Francis at the time. Or Neil Etheridge. Or Alfie Doughty and Tom Lockyer right after we'd been relegated to the third tier. Who had Semi Ajayi down as a Premier League player, or Nick Pope playing for England back when he was getting pelters on here after an error? Mason Burstow has more Premier League appearances than most of our best players at this level and above over the years will ever have. It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't rule out any young player in this squad one day playing in the Premier League because sometimes all they have to do is be in the right squad at the right time and be just good enough to not be worth spending the money on replacing immediately.
Agree with this, Garry. Players always look better when the standard of their team mates improves. I was saying the same about players in a team that gets promoted. Some that you think won't be good enough suddenly are, when they have a Gallagher alongside them. It's really hard to predict how young players will turn out. I don't think many of us rated Burstow as highly as Kanu, for example. Alfie Doughty was rated though, mainly becuase of his electric pace.
Do we think NJ will have plans to play either of the 2 new lads on Saturday ? I suspect an unchanged side but both to come on after 70 mins
Reckon they're both in with a chance of starting, keeping Gillesphey in the 11 after his howler which costed us 2 points and being in the play off spots would be a mistake for me and I think Berry needs a rest.
Not sure it would be wise for squad harmony to bring in two new recruits, and young ones at that, for two seasoned pros who’ve got us to joint 6th. He’ll stick to the same 11 with AG and TM on the bench, IMO.
Personally think MG wouldn't be surprised to be dropped after his mistake which meant we're 7th instead of 6th, the same happened to Mitchell. Competition is a good thing imo, which I'm sure the squad would agree with. With Berry I suppose he's had a week to rest but reckon he'll be subbed for Gilbert in the second half at least.
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(Nor saying you’re wrong necessarily, but haven’t seen evidence of that sort of talent as yet.)
Selfishly hoping for a good Spanish draw for our first taste.
I think at least one of Leaburn, Small and TC will play premier league. First 2 more likely than TC though
Wouldn't be surprised if he's Scotland capped whilst he's with us. Robertson seems to be getting more injury prone and Tierney is made of glass.
I don’t think we’re quite as far off as that, Small, Edwards and TC can also play big parts in a team who get promoted. Hopefully Gilbert and McIntyre have the impact we need them to have too.
He'll have Leaburn in his pocket mate.
HashtagSMALL
(I genuinely dont know how to do a hashtag on a Spanish keybaord)
The big question is are they fit?
He’ll stick to the same 11 with AG and TM on the bench, IMO.
It's really hard to predict how young players will turn out. I don't think many of us rated Burstow as highly as Kanu, for example. Alfie Doughty was rated though, mainly becuase of his electric pace.