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January Transfer Window (rumours + actuals)
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Oxford being 19th was a blip after years of being up there, so a lot easier to recover. Us being 16th was years of mismanagement and decline, not so easy to turn around as we have seenBraziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.5 -
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.
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No I don't, it just looks like you've made a point you can't back up so have shoehorned another team in. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the size and potential of the club doesn't mean we should be in the top 6 consistently or better. The problem is that each club does not exist in a vacuum which is part of what makes it so interesting and addictive. Sometimes a club goes on a crazy unexpected run, Stevenage last year and Leyton Orient this year and often big clubs underperform (usually us!). When your club has nosedived off the pitch it takes time to turn it around again even if you have more money as you're not starting from the same base levelBraziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.7 -
An owners wealth has little to do with a clubs success though, it's how engaged the owner is with the club and how much he/they are prepared to invest.Braziliance said:
Allegedly, our owners have more money than Huddersfields owners as far as Google shows, unless I'm missing something.I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:For anyone who was thinking we were going to compete for Joe Taylor... Huddersfield are paying over £3m (obviously includes add ons etc).
Do parachute payments count in league1? I.e., can you drastically outspend other league1 sides because you have a bit of a safety net from relegation?
Cause if that isnt the case, there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to spend that kind of fee on a player, if our owners have the money alleged. A couple of million for people who 'love a club' and want to see success is chump change when you have that kind of wealth.
The Glazer's at United are a perfect example. They are incredibly rich, but don't like or want to invest any of their own money. One of the richest clubs in the world and yet they have a ton of debt that has only continued to increase for 20 years because of their loan repayments. Compare them to how well run Brentford and Brighton are, both owned by fans of the team but not anywhere near as rich as the Glazer's.
QPR are owned by Lakshmi Mittal who is a multi-billionaire but they continually battle relegation in the championship.9 -
This thread reminds me of the words of the song windmills of my mind by Noel Harrison.It just keeps spinning around with the same discussions repeated over again. Why do I bother coming back to it each day? Should wait until it’s on the official site.7
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Chunes said:
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.MartinCAFC said:
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.Weegie Addick said:And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Doesnt it?
We brought in 5 players on transfer fees in the summer, lets be generous with some of those figures:
Ahadme 300K
Godden 200K
Mitchell 200k
Edwards 85K (a reported figure from Scotland)
Dixon 50K
Thats 835K before adding in Docherty and Mannion's signing on fees as well as any potential loan fee for Campbell.*
And seeing as theres a desperation for Ahadme to have actually cost us 800K up front then theres even less left, like, none.
And if Godden and Mitchell cost us 100K each then at most theres 500K left from the May money, but thats being generous and not including wages.
* And of course the unforgettable Potts and Hylton (I believe an itk was on here saying the delay around Potts coming in was because he had some high wage expectations)
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Back up what? Your post is nit picking bollocks. You know what I am trying to get across, that a team can climb drastically from one season to the next if they actually have the right people making right calls. We haven't had that for a while.fenaddick said:
No I don't, it just looks like you've made a point you can't back up so have shoehorned another team in. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the size and potential of the club doesn't mean we should be in the top 6 consistently or better. The problem is that each club does not exist in a vacuum which is part of what makes it so interesting and addictive. Sometimes a club goes on a crazy unexpected run, Stevenage last year and Leyton Orient this year and often big clubs underperform (usually us!). When your club has nosedived off the pitch it takes time to turn it around again even if you have more money as you're not starting from the same base levelBraziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.
I'm sorry but I really don't give a fuck, I'm only replying for the sake of replying now. I've had a ramble on a thread, and you've quoted it with an air of pretentiousness. "Did you really just say 10th is lower midtable?!" Jesus wept. Talk about missing the actual point.
I'd rather just leave it there. Completely clogging a thread over a ramble, if you really want to talk to me, PMs are open, I have twitter etc, cause I genuinely can't be fucked with these forum spats. There's replying to someone for a genuine interaction, and then there's goading.
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Sorry if you thought I was goading you, I was just trying to have a genuine discussion about a post you made on a public forum. I do know what you're trying to get across I just disagree and that's fine! But if you don't want disagreement publicly then don't post publicly. For what it's worth I know you do want discussion in general and that's great, sometimes me and you agree and sometimes we don't. That's the point of public forum. But on this point we won't agree so yes lets leave it there.Braziliance said:
Back up what? Your post is nit picking bollocks. You know what I am trying to get across, that a team can climb drastically from one season to the next if they actually have the right people making right calls. We haven't had that for a while.fenaddick said:
No I don't, it just looks like you've made a point you can't back up so have shoehorned another team in. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the size and potential of the club doesn't mean we should be in the top 6 consistently or better. The problem is that each club does not exist in a vacuum which is part of what makes it so interesting and addictive. Sometimes a club goes on a crazy unexpected run, Stevenage last year and Leyton Orient this year and often big clubs underperform (usually us!). When your club has nosedived off the pitch it takes time to turn it around again even if you have more money as you're not starting from the same base levelBraziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.
I'm sorry but I really don't give a fuck, I'm only replying for the sake of replying now. I've had a ramble on a thread, and you've quoted it with an air of pretentiousness. "Did you really just say 10th is lower midtable?!" Jesus wept. Talk about missing the actual point.
I'd rather just leave it there. Completely clogging a thread over a ramble, if you really want to talk to me, PMs are open, I have twitter etc, cause I genuinely can't be fucked with these forum spats. There's replying to someone for a genuine interaction, and then there's goading.2 -
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism6 -
lol, I don’t think you need worry, I doubt our current owners will be spending a total of £3m over the next 3 transfer windowsfenaddick said:Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg4 -
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46 pages and still little in the way of actual rumours. Once again the same discussions getting rehashed and off we go in another huge circle. Is there any chance we can keep it to rumours, incoming or outgoing? Just asking.13
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Not a chanceRedmidland said:46 pages and still little in the way of actual rumours. Once again the same discussions getting rehashed and off we go in another huge circle. Is there any chance we can keep it to rumours, incoming or outgoing? Just asking.9 -
This isn't the window to get invested in this thread12
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Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection0
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Sounds like some of weird music album!cafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection
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His real name is (Ari)bim Pepplethenewbie said:
Sounds like some of weird music album!cafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection
Can't add anything more productive sorry.0 -
Going to chesterfield I thinkcafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection0 -
Lets wait to see how this pans out.cafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection0 -
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Let’s wait to see how this pans out.cafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection0 -
Southend should be fine, they've still got the 'prolific' Bonne to save them.......cafcsinger said:Bim People, has been recalled by Luton from Southend. Has been there best player this season - wonder if we might look at a loan deal for him with the Luton connection1 -
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fenaddick said:
Sorry if you thought I was goading you, I was just trying to have a genuine discussion about a post you made on a public forum. I do know what you're trying to get across I just disagree and that's fine! But if you don't want disagreement publicly then don't post publicly. For what it's worth I know you do want discussion in general and that's great, sometimes me and you agree and sometimes we don't. That's the point of public forum. But on this point we won't agree so yes lets leave it there.Braziliance said:
Back up what? Your post is nit picking bollocks. You know what I am trying to get across, that a team can climb drastically from one season to the next if they actually have the right people making right calls. We haven't had that for a while.fenaddick said:
No I don't, it just looks like you've made a point you can't back up so have shoehorned another team in. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the size and potential of the club doesn't mean we should be in the top 6 consistently or better. The problem is that each club does not exist in a vacuum which is part of what makes it so interesting and addictive. Sometimes a club goes on a crazy unexpected run, Stevenage last year and Leyton Orient this year and often big clubs underperform (usually us!). When your club has nosedived off the pitch it takes time to turn it around again even if you have more money as you're not starting from the same base levelBraziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.
I'm sorry but I really don't give a fuck, I'm only replying for the sake of replying now. I've had a ramble on a thread, and you've quoted it with an air of pretentiousness. "Did you really just say 10th is lower midtable?!" Jesus wept. Talk about missing the actual point.
I'd rather just leave it there. Completely clogging a thread over a ramble, if you really want to talk to me, PMs are open, I have twitter etc, cause I genuinely can't be fucked with these forum spats. There's replying to someone for a genuine interaction, and then there's goading.
Yippee, friends again.
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If we spent 200k on a 33-year-old striker in Godden, that's worse than any deal for Ahadme. I'm also doubtful we paid that much for Mitchell, he wasn't signing a new contract at Millwall.CL_Phantom said:Chunes said:
Yeah it was but not sure the maths adds up there. Otherwise there should be a lot of the May money still sat in the bank.MartinCAFC said:
Pretty sure it's been put on a thread recently that we didn't pay the bulk of the Ahadme fee up front it was around £325k or so with the rest in add-ons and a promotion bonus? though stand to be corrected.Weegie Addick said:And the bulk of that £1.2M (though hopefully not quite all of it) went on signing and paying Ahadme.It was clearly stated at start of season that the minimum aim was play offs so I don’t think “top ten” is much of an improvement.Fans showed a lot of commitment in buying STs this season. Going to be a lot needed to convince most to renew. A good window and positive second half of season will be vital to that - especially if we’re facing yet another (sixth in a row?) season in L1.
Doesnt it?
We brought in 5 players on transfer fees in the summer, lets be generous with some of those figures:
Ahadme 300K
Godden 200K
Mitchell 200k
Edwards 85K (a reported figure from Scotland)
Dixon 50K
Thats 835K before adding in Docherty and Mannion's signing on fees as well as any potential loan fee for Campbell.*
And seeing as theres a desperation for Ahadme to have actually cost us 800K up front then theres even less left, like, none.
And if Godden and Mitchell cost us 100K each then at most theres 500K left from the May money, but thats being generous and not including wages.
* And of course the unforgettable Potts and Hylton (I believe an itk was on here saying the delay around Potts coming in was because he had some high wage expectations)
Isn't the desperation for Gassan to cost LESS because of how poor he's been? I don't reckon we spent 800k on him, my guess would be closer to 500 upfront. The idea we didn't pay a decent upfront fee is doubtful, in my view. If he'd been good then there wouldn't even be a discussion about him not costing much.
I might be wrong but think I recall when we signed him, there was a post by someone who spends time at the training ground about how excited the club were to get him.
Getting into what % of the transfer budget was shifted into wages is really wading into the woods. Who's to comment either way.2 -
Fortunately I don’t think it’s something we need to concern ourselves with.fenaddick said:Expect this to be a mega unpopular opinion but I don’t want to be spending £3m on one player in L1 and especially not in January. It isn’t sustainable and what happens if they only make playoffs and then don’t go up? Do they spend another £3m in the next window? It just makes me think of Will Grigg2 -
We aren't going to finish 5th! We've just won 3 games in a row, drawn the last, unbeaten in what, 6 games and yet here we are ... lofty 10th position!NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
You are trying to suggest something we've been very far off now for 5 years happening!
When it does, you can say something, but seriously, we are no better now than when this lot took over, except we've lost Dobson and CBT and lost about £15m in money to date!
Fab
I'll grab a beer and celebrate..... Again we are "only" doing better this season because of how badly we did last season !7 -
Alex Mitchell reckons we’ll get in the playoffs according to today’s article in the SLP.supaclive said:
We aren't going to finish 5th! We've just won 3 games in a row, drawn the last, unbeaten in what, 6 games and yet here we are ... lofty 10th position!NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
You are trying to suggest something we've been very far off now for 5 years happening!
When it does, you can say something, but seriously, we are no better now than when this lot took over, except we've lost Dobson and CBT and lost about £15m in money to date!
Fab
I'll grab a beer and celebrate..... Again we are "only" doing better this season because of how badly we did last season !4 -
Can hardly say any different really.Callumcafc said:
Alex Mitchell reckons we’ll get in the playoffs according to today’s article in the SLP.supaclive said:
We aren't going to finish 5th! We've just won 3 games in a row, drawn the last, unbeaten in what, 6 games and yet here we are ... lofty 10th position!NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
You are trying to suggest something we've been very far off now for 5 years happening!
When it does, you can say something, but seriously, we are no better now than when this lot took over, except we've lost Dobson and CBT and lost about £15m in money to date!
Fab
I'll grab a beer and celebrate..... Again we are "only" doing better this season because of how badly we did last season !
All the players have got to say that, imagine if they said we will finish about 10th.9 -
Alex Mitchell reckons we’ll get in the playoffs according to today’s article in the SLP.Not only, that but now we are in the 4th round of the cup draw.5
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Or he’s confident in his teammates, coaches and actually believes it?blackpool72 said:
Can hardly say any different really.Callumcafc said:
Alex Mitchell reckons we’ll get in the playoffs according to today’s article in the SLP.supaclive said:
We aren't going to finish 5th! We've just won 3 games in a row, drawn the last, unbeaten in what, 6 games and yet here we are ... lofty 10th position!NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
You are trying to suggest something we've been very far off now for 5 years happening!
When it does, you can say something, but seriously, we are no better now than when this lot took over, except we've lost Dobson and CBT and lost about £15m in money to date!
Fab
I'll grab a beer and celebrate..... Again we are "only" doing better this season because of how badly we did last season !
All the players have got to say that, imagine if they said we will finish about 10th.
As he points out in the article, he was at a club that was 15/16 points off it in January last season and were in the top six going into the last game of the season.
The gap we face, with games in hand, is small in comparison to that.4 -
NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
Wigan 20-21 finished 20th. The next season they won the league.
Plymouth 20-21 finishes 18th. Next season they narrowly missed play offs finishing 7th after jumping 11 places.
Oxford 22-23 finished 19th. Next season they were promoted.
Reading last season finished 17th. They are currently in a playoff spot despite being under an embargo.
In L2 last season Grimsby were 21th, Salford 20th, Notts County 14. They are currently 9, 3, 6 respectively
In L2 in 22-23, Crawley were 22nd, next season promoted. Donny were 18th, next season 5th.
There are tonnes of examples of clubs jumping 10+ places in a season in the lower leagues. It needs good recruitment, usually some money and a decent manager.
Having patience whilst the club loses £9.5M pa is a nice position for a fan to be in. I wonder if our owners share that.
Anyway, sorry for further detailing the "rumour!" Thread!
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Great...... not entirely sure why our centre half saying we'll make the play offs changes the fact we currently lie 10th?Callumcafc said:
Alex Mitchell reckons we’ll get in the playoffs according to today’s article in the SLP.supaclive said:
We aren't going to finish 5th! We've just won 3 games in a row, drawn the last, unbeaten in what, 6 games and yet here we are ... lofty 10th position!NabySarr said:
So if we finished 5th and didn’t go up that’s regression? We finished 16th last season! Sometimes it takes longer than 1 season to build something, especially when we aren’t a team throwing millions about.Braziliance said:
Classic nitpicking, I meant Oxford, that's why I said them first and then said Wycombe, probably could have worded it differently, either way, who gives a fuck. You probably know what I meant, It's all the same shit. It isn't promotion and that's that, it's all the same for me other than than the 3 sides who go up.fenaddick said:
Did you just suggest that 10th is "lower mid table"? Orient form is possibly unsustainable but if you're using it as justification they had a rubbish start and are now on a brilliant run which is exactly what we need to make playoffs anyway. Wycombe and Stockport will be interesting to watch with players they lose and new ones settling in.Braziliance said:
This is where I will have to agree to disagree with anyone on this subject.NabySarr said:
We haven’t replaced them individually with better players no, but are we a better team this season than last season? DefinitelyBraziliance said:
So being blunt mate, and not being rude, we haven't replaced them then in terms of quality?NabySarr said:
Docherty is Dobsons replacement. He’s not an upgrade but he has been replacedBraziliance said:Callumcafc said:
How does this tally with the discussion from the last couple of days? I hear we are rejecting bids for our players too… doesn’t seem like the owners are checked out to me.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-dont-need-player-outgoings-before-they-can-make-transfer-window-signings/We want 1 or 2 signings and they aren’t reliant on outgoings happening first.“We’re not going to do massive business in this window. What we want is in the final third. That is what we need.
“We are going to try and streamline the squad because there are a few here now that aren’t playing and aren’t getting the minutes."
Rejecting bids for your best players is what ambitious clubs are supposed to do. Fair enough they didn't cash in, but could they really afford to? They'd have been given pelters. They rejected Dobsons bid, and we still haven't replaced Dobson. We accepted a bid for CBT, didn't replace his qualities, sold May, didn't replace his goals and general attacking influence.
So far, this is playing exactly how every Charlton transfer window does. Admittedly we are only a third the way through almost, and most of the business is done late, but I'll be shocked if we show the same level of ambition other clubs look to be doing.
I will be surprised if we spend a decent fee on a player this window, it would be a very welcome surprise though.
We changed from 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 when CBT was sold. So you were never going to get a direct replacement. We did also sign Small who had similar qualities in getting us up the pitch with pace
May was replaced by Godden. Again not an upgrade but we have still replaced all 3 players.The argument will be that the 1.2m or whatever it is we raised from May and CBT has been reinvested and leaves us with a better team/squad. If we finish in the top 10 then it’s hard to argue that we haven’t improved despite the sales
If we can shift a couple of players we don’t want and add a couple of good attacking players then that is a good window for me
Docherty so far has definitely been a downgrade on what Dobson offered, we have really missed a player with that engine and passing range.
Agreed there was a formation switch, but CBT scored 9 goals and got 6 assists for us last season and he left in January! I can't see anyone getting those numbers for the rest of the season even, except maybe Miles? Who is on 4 goals 2 assists. So another player not really replaced in terms of impact. Closest match is Tyreece who is still learning.
I can't even talk about May and Godden anymore, Godden seems a good bloke and I don't want to slander him but it's chalk and cheese.
It's sad that that's what it's come to. Top10 is seen as decent. Even myself the other day was thinking a narrow play off miss with an improved squad would be ok, but when you break it all down, it's woeful.
We finished 16th last season, obviously the main fault lies with Mr Scott for that (and he shouldn’t still be here), but improving from 16th to top 6 is a huge jump. I obviously hoped we could get top 6 and was quite confident, but if we make progress this season and miss out, for me that’s still a positive that we can build on next season to be challenging
We just need to be patient, unless you’ve got shitloads of money, jumping from 16th to top 6 is not easy. We’ve had years of not making progress and going backwards, we are now finally turning the ship around and look like having a season where we actually make some progress
I don't expect anyone to finish above Birmingham. But no other team had a real advantage over us. I do believe going from lower mid-table to top6 is possible with the right people in charge. Oxford from 19th to 5th, Wycombe 10th to currently 2nd.
3 newly promoted sides and Leyton Orient currently sit above us. The only side of those 4 who finished higher than us last season was The O's. Would any of us been happy with Orient being above us half way through the season or expected it? I think they were in the running for relegation at the start of the season. Barnsley went 5 games without winning and still firmly sit in the top6. We won 2 in 10 and are now a few wins strung together away from top6 ourselves. Readings owner despises them and they sit 6th.
This league is a fkn joke. 16th, 7th, 20th, all land you in the same place, a league1 team the next season. They said top6, they said we had the 4th highest budget, show it. Sign some quality. We do have shit loads of money, allegedly.
Anyway I'm clogging the thread with 0 rumours so apologies. But these lot need to pull a finger out and get lively. We know we have been weak from week 3. There should have been plans in place the second this window opened. Let's hope they show some ambition.
The thing that gives me hope is (in part due to NJ's defensive set up) that no team we've played has looked incredible and unbeatable.
All the rest is regression for this club.Wycombe and Oxford are poor examples, bar one season for Oxford, they have both been consistently in the top 10/play offs for years. Both are well run clubs and have been for a while. Making the jump from there to promotion contention is completely different to our situation. You can’t compare that to a team that has been a declining disaster on and off the field for years, it’s just sillyWhy is the modern football fan so demanding and impatient? Lose a few games let’s sack the manager, why aren’t the owners spending millions, why haven’t we gone from 16th to top of the league in 1 window etc. Need to have some patience and realism
You are trying to suggest something we've been very far off now for 5 years happening!
When it does, you can say something, but seriously, we are no better now than when this lot took over, except we've lost Dobson and CBT and lost about £15m in money to date!
Fab
I'll grab a beer and celebrate..... Again we are "only" doing better this season because of how badly we did last season !1
